What scares you more? - Page 2

[attachedmamaof3]

Reading the package inserts to the vaccines, I realized that the safety trials were not against a true placebo, and the participants were followed for a relatively short period of time.

Clearly, because multiple doses and boosters are required. There's obviously a missing link and 'science' hasn't caught up with it yet.

In addition, introducing viral and bacterial particles/toxins into the body is circumventing the body's natural defenses. Doesn't seem like a particularly intelligent thing to do

[Spy]

Not scared. Just choosing to live with one risk instead of two, it's a no brainer.
And it's not specific ingredients, it's the whole idea of 'improving' something we don't know nearly enough about that I disagree with. Ingredients kind of logically follow.

[Fyrestorm]

Considering that I have had to take the risk of having both the vaccines and the diseases...I would have to say the vaccines...Why play Russian Roulette twice?

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by Spy

Not scared. Just choosing to live with one risk instead of two, it's a no brainer.
And it's not specific ingredients, it's the whole idea of 'improving' something we don't know nearly enough about that I disagree with. Ingredients kind of logically follow.

Perfect explanation!!!

[prancie]

If vaccines scare/concern you more, why?
If vaccines scare/concern you more, what do you do to protect your child against a VPD?
What particular ingredients, etc., scare/concern you the most about a vaccine?
What led you to your decision to not vax?

Vaccines concern me more because to vaccinate would be to intentionally inject known and unknown posions into my child's body against the off-chance that they will contract and illness AND have lasting health problems from that illness.

I will breastfeed for as long as possible and keep my child healthy through diet and healthy living. I do not fear VPDs because it's like fearing that you will have a car wreck. If you worry about it all the time you will be paralyzed. Except that a car wreck is probably worse than a VPD.

Aluminum, formaldahyde, mercury...contaminants....genetic material from humans/animals, unknown proprietary ingredients.

I chose not to vax because I believe that the human immune system works. I do not believe that over the long run it is good to try to alter/affect the way we naturally fight and/or prevent disease. Drugs for acute illnesses are one thing...but vaccines have not had to stand the test of time yet. I do not wish for my child to be a casualty in this grand experiment.

[cortsmommy]

The only thing that scares me in this world is the thought of losing my personal freedom. I want to be free to make the medical choices for myself and my child that I feel most comfortable with. That should be no one's choice but my own.

[prancie]

Originally Posted by Spy

Not scared. Just choosing to live with one risk instead of two, it's a no brainer.
And it's not specific ingredients, it's the whole idea of 'improving' something we don't know nearly enough about that I disagree with. Ingredients kind of logically follow.

[huggerwocky]

Originally Posted by mykdsmomy

Maybe I'm looking at it in a more black and white sort of way but why would someone get a vaccine to prevent an illness they werent scared of?

to prevent useless pain and suffering?

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by huggerwocky

to prevent useless pain and suffering?

see and I could say the exact same thing about not getting vaccines. I'm trying to prevent pain and suffering that vaccines can cause.....

[attachedmamaof3]

Originally Posted by huggerwocky

to prevent useless pain and suffering?

So, are you saying that only un-vaccinated children catch VPD's? That vaccines work 100% of the time? Do you believe that vaccines can cause severe reactions or side effects? If so, would you consider those reactions/side effects to be useless or just a risk worth taking?

[delphiniumpansy]

If VPDs scare/concern you more, why? Because I have never met anyone who has had a serious vax reaction whereas I do know a lot of people who have had serious illnesses. Plus, the research points to vax reactions being much more rare than illness.

If VPDs scare/concern you more, do you vax for everything, or do you selectively/delay vax? We selective/delay vax because I am concerned about some ingredients.

If you selectively vax, how do you decide which ones to vax for (why some and not others)? I did research on the prevalence of the VPDs in my area and the likelihood of catching them and how serious they can be.

If you delay vax, then what do you do during the time when your child is not vaxed to protect him against the VPD? The VPDs we delay for are not serious for babies so it is fine to wait.
Baby is breastfed and not in daycare and mama eats mostly pretty healthy.

If you do certain things to protect your child against a VPD before you decide to vax (if you delay until 2 years old or something), then why do you think that those same things that you do to protect your child won't work as your child gets older? I do not believe that keeping my child out of daycare and breastfeeding are 100% effective in keeping my child illness free. They are just beneficial and we are lucky to be able to live that lifestyle. Because the VPDs we delay for are more serious the older you get, delaying is not a big issue as we will do them before school age or shortly thereafter.

What led you to your decision to vax? I started out following the herd but then found this forum. I lurked for a long time, reading and reading. Initially, I was afraid to vax but the more I researched and spoke with science-types and doctor-types of all creeds, the more I became comfortable with it.

[Trillian]

Originally Posted by Spy

Just choosing to live with one risk instead of two, it's a no brainer.

Unless the sum of two small risks is less than the one larger risk.

[Proverbs31]

If vaccines scare/concern you more, why?The vaccines scare me more because (to me) they are more unpredictable. VADs have been around a lot longer and complications are preventable. Vaxes are still very new in comparison, and we really don't know what the long-term effects on the body will be; by long-term I mean longer that 20 or 30 years.

If vaccines scare/concern you more, what do you do to protect your child against a VPD?The childhood viruses I'm not too concerned about. The others are preventable with good health, nutrition and hygiene. All in all, I'm just grateful to live in a part of the world where medical treatment is readily available, should a VAD progress into something I can't handle.

What particular ingredients, etc., scare/concern you the most about a vaccine?The aluminum, formaldehyde, blood and tissue concern me...but ingredients really aren't a big part of why we stopped vaxing.

What led you to your decision to not vax?
One too many vaccine reactions and ds catching 2 of the VADs he was vaxed for. It just seems kind of pointless to risk another reaction for a vaccine that may or may not work. Plus with the CDC admitting that VADs are now rarer than vaccine reactions kind of cemented things for us.

[runes]

Originally Posted by huggerwocky

to prevent useless pain and suffering?

it's not entirely useless, unless you call lifelong immunity useless...

even a vax can't give you that. and even if you're vaxed, there's still a chance that a "VPD" can be contracted.

useless, indeed.

[delphiniumpansy]

Originally Posted by kidspiration

it's not entirely useless, unless you call lifelong immunity useless...

even a vax can't give you that. and even if you're vaxed, there's still a chance that a "VPD" can be contracted.

useless, indeed.

or it could kill you, the illness that is.

Where is the research showing that you get lifelong immunity when you have a disease naturally? I've had CP twice.

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy

or it could kill you, the illness that is.

Where is the research showing that you get lifelong immunity when you have a disease naturally? I've had CP twice.

Vaccines can kill and people that get the chicken pox vax can get cp too....so I'd rather my kids just get chicken pox without the added bonus of extra junk injected into them....

[amydep]

And vaccines don't kill?

[amydep]

Originally Posted by mykdsmomy

Vaccines can kill and people that get the chicken pox vax can get cp too....so I'd rather my kids just get chicken pox without the added bonus of extra junk injected into them....

And those lucky little toddlers who are now getting shingles - all thanks to the chicken pox vaccine.

[runes]

Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy

or it could kill you, the illness that is.

Where is the research showing that you get lifelong immunity when you have a disease naturally? I've had CP twice.

wow, that sucks. and yet, you're still alive.

that is quite rare. do your titres show immunity?

given your experience, are you going to vaccinate your children for it?

why or why not?

[delphiniumpansy]

I need to have my titers checked. Don't know why I have not done that. Thanks for the reminder.

Just talking to naturopath about how CP is not the worst VPD but it is so rare kids don't get it much. And, shingles can be serious in teens and adults. She is concerned about her own kids and researching the vax. They are unvaxed for that but vaxed for other things. We will delay for now. We will address issue when they are older and see where science is at that time.

My friend had a very serious case of it at 10 and her baby bro was hospitalized. So, I do know how serious it can be, on rare occasions. For my bro and I, it was just plain annoying both times but not serious. I am sure it was worse for our mother to keep us in calomine lotion as much as possible and keep us from scratching.

Do you remember, as kids, comparing CP scars?