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post #1 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:43pm
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of the adult male penis?

dh and i are arguing about this, lol. He says his penis wouldnt be any larger if he was intact, and i disagree..

oh and no worries, this is not a "you suck, your penis is small" kind of thing, its just a conversation between us, lol, so no hard feelings at all, but i cant see how it could NOT effect the size...

the convo came about because you know how theres a stereotype about black men having larger penises? Well i also noticed from research that black men are less likely to be circumcised, so there has to be SOME kind of connection, right? (yes, i know, its a total stereotype, and no, i have never been with a black man, but even if i had, its not like i'd have a representative sample, lol)
post #2 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:45pm
Um. I don't think circ'ing affects penis size. And I'm not sure what black men have to do with your question.
post #3 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:50pm
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it doesnt have anything to do with the question-- i was just stating how the conversation came about-- i was researching last night like US celebrities who are intact, and came across a lot of black men who are intact, and then read how the circ rate among african americans is lower, and thought there had to be some sort of connection... its not relevant, i just didnt want it to seem like i went up to my husband and said "you know, your penis would be larger if you werent circ'd" lol..
post #4 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:54pm
I would think that cutting off half of the skin would affect the size. I can't imagine that it doesn't. There are also problems that would make it seem even smaller. EG Buried penis, etc. can't think right now. But that's my 2 cents.
post #5 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:55pm
Here is what I think:

If the man has slack skin upon erection, then no, his penis size was probably not effected.

If the man has no slack skin upon erection, the skin is so tight his testicles are pulled as well, then yes, penis size is probably effected. (not enough room for erectile tissue to fully expand)

As for black men- I have wondered the same thing. Most black men are not circ'ed, and that stereotype does exisit. Though I have found research of mandatory circ of black infant males, so....??? But, I've thought about it, too.
post #6 of 27
12/21/07 at 6:55pm
Yes, it does. First, it would be longer if it had a foreskin going past the glans in a flacid state. Babies that are circed look like they have little stumps, intact babies look a normal length. Second, many men notice after restoring that it gets longer when erect because of the extra skin. Before, it strained and pulled skin/hair from the body, but with the new foreskin it has a chance to reach the full potential. Probably not in ALL cases, especially with loose circs. Is this what you mean? Oh, and a pediatrician once told me that black babies do have the biggest penises and Asian babies have the smallest ones (in general, obviously not all, and this was just her observation of years of looking at babies). So I doubt the stereotype has to do with intact/circed.
post #7 of 27
12/21/07 at 7:02pm
Where are you all getting the data that most black men aren't circ'd???

In the US the majority of black men are circ'ed. In the Caribbean and Latin America however, most black men aren't circ'd. In Africa, 67 percent of men are circ'd.

Anyway, I don't think circumcision affects length,aside from causing buried or trapped penis, but I do think it can take away from girth.
post #8 of 27
12/21/07 at 7:25pm
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Where are you all getting the data that most black men aren't circ'd???

In the US the majority of black men aren't circ'ed. In the Caribbean and Latin America however, most black men aren't circ'd. In Africa, 67 percent of men are circ'd.
Sorry Papai! I was going by American stats. I don't think circ has anything to do with black/asian/caucasion/latino size on average, but the thought crossed my mind... for a few seconds.
post #9 of 27
12/21/07 at 7:26pm
Stereotypes about the size of black men's penises have nothing to do with circumcision and everything to do with the insidious way that black male sexuality has been depicted in a brutally racist society.

I don't think this issue has any place in a discussion about genital mutilation, UNLESS that stereotype was somehow being manipulated by health organizations to justify the mass cutting of populations of color throughout the world.
post #10 of 27
12/21/07 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by elspethshimon View Post
Stereotypes about the size of black men's penises have nothing to do with circumcision and everything to do with the insidious way that black male sexuality has been depicted in a brutally racist society.

I don't think this issue has any place in a discussion about genital mutilation, UNLESS that stereotype was somehow being manipulated by health organizations to justify the mass cutting of populations of color throughout the world.
I've never considered that the stereotype of black men having larger penises was a bad thing... its just a stereotype i have heard throughout my life, many times from black women...

I wasnt trying to offend anyone, i was simply stating that this stereotype MIGHT have something to do with the fact that in the US, it seems as though black men are less likely to be circ'd than other groups of people. I wasnt trying to state anything as fact, as I have no facts, it was just something I came across that made me wonder. Again, i had no intention of offending anyone.
post #11 of 27
12/21/07 at 8:31pm
Maybe infant circ would reduce blood flow and thus the penis would not grow to its full potential b/c of the reduced nutrition?
post #12 of 27
12/21/07 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by thixle View Post
Sorry Papai! I was going by American stats. I don't think circ has anything to do with black/asian/caucasion/latino size on average, but the thought crossed my mind... for a few seconds.
I made a typo. From my experiences with most black Americans, circumcision is a norm in the black community.

I tried doing some intactivism on a message board with a black majority and was meant with fierce pro-circ rhetoric.
post #13 of 27
12/21/07 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by AGierald View Post
I've never considered that the stereotype of black men having larger penises was a bad thing... its just a stereotype i have heard throughout my life, many times from black women...

I wasnt trying to offend anyone, i was simply stating that this stereotype MIGHT have something to do with the fact that in the US, it seems as though black men are less likely to be circ'd than other groups of people. I wasnt trying to state anything as fact, as I have no facts, it was just something I came across that made me wonder. Again, i had no intention of offending anyone.

Actually, from all appearances, black men are just as likely white men to be circumcised. Only Asian, Native American and Latino men are less likely to be circ'd. But circumcision in the black and white community is prevalent. Sadly.
post #14 of 27
12/21/07 at 8:55pm
not to sound gross but I have only seen one other baby penis and it was very tiny compared to my son so either he is hung like a 4 year old or this kid was just real small. lol
post #15 of 27
12/21/07 at 9:10pm
It could if it is a tight or "overaggressive" circ, esp. if it results in buried/trapped penis. In the "average" circ (whatever that is), probably not much. However, it is safe to say circ would certainly never do anything to enhance size; it's a reductive surgery.
post #16 of 27
12/21/07 at 9:19pm
There was a study that did show that on avg the intact penis is 3/8 inch longer than the circed one. So yes circ can affect penis size.
post #17 of 27
12/21/07 at 9:32pm
from what i have read the circumcised penis is shorter and thinner than an intact one.here are links for more information.

The restoration effort takes two years or more. The 20,000 specialized stretch receptors, the frenar artery and other specialized structures amputated by circumcision cannot be recovered, and it is not known if the average 12% loss of glans volume on erection typical of circumcised males (due to loss of normal circulation) can be recovered


http://www.newscientist.com/article/...h-feeling.html


http://www.boystoo.com/faq.htm

Does circumcision affect penis size? A recent article found that the mean penis erect length was 16cm, i.e., about 6 3/8 inches. It further found that the average erect penis length in circumcised men was 3/8" shorter than in normal men, viz:- Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. "Are condoms the right size(s)? a method for self-measurement of the erect penis." Venereology 1995; 8(2):77-81
post #18 of 27
12/21/07 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by tlh View Post

Does circumcision affect penis size? A recent article found that the mean penis erect length was 16cm, i.e., about 6 3/8 inches. It further found that the average erect penis length in circumcised men was 3/8" shorter than in normal men, viz:- Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. "Are condoms the right size(s)? a method for self-measurement of the erect penis." Venereology 1995; 8(2):77-81
This all makes perfect sense. If the circumcision is tight, it will not have enough skin to get to a larger erect state....as for as girth, you are skinning it...so you are loosing A LOT of circumference.
post #19 of 27
12/21/07 at 10:34pm
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post #20 of 27
12/21/07 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by tlh View Post
Does circumcision affect penis size? A recent article found that the mean penis erect length was 16cm, i.e., about 6 3/8 inches. It further found that the average erect penis length in circumcised men was 3/8" shorter than in normal men, viz:- Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. "Are condoms the right size(s)? a method for self-measurement of the erect penis." Venereology 1995; 8(2):77-81
I love how he worded that, by saying "normal" for intact.
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