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post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by elspethshimon View Post
Stereotypes about the size of black men's penises have nothing to do with circumcision and everything to do with the insidious way that black male sexuality has been depicted in a brutally racist society.

I don't think this issue has any place in a discussion about genital mutilation, UNLESS that stereotype was somehow being manipulated by health organizations to justify the mass cutting of populations of color throughout the world.
Actually, look up the Tuskegee study. Frederick Hodges references this:

"The U.S. military had a tremendous effect on the circumcision rates in this country. During World War I and World War II, the army kept very detailed statistics on venereal disease. Venereal disease was considered a grave problem because it kept men in the hospitals rather than on the battlefront.

"Military doctors published reports proving that Blacks were responsible for the spread of venereal disease and so Blacks were targeted for circumcision. Many- frankly- very racist articles were written about Blacks in medical journals that were published by the Army showing why Blacks were so promiscuous; how they were unable to be taught how to wash themselves; how they couldn't be trusted to learn to protect themselves during sex; and that amputative surgery was the only way of controlling them.

"And when they returned home after the war, they became indoctrinated into the belief that circumcision was necessary. And when their children were born and the doctors began circumcising them automatically, parents didn't object! They didn't have a choice, but they didn't object because they had been told that it was absolutely necessary."



Here are a couple quotes from "The Abuse of Man", Wolfgang Weyers, M.D. talking about "The Tuskegee Study". (There is plenty more where this came from.)

In letters explaining the proposed study, however, Clark emphasized the “rather low intelligence of the Negro population,” the “very common promiscuous sex relations of this population group,” and the “prevailing indifference with regard to treatment.” Joseph Moore, who had called the Oslo study “a never-to-be-repeated human experiment,” endorsed Clark’s proposal, arguing that “syphilis in the negro is in many respects almost a different disease from syphilis in the white.” Clark’s lieutenant, Oliver C. Wenger of the Public Health Service stationed in Hot Springs, Arkansas, advised that “...this study will emphasize these differences.” [Reverby SM (ed.). Tuskegee’s Truths;20.]

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Originally, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study was scheduled to last for six to twelve months. During that time, black males between the ages of 25 and 60 were to be recruited and screened l for late-stage syphilis by means of the Wassermann test. Joseph Moore cautioned that this test was neither specific nor very sensitive in detecting latent syphilis. He acknowledged, however, that for diagnosis of latent syphilis in subjects with a negative test, “a mere history of a penile sore only would not be adequate, inasmuch as the average Negro has had as many penile sores as rabbits have offspring.” [Reverby SM (ed.) Tuskegee’s Truths;78.]

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When recruiting the control group for the Tuskegee Study in 1933, Heller found it necessary to continue the policy of deceit, eliciting cooperation {p. 490} of the healthy subjects by distributing noneffective drugs to them. [Jones JH. Bad Blood;141.] Control groups who eventually acquired syphilis themselves simply were transferred to the test group, a chocking violation of standard procedures in research. [Diebert AV, Bruyere MC. Untreated syphilis in the male Negro, III. Venereal Disease Information 1946;27:301-14.]

post #22 of 27
OF COURSE circ results in a smaller penis. You cut off part of something - anything - and you end up with less. Duh.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin_Blythe View Post
not to sound gross but I have only seen one other baby penis and it was very tiny compared to my son so either he is hung like a 4 year old or this kid was just real small. lol

There is a little boy the same as my guy in daycare who seems to always be getting changed when we arrive. His seems tiny and sucked in, I presume it's buried and honestly I can't tell if it's circ'ed (think it is) but the way it is it almost looks like you'd have to use a squirty bottle to make sure you get everything out, where as my guy is free and easy. I am not bold enough to ask the carers if he is circ'ed. I would hate to admit I am looking!
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Nathan1097 View Post
Actually, look up the Tuskegee study. Frederick Hodges references this:

"The U.S. military had a tremendous effect on the circumcision rates in this country. During World War I and World War II, the army kept very detailed statistics on venereal disease. Venereal disease was considered a grave problem because it kept men in the hospitals rather than on the battlefront.

"Military doctors published reports proving that Blacks were responsible for the spread of venereal disease and so Blacks were targeted for circumcision. Many- frankly- very racist articles were written about Blacks in medical journals that were published by the Army showing why Blacks were so promiscuous; how they were unable to be taught how to wash themselves; how they couldn't be trusted to learn to protect themselves during sex; and that amputative surgery was the only way of controlling them.

"And when they returned home after the war, they became indoctrinated into the belief that circumcision was necessary. And when their children were born and the doctors began circumcising them automatically, parents didn't object! They didn't have a choice, but they didn't object because they had been told that it was absolutely necessary."
Can you give me more info/ links about this specifically? I know a black couple that are adamant about having their son circ'ed. I don't even know if they will read the info, but I feel like I am doing a disservice to them and their son if I don't try. I almost feel like saying they are "formerly" my friends- I've lost a lot of repect for them tonight.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ann-Marita View Post
OF COURSE circ results in a smaller penis. You cut off part of something - anything - and you end up with less. Duh.
Thats what I was thinking. My circ'd ds is considerably smaller than my other two intact ds's.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by thixle View Post
Can you give me more info/ links about this specifically? I know a black couple that are adamant about having their son circ'ed. I don't even know if they will read the info, but I feel like I am doing a disservice to them and their son if I don't try. I almost feel like saying they are "formerly" my friends- I've lost a lot of repect for them tonight.
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1894 Remondino says circumcising Blacks prevents them from raping white women.

*Remondino PC. "Negro Rapes and their Social Problems" National Popular Review 1894 Jan;4(1):3-6

http://www.icgi.org/medicalization/

Thats an awful stigma to mark someone with!
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by fruitful womb View Post
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1894 Remondino says circumcising Blacks prevents them from raping white women.

*Remondino PC. "Negro Rapes and their Social Problems" National Popular Review 1894 Jan;4(1):3-6

http://www.icgi.org/medicalization/

Thats an awful stigma to mark someone with!
Yes- and the Tuskegee study I referenced (and indirectly quoted) in my above post was done during the "Circ prevents STDS" era. So circ is FULL of racial issues.
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