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post #1 of 12
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Okay, so prior to recently I just went along with getting a pap every year. I think it started when I was a teenager, my mom said you have to have an "annual" every year and I said okay, and that was that. And every pap has been normal.

But honestly I have NO IDEA what they're for, what a provider can tell from it, what are the pros/cons of having one, etc.
post #2 of 12
It's mostly a screening for cervical cancer. ACOG now says if you're over 30 (you know, ancient by their standards) and haven't had a bad pap in 10 years, you can go every 3 years instead of every one. I have also factored in the fact that 80% of cervical cancer cases are caused by HPV, which I don't have, and I also don't have multiple sex partners. I haven't had one in more than 3 years. I suppose I'll go back eventually. Mostly I haven't because I don't have anyone to do it. The idea of shopping for someone makes me tired.
post #3 of 12
A pap smear collects cells from the inner and outer portions of your cervix and it is a screening test for cervical cancer. The former recommendation was a pap every year, but we now know that cervical cancer is caused by the HPV virus (HPV is isolated from over 99% of all cervical cancer pathology specs). HPV is sexually transmitted, so screening is now based on risk.

The current recommendations are for all sexually active women under the age of 30 to have a pap every year. If you are over 30, HPV negative (by testing), and have a history of normal paps you can stretch the screening out to every 3 years. I still recommend yearly paps for patients over 30 who have multiple partners or partners with other partners.

Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.
post #4 of 12
A pap smear only screens for cervical cancer and pre-cancerous cervical changes called dysplasia. It does not test for anything else - STDs, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, any benign changes of the female genital tract.

During an exam, providers sometimes do other tests - like testing for STDs, or an exam to feel the size of the ovaries and uterus, but there is no standard exam that every provider will be doing, so you'd want to ask what else they are doing.

Pap smears are screening tests, not diagnostic tests. Most screening tests are designed to be overly sensitive. That is, you want the test to hopefully pick up as many people as possible that have the disease, so you accept some false positives in exchange for not having many false negatives. So, if a pap is abnormal, usually other testing is recommended, often colposcopy. colposcopy is a test where the provider looks at the cervix under magnification and paints the cervix with vinegar which makes abnormal cells more apparent. If abnormal areas are seen, they can then be biopsied, which is diagnositic (not a screening test - the biopsy gives a definite diagnosis.)

Almost all cervical cancers and pre-cancerous changes are caused by HPV. HPV in one strain or another is carried by 80% of the adult population, but the majority of those folks do not, of course, get cervical cancer. For most people, HPV is a short lived infection that the body naturally fights off. For some, certain strains (70% of cervical cancer is linked to 2 particular strains) cause pre-cancerous cervical cell changes which can eventually lead to cervical cancer. 11,000 new cases were found in the US in 2007, and there were 3670 deaths according to the National Cancer Institute - whichi s a huge decrease since pap smear screening started when cervical cancer was among the leading causes of cancer death in women. Cervical cancer is very curable when caught early, and when the most severe type of pre-cancerous changes are found (severe dysplasia) there are treatments that spare fertility. The majority of new cases of invasive or advanced cervical cancer occur in women who have not had pap screening in the last 5 years.

There are several current recommendations on how often pap screening should occur. Most now say something along the lines of starting pap screening at age 21 or within 3 years of becoming sexually active, whichever comes first, pap screening every 1 year from age 21-29, or every 2 years with liquid based paps, and every 2-3 years thereafter until age 65, when pap screening can stop if there is no history of cancer and no change in sexual partner.

Keep in mind that the guidelines are taking into account the chance that a woman will encounter HPV in her lifetime. If you have no change in partner and no history of HPV or abnormal pap smears after 3 years, your chance of getting cervical cancer is practically zero. That is something an individual woman can use in making her decision on pap screening, but as a health care provider I continue to offer paps based on guidelines (I don't have an accurate way of knowing that every woman I see is truthful or wants to share her sexual history, and I especially have no way of knowing her partner(s) sexual history.) Therefore, I offer based on the current guidelines, with the above explanation, but I'm not a fan of refusing other care, like birth control, or whatever, if the woman declines pap testing.
post #5 of 12
Awesome explanation- thank you doc!
post #6 of 12
DoctorJen......Do you know how much I wish I could have YOU as my doctor
post #7 of 12
wow! what great info!
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by trimestersdoula View Post
DoctorJen......Do you know how much I wish I could have YOU as my doctor
Me too... The OB that oversees my midwives (I've never even met him!) left a note in my chart at my last prenatal visit saying that if I did not get a pap smear and pelvic exam at my next visit I'd have to find new care providers. : Which wouldn't be that big of a deal if there WERE other decent providers in my area. Sigh..

Thank you for the info!
post #9 of 12
^^^^Yup, I had an OB tell me that when I got pregnant if I didn't want to have a pap or didn't want to do ALL and I mean *ALL* of the prenatal testing and screening that she would recommend for me then she would not care for me. Well, she made my decision to UP/UC MUCH easier!
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by trimestersdoula View Post
^^^^Yup, I had an OB tell me that when I got pregnant if I didn't want to have a pap or didn't want to do ALL and I mean *ALL* of the prenatal testing and screening that she would recommend for me then she would not care for me. Well, she made my decision to UP/UC MUCH easier!
Wow, that's ridiculous! : I was so mad when the OB practice I went to for part of my 2nd pg kept pushing me to do genetic testing because dh was 40 (I was only 22). The one OB asked me several times, as though I didn't understand that I was very likely carrying a "broken" baby. Ds was/is just fine TYVM. I wanted to enjoy my pregnancy, not stress over waiting for test results and risking false positives.

Because of the lack of respect for my choices and my body, I ended up leaving that practice and finding a wonderful DEM instead so at least it was a catalyst for change.
post #11 of 12
Oh, yes, this is one of the reasons why I love, love my gynecologist. He's very homeopathic/holistic. He always asks me if I want to do a pap, and has explained to me that my risks are very low, i.e. I have only ever had one partner, and he's the man with whom I'm having a baby and plan to spend my life with. Said partner always tested for STD's prior to engaging in sex with women. So, the risk is minimal.

And I love how, now that I'm pregnant, I can go to him with any problem, and he won't pull out any "standard" routines of what "we must do."

Unfortunately, he will also be retiring next year.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
A friend of mine is searching for a new provider because her current provider (who she's seen for 3 pregnancies now) told her she needed a pap because "you never know what your husband is doing behind your back."

She called around and everyone said the same thing except one CNM -- she said, "I have to do it because I'm required to by this office," and my friend appreciated that response more. At least it's the truth and not some kind of scare tactic. Le sigh.

I had no idea what drama paps are -- with my last pregnancy my mw offered me a pap, I said no, and that was the end of it.
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