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post #21 of 51
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
So really, what is TIVO? And how does it differ from Cable or Satilite. We all decided tonight we would like more variety. Dh doesn't have a clue about all of this. Who would I call? My cable company? How much does TIVO cost Vs a large cable package?
As far as I understand, TIVO is just a brand of DVR/service. Like "Puffs" is a brand of tissue. Our cable company provides and maintains our DVR for a small rental charge. They upgrad the technology, fix/exchange if it has a problem. But, it has the limited capacity, as I mentioned. You could try your local cable company's product and then decide if you want to purchase a DVR separately. Then, you'd need an extra converter box from the cable company, instead of the DVR (cheaper rental, upfront cost to purchase). And you'd have to shop/choose a DVR yourself.

Satellite?? I have no idea.

DVR is the best thing since sliced bread.

HTH,
Pat
post #22 of 51
Tivo is not the same as the cable company DVR. www.tivo.com We have had both and the cabel company dvr's do not compare to Tivo. Tivo all the way.
post #23 of 51
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
So really, what is TIVO? And how does it differ from Cable or Satilite. We all decided tonight we would like more variety. Dh doesn't have a clue about all of this. Who would I call? My cable company? How much does TIVO cost Vs a large cable package?
We have Directv and Tivo (when we bought our receiver, Directv and Tivo had an agreement, but now that's over.) Tivo is one provider of DVR hardware/service. We bought the DVR device, and pay $5 a month for Tivo service in addition to what we pay to have satellite service.

DVR stands for digital video recorder. What they do is record shows based on criteria you give it-- it can be anything from "record channel X from 9-10pm" to "record all new episodes of Desperate Housewives" to "record all shows with the keyword Egypt". Because the hardware only works if it knows what's going to be on, you need to pay for a service in addition buying or renting the hardware.

Our DVR records about 30 hours, and it's been plenty for us. But I like having the available shows turnover, so the kids don't fall into watching the same thing over and over again.

HTH!

ZM
post #24 of 51
We've had cable, satellite, and never had anything parentally blocked. We talked about the different channels w/ the kids when they were little to help them know which things they'd be viewing when they went there and which things they'd most likely be into or want to steer clear of. It was helpful.

We've never had a DVR or Tivo but we'd like to. Who knows when, but it's likely.
post #25 of 51
We have a Direct TV system with DVR (not TIVO). It's really handy, especially for the repetitive times the dc want to watch Thomas or Angelina Ballerina. uke Or the times that Dh and I have to tape our shows because we're watching something that the kids like. So Mythbusters, No Reservations, or Alton Brown go on DVR because we get an East Coast feed (we're on the west coast) and would rather not have fight over living room TV watching (we have no den and the Direct TV service is only in the living room.)

I think it's great. The dc want to watch something on ABC Family? Fine. We'll record it and fast forward awful commercials. Plus, they are getting used to watching a program without obnoxious commercials, which is fine with me.
post #26 of 51
We have a TV in our bedroom, with the 2 available Israeli channels. We never watch it, because 1) there isn't much on 2) it doesn't occur to us to go to the bedroom to turn it on. We do watch DVDs and videos (I buy the kids videos at yard sales constantly, and rent maybe once a month) which I love because there is a PAUSE button. We had cable once when our rentors asked for it one summer, and when we returned it took 10 days to cancel. The kids fought over channels (girls are 7 years apart, so there wasn't much that was appropriate for both of them, not to mention the boy in the middle) and we could no longer go anywhere or eat meals because BUT MY PROGRAM WILL BE ON SOON! Not to mention my husband stayed up every night watching sports. NEVER AGAIN!!!
post #27 of 51
I will be the millionth person to heartily recommend TiVo. It's not just the "watch at your convenience" thing (although that is fabulous)---it changes the whole way you watch TV. No "flipping," no looking for something good. We watch 1 recorded show and then turn it off. My DD has grown up with 1 show per day and I don't think she yet has any clue that you can just turn the TV on and watch whatever. You watch your show, then you go do something else.

Not to mention that you can skip all the ads. And that I can watch an entire NFL game (my weakness) in about 1 hour as opposed to the three hours it broadcasts. Wonderful!
post #28 of 51
I would say don't get cable. We got a dish because my dh was tired of having to fiddle with the antenna constantly and we wanted to see the Olympics with no static. We kept the dish for two years ... my dh really liked getting the NFL Sunday Ticket to see all the Steelers games.

Eventually we realized how much money we were tossing down the drain for something that got watched about 3 hours a week when it wasn't football season.

For us, it didn't make sense economically.

Anecdotally, I know a family who used to not watch much tv at all. They got a dish so that they could have educational programming for their homeschooled kids. After about a year they realized that they were watching about 30-40 hours of tv a week and that their family evenings had become tv evenings. They eventually canceled the dish as well.

I would say, if you choose to get cable, make it a family discussion and try to arrive at guidelines that everyone can live with in terms of what will be watched and when. And then hold one another to those. I don't find that disrespectful or non-consensual at all. Holding up one's end of an agreement is not, to me, non-consensual. You can always renegotiate if necessary.

But, having been there, I wouldn't do it. I'd look into ways to getting Food Network programs from the library or online.

dm
post #29 of 51
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
Tivo is not the same as the cable company DVR. www.tivo.com We have had both and the cabel company dvr's do not compare to Tivo. Tivo all the way.

I read through some of the link and the "TIVO Advantage" chart, but couldn't find features which were significantly different than our local cable, except for the record to DVD aspect. That required some additional product though, as best I could discern. I am not technology savvy. So, maybe I missed something of which I don't understand the significance. What aspect of TIVO is the priority for your family over another generic DVR?

Do you do the Amazon or Yahoo or internet stuff with the TIVO? I'm not sure we'd do those. Maybe the Amazon Unbox movie rental...


Pat
post #30 of 51
We've had it and not had it. Currently we don't have it. There is no way on earth I'd have it again if we didn't also have dvr or Tivo. The extra expense to have crap piped into my house...? Somehow not justifiable to me. If more of it were worthwhile, I might think about it. JMHO.
post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by shroomama View Post
have dvr or Tivo. The extra expense to have crap piped into my house...? Somehow not justifiable to me. If more of it were worthwhile, I might think about it. JMHO.

I was really hoping we could avoid this 'tude and the snotty value judements as we talked about consensual living and a billion channels. Food Network is not crap. So there. :heart.

Anyway, we're getting it.
post #32 of 51
Okay. I'll be sure to be more clear when it's 3:24 in the morning... Food Network good. A lot of other stuff that has little, if any, redeeming value, maybe not so much. Consensual living or not, there is just so much on cable that reflects a society and values that are, to me, kind of sad or warped or whatever. There are enough bad things in the world, watching things that leave me with an empty, upset, sad, or rotten feeling just aren't for me. I've found that there is enough of it on network tv. Maybe I just don't have the armor I should to let it roll off... That's what I meant, do you disagree?

Snotty value judgements... That is honestly the first time in my LIFE that anyone has ever said that to me. I need to go have some coffee. And take my 'tude with me.
post #33 of 51
We have also had it and not had it. I found that even though we were not huge tv watchers, too much of our family time and productive time was sucked up by it, so we don't have it at all any more. It did make a huge pos difference in our lives. I also love food network and if I could just get 2-4 channels, we would probably do that and get food network, discovery, history channel and animal planet, but overall not worth it for us.....

ETA-I got what you meant shroomama. I am in agreement with your 'tudeless message
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by midwestmom View Post
We have also had it and not had it. I found that even though we were not huge tv watchers, too much of our family time and productive time was sucked up by it, so we don't have it at all any more. It did make a huge pos difference in our lives. I also love food network and if I could just get 2-4 channels, we would probably do that and get food network, discovery, history channel and animal planet, but overall not worth it for us.....

ETA-I got what you meant shroomama. I am in agreement with your 'tudeless message
Thanks. My sentences get too short that late at night. Thoughts aren't conveyed the way they should be. And yeah, what you said.

Um, I was really guilty of it eating my time too. But when Nip/Tuck is on and you don't have dvr... Sorry, Nip/Tuck wins, the dishes don't get done and life falls apart.
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by shroomama View Post
Okay. I'll be sure to be more clear when it's 3:24 in the morning... Food Network good. A lot of other stuff that has little, if any, redeeming value, maybe not so much. Consensual living or not, there is just so much on cable that reflects a society and values that are, to me, kind of sad or warped or whatever. There are enough bad things in the world, watching things that leave me with an empty, upset, sad, or rotten feeling just aren't for me. I've found that there is enough of it on network tv. Maybe I just don't have the armor I should to let it roll off... That's what I meant, do you disagree?

Snotty value judgements... That is honestly the first time in my LIFE that anyone has ever said that to me. I need to go have some coffee. And take my 'tude with me.

: Now now. I am sure you are a wonderful, open person. This thread was about consensual living and a billion channels. If I had asked folks opinions on whether they considered The Food Network or Steven Colbert crap or worth the price of cable, then you'd be golden. : Just saying don't- get- cable-I think- tv -is -crap is for another thread...it sounded snotty given my question. It goes without saying that there is plenty of crap on TV. Although one person's crap is another person's compost, am I right?

Is Food Netwrok and Nigella Lawson crap? Or Mythbusters, or The History Channel? Or Desperate Housewives? (I'm kidding on that-- I've never seen it, so I don't know if it is crap or not).

Of course, I also don't mind a little crap here and there. I've spent a few too many nights lately huddled under a quilt, drinking peppermind tea, and watching The Santa Clause 3 (The line "A woman gives him a baby" makes me cry, so you know *my* crap meter is off) with my kids to judge how other people like to spend some winter evenings.

And remember, I am part of the tiny minority MDC group who would not toss a Brats doll in the garbage if my kid wanted it. I'm nobody whose comments you need to worry about. (Is about a preposition?) Peace and love and all good things to you, girl. I mean that. :
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by shroomama View Post
Thanks. My sentences get too short that late at night. Thoughts aren't conveyed the way they should be. And yeah, what you said.

Um, I was really guilty of it eating my time too. But when Nip/Tuck is on and you don't have dvr... Sorry, Nip/Tuck wins, the dishes don't get done and life falls apart.
lol

Ok, but see? Why can't nip/tuck be a pleasure? Just enjoy nip/tuck, yk? Why beat yourself over it? WHy is there so much guilt involved in a litte R & R?
post #37 of 51
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Originally Posted by midwestmom View Post
We have also had it and not had it. I found that even though we were not huge tv watchers, too much of our family time and productive time was sucked up by it, so we don't have it at all any more. It did make a huge pos difference in our lives. I also love food network and if I could just get 2-4 channels, we would probably do that and get food network, discovery, history channel and animal planet, but overall not worth it for us.....

ETA-I got what you meant shroomama. I am in agreement with your 'tudeless message
Ok. Here I go again. Why do people let things like TV control them, and why the guilt about watching it? I have Netflix and so billions of recorded things at my fingertips. I don't choose TV over feeding the children. I don't choose TV over sledding in the snow or having sex with my dh. (Sometimes I've chosen MDC over playing CandyLand, I admit). Why is mere availability such a problem?

My question is about availability and Consensual Living. Is the 'mere availability' a problem. The posters I most often relate to, parenting style -wise, say it's not been a problem. But I respect other posters as well.

I am going to start a different thread asking people who do have a problem with TV and thier children to share there. I would really like to speparate these things out.

I am not asking if people think TV is crap.
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I'm nobody whose comments you need to worry about. (Is about a preposition?)
Yes, ending a sentence with a preposition might get you booted from Learning at Home and Beyond.

ETA: I don't believe we can control the tangents and opposing opinions on a thread. Once a thread is posted, it is not "owned" by the OP. Another's experience could influence or impact your decision making considerations. I'd find them information that one could regard or consider, or not. Others' opinions certainly do not impose upon another poster to act. We are all apt to share our alternative opinions on a public forum, aren't we?




Pat
post #39 of 51
Unfortunately, I do have a problem with it. Especially in the middle of winter. I get depressed and sit in front of the TV, letting everything else go to h-e double hockey sticks. It's an escape that is too readily available. And if I had a billion channels... That would just be bad.
post #40 of 51
We are not 100% Consensual Living, but we do lean toward "freedom of informed decision making" for most things. We don't limit TV much at all with 4.5 yr. old dd. If she wants to watch TV while dh is watching something creepy on SciFi, she'll ask him to change the channel so she doesn't have to look at all the monsters.

We have a LOT of conversations about how cartoons are made (i.e. drawings with voices of actors added), the concept of fiction vs. non-fiction, the idea that it's an actor's "job" to pretend to be sad, hurt, etc. and that when the "TV show makers" are done making the show, the actor goes home, eats dinner, maybe spends time with his/her family, etc.

If dd is watching Spongebob and "Drake & Josh" comes on afterward (which is more geared toward tweens) she'll say, "Can you change the channel? I don't think this is appropriate for me!"

FTR, we didn't make a black and white rule about what is "appropriate". She decided for herself that she doesn't like explosions, bleeding, yelling, or monsters. She also really doesn't like it when she hears jokes that she doesn't "get", so she doesn't like most sitcoms that are designed for older kids or adults.

She does like to watch Man Vs. Wild, How It's Made, Pet Star, Cleaning House and lots of cartoons. We've found that she's never been really "addicted" to TV. It's available when she wants it, just like the books that we have in the house, but I think because she knows that it IS so available, and fairly unlimited, she doesn't seem driven to watch as much as possible, as late at night as possible, as often as possible, etc.

The materialism does get to me sometimes, but when she asks for things she sees on TV we try to talk about why she feels it's important to have it. Sometimes it's really reasonable; it's a toy we know she'd like, it's not really expensive, it's something I can find second-hand, etc. We also try to talk (in 4 yr. old terms) about how every time we buy a new toy, some of our money goes to the factory that makes the toys. "We try to make sure our money doesn't go to factories where they make children work, or where the bosses are mean and don't let the workers eat lunch", etc. Now, when she has a new toy, she'll ask, "Do you think this was made by a man or a woman? Do you think they had a nice boss? Do you think they got paid enough money when they made the toy? Do you think the factory is a good job for them?"
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