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post #41 of 57
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Originally posted by Hilary
Daer MarlenaWhy should we, as Christians not do that?

I suspect you are not one, for if you were, you would understand that that is the core message of 1 Corinthians chapter 2, which culminates in a verse which says The whole purpose of Jesus coming was that if we so choose, we too can have the same sort of relationship with Christ (God) as Enoch and Elijah had with God. They WALKED WITH him.
It's true that I'm not a Christian. The experiences I've had with religion, however, have led me to believe that, if there is in fact a god, then those who believe that we, as mere humans, cannot comprehend the deity with our human minds are likely correct. Thus, I find more affinity with Jews and Muslims, among others, in this regard.
post #42 of 57
He has been suspended.

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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (Reuters) - The Alabama chief justice who defied a U.S. court order to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments this week was suspended on Friday by a state panel that monitors judicial ethics.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ion_alabama_dc
post #43 of 57
I think I'll just check out of this discussion, and leave it to the theologians, since I am obviously out of my depth here.
post #44 of 57
Wow.. I can't read the text but that is the first time I have seen it from that kind of angle. I had no idea it was so very "stone tablet from the mount" in design... if you follow me. The Moses one is interesting. I wonder what kind of discussion went into that.

In any case... the monument is far more religious in nature than I thought at first from reading descriptions of it. I thought it should go then and I am convinced of it now.
post #45 of 57
hi all~
interesting about other 10 commandment & biblical statues. Of course, this isn't a new controversy, is it? I guess what I always understood was that as the case law developed & the amendment was interpreted, things like "Roy's Rock" became impermissible, but if they were already there, they were "grandfathered in". Doesn't that make sense?

Sorry if I'm not making sense, but the baby just cried for 2 1/2 hrs & is now asleep & I'm just trying to shake off the stress a little.
blessings, maria
post #46 of 57
T

ten commandment discussion previously experienced here on mdc
http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...threadid=70050

founding fathers...mason's first?

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...threadid=78453
post #47 of 57
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supreme court washington, Moses with the ten commandments:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...ment_wx107.jpg
Please note who flanks him in the photo..........
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The east entrance's architrave bears the legend, "Justice the Guardian of Liberty." A sculpture group by Herman A. McNeil is located above the east entrance that represents great lawgivers, Moses, Confucius, and Solon, flanked by symbolic groups representing Means of Enforcing the Law, Tempering Justice with Mercy, Carrying on Civilization, and Settlement of Disputes Between States.
US Supreme Court


Let's put some equal displays right next to Moore's.................



What a shame that a man who has sworn to uphold the law will fly in the face of rulings that he doesn't agree with...............
post #48 of 57
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Good point, Els, re other carvings on the Supreme Court building.

As for many of Hilary's quotes posted above, the concept of "natural law" was in vogue in the 18th (and much of the 19th) century. It is therefore unsurprising to find it cited with approval by individuals of that time. Now, however, it has (mercifully) gone the way of the dinosaur, at least in terms of modern jurisprudence.

Also, as I noted earlier, it is presently acceptable to make certain unobtrusive religious displays of, say, the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. I can think of at least one in one courtroom here in Houston, where they are framed on the wall along with a number of other, secular documents. The monument installed by Justice Moore, on the other hand, is not merely highly obtrusive, but also highly OFFENSIVE, both in its presentation and in its equation of the Ten Commandments as "THE LAW OF NATURE AND OF NATURE'S GOD."
post #49 of 57
I've done some thinking about this issue, and I think what bothers me the most about it is that Judge Moore, under cover of darkness, covertly placed his memorial in a public building, knowing full well that it was the wrong thing to do. He knew, at the time, that he could never get the permission to place it there legally, so he just did it on his own. Imagine the arrogance, nay, the hubris of someone that would do something like that. It's an abuse of his position of power and authority. And now, he flouts the very laws which he was sworn to uphold. He should be stripped of his judgeship and be disbarred from the legal profession altogether. It is starting to seem that this whole thing is just a shameful publicity stunt. He is certainly doing no favors to people that claim to be Christians... what an embarassment for them.
post #50 of 57
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the thing is, as I said at the beginning, no-one of any faith will find offence with the actual 10 commandments. A muslim could look at them, intellectually and say "Yup, I can go along with that" as can a Jew.
And what about the polytheists? I'd also ask about the atheists, as well, but you specified "of any faith".

You're right - we're on the same side, but for totally different reasons!
post #51 of 57
hi all~
I agree with HB's last post completely, kind of what I was trying to say in some of my prev posts.
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It's an abuse of his position of power and authority.
And, what disturbs me even more than this one man, is the people who follow him. I saw a TV news blurb that showed a woman, holding her child, crying & saying that "it's not just the 10 Cs, God is being taken out of our country & it's a sign of the end times!" I felt so badly for her, really, my heart went out to her. Bcz here she is, fully convinced that something horrible is happening bcz people oppose this statue & here I am, fully convinced something horrible is happening because it's there.

Where & how can I find common ground with people like that woman? That is what really upsets me about this, that there is this whole segment of society that cannot accept that I am not a Christian without being threatened by me. To really say how I, as a non-christian, feel about the monument: it seems to me just another example of Christianity's (or should I say the Christian Right's or Fundamentalism's) super-aggressive, evangelical, beat-em-if-they-won't-join-you agenda.

I am watching closely to see what is going to happen next. I am very concerned about the "martyr" role that Judge Moore seems to want to play & worried that this whole little drama will further polarize our society.

blessings, Maria
post #52 of 57
That was really well put Spiralwoman. And here's one for ya... how bad is it when I, as a Christian feel the same dread about my total lack of common ground with the woman you described. Not to mention that I fear attitudes like hers make it harder for you and I to find our common ground. Judge Moore is not going on my Christmas card list (which includes a subset of friends to be sent Yule or Solstice cards.)
post #53 of 57
This thread is becoming more a discussion of Christianity and needs to return to the specific topic. I realize that some discussion of religious belief will necessarily enter into it but let's try, for the sake of keeping the thread open, to avoid it becoming the focus.
post #54 of 57
trying to honor Cynthia's request... lets just be clear that no one person speaks for all Christians as Judge Moore and Hilary have proven. By not speaking for me at all.

Are they making plans to remove the thing? Are Moore's Minions lining up to chain themselves to it?
post #55 of 57
If Moore's supporters had been anti-war protesters, or pro-choice demonstrators, you can bet the police and/or National Guard would have gassed 'em and clubbed 'em by now. I say disperse them now... and if a few martyrs have to be sent to heaven early, so be it.
post #56 of 57
Thank you Hilary.
post #57 of 57
In a court of law I don't think it matters what God thinks.


What matters is what the law says.


Why is it so easy to say Muslims should keep Shari'a out of their courts yet Americans are supposed to let a god into theirs............


Thinking this horse is dead.........I'm getting off.



El
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