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Background: Ds is 2yo, is intact, and had about 22 hours of crying/screaming whenever he peed. I read around here and decided that it was likely just separation, but wanted to make an appt with a doc in case it was an infection and we needed to get him in before the weekend/holiday. His regular (intact-friendly) doc was out, so we saw a colleague.

He tried to retract ds after I explicitly told him not to. I said, "I don't know what your experience is with an intact penis, but do not retract or pull on his foreskin." He said, "I'm just going to look." I said, "looking is fine."

Ds objected to his pants coming down, doc told me to make him lay down. I am not forcing my son to lay down. The doc can see his penis just fine when he's sitting down.

Doc touched it, pulled it back a little bit, I said, "okay, that's enough," he kept going. I pushed his thumbs away, he was STILL trying to retract him. I pulled his hands away, said, "that's it, you're DONE. you are NOT going to retract him." He said, "I can't see inside to see if it's red!" I said, "you don't NEED to see inside! It's an intact penis! You can see just fine from the outside!" He said again, "i can't see on the inside to see if it's red or if there's a little scratch."

I couldn't compose myself to give this man any information about what damage he can do if he retracts a non-retractile penis.

I asked him if he would do a swab for bacteria or yeast in case it's an infection, he said no, not without looking inside. He said if there's a scratch to put neosporin inside. Otherwise, give him some baths.

I'm just trying to get all my thoughts down and trying to remember all that happened, so sorry this is choppy. I'm still furious.

They took a urine sample before we saw the doc...he said it looked clear, so prob wasn't a uti. (That's what I decided, too, yesterday when ds was in pain.)

What can I do to file a complaint or report or whatever against this doctor? Links to other threads are fine...I couldn't search effectively enough a few minutes ago.
post #2 of 14
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=129378

What a jerk. And refused further treatment! Wonder if they would refuse treatment to a girl if you refused a vaginal exam for UTI?

eta- and it's supposed to be red, or purple, or whatever your son's personal color is!
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Originally Posted by jayayenay View Post
What can I do to file a complaint or report or whatever against this doctor? Links to other threads are fine...I couldn't search effectively enough a few minutes ago.
I'm so sorry you and your son had this unpleasant situation. It makes me upset that your son was treated this way.
Are you in the US? Did you use insurance to pay for the visit?
If you are in the US, each state has it's own board for physicians. The doctor should have some sort of sign or plaque up in the office that satates "If you have complaints, contact the board at (phone #) or in writing at (address)". If you don't recall seeing that, or if it's not on any papers of yours from the office, call another doctor's office in your town. Explain that you do NOT have a complaint against the doctor in that office but another doctor of another specialty in town. Get the state's medical board info and contact them. They won't do a thing about it but at least there will be documentation in their system against that doctor (at least this info is true in my state - the board rarely takes disciplinary action against a doc and they rarely lose their license for anything). But at least you'll have it documented against them.
If you used isnurance, call or write them asap. The insurance company will also document it and most ins. co will contact the Dr. in writing that a complaint was lodged against them. If enough patients complain against the dr. the ins. co might drop them from their provider list.
Nothing can change what happened to your son but complaining about it in writing might A- prevent it from happenin to another boy, and B- cause the doctor and those in his/her practice to take notice and educate themselves on how and how not to treat intact patients.
Of course, I'd find a new pedi. I'd give some printed info from AAP on retraction/intact care
when you go to pick up your son's medical files. I'd also let the new pedi know why you left the previous Dr and how you expect "NO RETRACTION" at all to your son.

No time to proof read - sorry for any typos.
post #4 of 14
It's a urethra. What the heck color did he THINK it was supposed to be inside if not red (or reddish purple?)

Tangerine? TEAL?!
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It's a urethra. What the heck color did he THINK it was supposed to be inside if not red (or reddish purple?)

Tangerine? TEAL?!

Thanks for the laugh; I needed that.

Yeah, I didn't even bring up the fact that I was thinking, "of COURSE he's going to see a red glans!"

thixle - THANK YOU! That's exactly the post of Frank's I was looking for! Perfect, perfect, perfect.

Thank you, also, Night_Nurse! This is not ds's regular pedi, but he's in the same practice as his regular (wonderful, AP-friendly, intact-penis-knowledgeable) doc.
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[QUOTE=jayayenay;10117657
Thank you, also, Night_Nurse! This is not ds's regular pedi, but he's in the same practice as his regular (wonderful, AP-friendly, intact-penis-knowledgeable) doc.[/QUOTE]
On top of complaining to whatever board(s) governs his behavior, tell your regular ped. If he is intact-friendly, he might like to know what his backup dr is doing to his patients. :
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On top of complaining to whatever board(s) governs his behavior, tell your regular ped. If he is intact-friendly, he might like to know what his backup dr is doing to his patients. :
Oh you BET I'm going to tell her.
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I asked him if he would do a swab for bacteria or yeast in case it's an infection, he said no, not without looking inside. He said if there's a scratch to put neosporin inside. Otherwise, give him some baths.
He wouldn't swab, without looking inside. What? Last time I checked, you could swab places you can't see. That's a joy of being a swab.

This part has just been driving me nuts all day. I thought you weren't supposed to put Neosporin on genitals/mucus membrane because of the risk of killing all the good bacteria and getting a yeast infection. (or messing up something- the tube I have says "do not use on genital/anal area") And your son is TWO and the doc wants you to put it INSIDE his non-retractible foreskin. With what? A q-tip? This is just totally nuts.

When you tell your regular doc, why not drop off a few DOC pamphlets and intact care instructions. Since she is foreskin-friendly, she might appreciate some info to give to the seriously misinformed doc. She may not, but it is worth a shot
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He wouldn't swab, without looking inside. What? Last time I checked, you could swab places you can't see. That's a joy of being a swab.
Lol! Swab joys....

But yeah, especially since they don't even NEED to swab INSIDE anything - just the TIP of the foreskin is sufficient! :

And yes, he said to put neosporin INSIDE the foreskin. Of course I'm not doing anything like that.

Good grief, man, my kid just had some pain for a day because his foreskin is NATURALLY separating from his glans. How would he even GET a scratch inside a non-retractile foreksin?! Ugh. This is so ridiculous.

Now I'm on a mission, tracking down names and addresses for my letter-writing campaign, and to send to Frank's letter-writing lawyer.
post #10 of 14
Slightly OT, but I put neosporin on my frenulum when I had a little tear and it worked wonderfully. So, I don't what the "official" stance is, but it definitely helped me out.
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This part has just been driving me nuts all day. I thought you weren't supposed to put Neosporin on genitals/mucus membrane because of the risk of killing all the good bacteria and getting a yeast infection. (or messing up something- the tube I have says "do not use on genital/anal area") And your son is TWO and the doc wants you to put it INSIDE his non-retractible foreskin. With what? A q-tip? This is just totally nuts.
You're correct about not putting neosporine on mucus membranes partly b/c of killing off bene-bacteria, but mostly b/c it can cause many people to have reactions. If oone does need to use an antibacterial one should use a gentler one.


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Slightly OT, but I put neosporin on my frenulum when I had a little tear and it worked wonderfully. So, I don't what the "official" stance is, but it definitely helped me out.
Individual reactions will vary and b/c a large enough % (I don't know actual #s) of people will have a reaction to neosporine there is a blanket recomendation to avoid it. Using any antibacterial also can lead to yeast infection, but won't always if there aren't other contributing causes.

It sound like you don't react to neosporine and aren't prone to yeast.
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Originally Posted by jayayenay View Post
Good grief, man, my kid just had some pain for a day because his foreskin is NATURALLY separating from his glans. How would he even GET a scratch inside a non-retractile foreksin?! Ugh. This is so ridiculous.
EXACTLY! I wonder if he suspects a scratch in vagina as well when girls have pains while urinating! How ridiculous! What an ignorant moron! He needs to be stopped!
post #13 of 14
The antibacterial cream of choice is bacatracin for the genital area. It is sorta like neosporin but without the ingrediant that can cause irritation. But like pp said there can be problems with yeast and irritation so only use if you have to.
post #14 of 14
Good for you mama! My son is intact and if it wasn't for mama's like you posting about doctor's trying to retract I wouldn't know to watch out for it.
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