anyone up for a homeopathy/flower essence thread?

[Panserbjorne]

A couple of years ago we had one going to discuss the spiritual aspect of homeopathy and flowers and it was VERY active. Anyone interested in starting it back up? I just re-read Bach's Heal Thyself and was wishing that thread was still active...it brought up quite a bit about spirituality for me. Anyone?

[angelpie545]

Hmmm...this interests me.

[Panserbjorne]

Excellent! Do you use them currently? Have you ever, or are you looking to learn more (which is perfectly fine too!)

I am certified in Bach Flowers and in school at the moment for classical homeopathy. I am in the process of getting certified in Living Flowers. I use both for my family and love the spiritual aspects as well as the energetic focus in both.

What is your interest?

[AprilDaisy]

I bought a Bach Remedy on a whim really to help my daughter with her sleeping. It worked really well and this topic has now become one of interest to me. I haven't found anyone nearby to discuss it with though...so...I'll keep an eye on this thread I think.

[Panserbjorne]

Very nice. Did you use the Bach combo or a single essence? My kids respond *SO* well to the essences! They are almost always my first line of defense. I love them too. Glad to see there is some interest.

[MissSJ]

Very interesting thread idea! I think Masaru Emoto's work and findings with water are definately worth adding to this conversation, is anyone familiar with him? Here is a link to one of his books Hidden Messages of Water. It is very fascinating. I will post more about it later if no one beats me to it, off to go clean up the house.

SJ
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[Panserbjorne]

We can definitely do that if there's interest. I have read his stuff as well as seen it mentioned in movies and lectures. It ties in pretty well.

Has anyone read any of Hanehmann's original writing? Or Edward Bach? Not necessary to have a discussion, but it would be cool for me to see how others interpreted them.

[HoneyTree]

My only experience with flower remedies is the Rescue Remedy tincture that I always keep in my diaper bag; I've only had the occasion to use it twice, when ds was in one of those crying-so-hard-he-could-barely-breath fits. I was so keyed up myself, I barely noticed if or when it worked, but I trust and respect plant energy and healing, so it's what I use.

Homeopathy, though, I use a lot. I don't know to do much more than search the picture labels of those little Boiron displays, but we've used remedies for heat-induced headaches and teething pain with great success. I've talked to a lot of people who say that homeopathy either works on you or it doesn't; I don't know if that's true, but I count myself blessed that it does indeed work on me and my family!

[Panserbjorne]

I believe that both work on everyone. The problem is that most people don't use either one correctly. IF you get the wrong remedy you will not get results. Some things are more straight forward than others and I'm glad you have had success. I have never met someone that has truly been able to make that claim in either modality. I mean if you give ANYBODY arnica after a physical trauma it works! That's an easy one. Others are more intricate and tricky to figure out.

I posted awhile ago about a friend that said she hasn't had success with rescue remedy. I submitted to her that she perhaps didn't NEED rescue remedy. In talking to her I found that indeed that would not have addressed her particular needs. I advised her as to what she should use instead. This has happened QUITE a bit. Another friend said the same thing...again we went through her issues and she didn't need a single flower that was in RR. I mixed her a blend and she maintains it changed her completely. I have seen them do amazing things. I just gave them to my sister to help with a breech baby. I have used them successfully with infants. I find there is no limit to their scope.

It's definitely fine to dabble...it's how we learn. I just think that we need to be careful (not you all here!) that we don't blame the therapies for poor outcomes-or lack of positive outcomes is more accurate. '"Tis a poor workman that blames his tools." I mean, if you took an aspirin because you were hungry is it likely to help? No. For that you need food. Both homeopathy and flowers need to be used appropriately to ensure success.

[HoneyTree]

That is so good to know, because looking at the labels on the pre-made homeopathies or flower remedies, I often think, "So what is there to study this if it's all right here?" But I think I've got it now; thanks for the great explanation!

Something I've wondered about arnica, and about Rescue Remedy, too; is there a chance of "over" using it, or becoming too accustomed to its effects? I hesitate to use both because I'm scared of this happening, but I don't know if there's any truth to that worry.

[Panserbjorne]

IF you were dealing with a higher potency that would be a concern...not that you'd become sensitized, but that you'd "stamp" the remedy onto your constitution. That is when dealing with potencies like 10M or CM, not 30c.

With flowers, nope. It's fine to use them as needed.

[superstella]

I am only just beginning on this journey, and currently reading anything I can get my hands on re: Bach, homeopathy, and many other so-called alternative healing techniques. I've dealt with a plethora of health problems this past year or so, and allopathic medicine just doesn't hold the answers for me. It's deeper than that, and it's going to take more than a few pills to address the problem.

As far as Bach goes, the only remedies I currently use are Rescue Remedy and Mimulus - I haven't gotten much further in my research quite honestly, and those are the two I thought would help me as I'm dealing currently with a lot of fear and anxiety (among other things, but fear and anxiety are among my top daily feelings).

I've only just started seeing a naturopath - I've only been once so far and will go back in another week or so (after a CT scan next week).

At any rate, this whole process is very spiritual for me and I'd love to be able to come here with questions or observations as I'm learning! And if you've got good book recommendations, lay them on me so I can see if my library has them.

[quelindo]

I'm interested in learning more about this, too. I honestly can't say I've ever noticed a difference when using homeopathy or flower essences, in me or my son. And we've even been to a classical homeopath who came highly recommended and took an online course. I want to believe in it, so I keep trying.

[MissSJ]

So I'm back, I just wanted to mention Masaru Emoto's work with water. In his experiments he found that water reacts differently to different words, music, and images; he discovered this by subjecting water to different things then freezing the water and examining it under a microscope. He believes that water has its own consciousness that records everything. It is quite inspiring and amazing to read his books!

In one of his books he mentioned homeopathy and that is how it works, the water remembers or is imprinted with the remedy. Isn't that how the Bach remedies work as well? I am probably butchering Emoto's work but it was so profound to me and I wanted to mention it here in case someone here might be interested in learning more. After reading one of his books I finally felt like I understood and could have faith in homeopathics and the flower remedies.

[superstella]

Thank you MissSJ, I will check out Emoto next time I'm at the library! They have a couple of books available, any particular one you recommend? The Hidden Messages in Water; The True Power of Water...

[MissSJ]

I read The Hidden Messages in Water and I really enjoyed it. I am definately not an expert on his work so I can't recommend which book of his is the best to read. I first saw his work on the movie What the Bleep Do We Know and was interested so I just read the first book of his that I found.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by New Mama

I'm interested in learning more about this, too. I honestly can't say I've ever noticed a difference when using homeopathy or flower essences, in me or my son. And we've even been to a classical homeopath who came highly recommended and took an online course. I want to believe in it, so I keep trying.

There are different schools of thought when it comes to homeopathy. I believe in classical homeopathy, but I always question whether or not the practitioner looks at miasms. For me that is huge. You could have the perfect remedy for you (from a constitutional perspective) but unless you have dealt with the miasms and removed the layers it won't touch you. This is especially true with people who have chronic issues that can be traced back through generations.

Are you saying the homeopath took and online course or you did?

The other thing about it is it depends on the practitioners ability to translate into the language of the materia medica, as well as their ability to distinguish the non-human traits. You experience is the most important thing in deciding what to prescribe...but it's deciphering the non-human aspects of your experience that is the most helpful.

It is all a matter of translation. It is a gift indeed.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by MissSJ

In one of his books he mentioned homeopathy and that is how it works, the water remembers or is imprinted with the remedy. Isn't that how the Bach remedies work as well? I am probably butchering Emoto's work but it was so profound to me and I wanted to mention it here in case someone here might be interested in learning more. After reading one of his books I finally felt like I understood and could have faith in homeopathics and the flower remedies.

It is vibrational. You can get remedies (like tissue salts) that still have traces of the original substance. Anything above a 24X really no longer contains anything and it is purely vibrational. Flower essences do work the same way.

If you want an incredible and very easy read you should check out Bach's "Heal Thyself" in which he explains how disease occurs. IT's a tiny book...about 60 pages. More of a pamphlet really. It is incredibly profound and will clearly illustrate the phenomenon of disease.

The Spirit of Homeopathy (sankaran) is another BRILLIANT book that I highly recommend. I think it's absolutely gorgeous.

Allen's writing are also great and give a basic lesson in how the energetic experiences are imprinted in the genes. He has a book called "Chronic Miasms, Psora and Pseudo Psora" that is fascinating.

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by firefaery

There are different schools of thought when it comes to homeopathy. I believe in classical homeopathy, but I always question whether or not the practitioner looks at miasms. For me that is huge. You could have the perfect remedy for you (from a constitutional perspective) but unless you have dealt with the miasms and removed the layers it won't touch you. This is especially true with people who have chronic issues that can be traced back through generations.

Are you saying the homeopath took and online course or you did?

The other thing about it is it depends on the practitioners ability to translate into the language of the materia medica, as well as their ability to distinguish the non-human traits. You experience is the most important thing in deciding what to prescribe...but it's deciphering the non-human aspects of your experience that is the most helpful.

It is all a matter of translation. It is a gift indeed.

I'm not familiar with miasms, so maybe the practitioner isn't versed in them. I do know that the woman who recommended him swears that he's helped her asthma and saw warts fall off her body after treatment.

I took an online course -- Sheri Nakken's.

I'm not saying I don't believe it works. Once or twice, in treating my son myself (after searching through my many homeopathy books) it seemed as though it helped. But sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between that possibility and coincidence (something else contributing). I haven't seen anything dramatic enough to convince me completely.

And like the person you mentioned -- Rescue Remedy does nothing for me, or for my son, apparently. I keep reading about people here who swear by it, and I just haven't experienced it.

[Panserbjorne]

Some reading on the miasmic theory:

http://www.heilkunst.com/autism/book_excerpt.html
http://www.lyghtforce.com/homeopathy.../educate4.html
http://www.hpathy.com/philosophy/lou...alitytypes.asp