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post #1021 of 1068

ok, good. just making sure. i have had in the past something of a propensity to wind up with opinions that are not mine being given to me by people who then get mad at me for having those opinions.... that are not mine.... lol.

 

 

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I am a little irritated by  the concept of the `perfect' garden.

i would be irritated by that concept as well..... lol!

 

(There is also a huge history of Anglo-Canadian inferiority complex to the Mother Country that is strong in me, shall we say, to make a very long story short. I used to study aspects of this in relation to literature. And a personal history of the perfect being the enemy of good enough in my life that I am speaking from.)  

ah, that helps. i wonder if you might be reading that into some things perhaps..... ? maybe you can find a local FE that will help with that! i'm only partly kidding...... 

 

I think that essences made by me from flowers grown in my garden by me ( all to the best of my abilities) is going to be as good for my own use and my family's use as essences made from flowers grown in the perfect garden or maybe even as good as essences made from wild plants by an unknown but probably-well-intentioned person. .....Because I cannot easily grow the plants in the appropriate climate or soil or wildcraft them in their native habitat, I can therefore never make my own essences from a plant that is as close as possible to the ideal, so  I resist the idea that the ideal might be so very important.  

just so you know, i am not in any way debating you on this. i just am trying to be clear that from what i've read, it would seem to me that there might be some (possibly some fairly key) differences in the "actions" of those FE as compared to the stated actions of the, shall we say, "originals".... NOT inferior, please dont misunderstand me... just different. maybe let's shelve this and come back to it after you've read my pal barnard? again, i loathe being misunderstood, and dont want you to think i'm somehow antagonizing you, i hope you dont. i just feel like you keep missing my point-- which in all fairness is my fault as much as yours, because i do know that i am not being exceptionally clear. sometimes online conversations just are not great at getting points across clearly. 

 

Your comment that essences from flowers you do not love for themselves have done wonderful things for you does weigh with me.   I'll have to see where experimentation and further reading take me.

ime, there's certainly a difference between flowers i love and essences that work well for me. i've never, to my knowledge, seen a mimulus or  centaury plant. my favorite flowers are by far roses. i feel no draw to take a rose FE. that's not to say i ought not to, but i do not feel drawn to it, nor do i feel the need, based on barnard's description. otoh, i adore aspen trees, and feel protected and clear headed around them, and am feeling similarly about the FE. it's just not a direct link in all cases, imo/ime. 

 

Hmmn.  Well, I do think that the intention of the maker is always important, in pretty much anything.

just to be clear, i never said that it wasnt. :-) 

 

.. I don't really imagine that things like the affection I have for it, or the protectiveness I feel for it, or the pride I feel, or the fact that my children play in and under  it would transfer to an essence, though my belief that these elements make this tree special might empower the role my own intention has in making the essence.  ....Maybe it would be easier for an Oak person taking this essence to let go of having to strive for reasons linked to tradition and heritage and the past than for an Oak person taking a conventional English-grown-and-made oak essence?

i was thinking more along the lines of my pansy example. i think there are some things, like what you're saying, that probably would help. but my point was that if there was some.... relation...you had to the plant that was not in any way indicated in the "gesture" of the plant that i am doubting that would transfer to the essence. again, i could be wrong. (maybe it's more clear if i ask you if you think you need oak FE? as opposed to wanting to bottle xy or z association you have with the tree.... does that make more sense? again, i'm just trying to understand.:-)

 

i think it might be fun to have a thread for exploring these notions for those interested in making their own!

 

i've said before that i would not feel good making FEs in my yard, but i think you know, aubergine, my own... problematic... relationship with where i live enough to understand my feelings on that. 

 

that said, i'd sure love to hang out with people who do have such a relationship that they do feel they could make their own!

:-)
 

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The most freeing thing I ever did was going to straight up repping, and my positive outcomes skyrocketed since I wasn't talking myself out of arsenicum because the person wasn't anxious.  


can i ask what that means? (ducks under table in case huge long conversation is about to ensue....)

 

 

oh, and, i looked up vanilla at the site you mentioned, and they do have it, but all it says is "higher guidance." i was hoping it was going to say "comfort like being in your grandmother's kitchen." lol.

 

 

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can i ask what that means? (ducks under table in case huge long conversation is about to ensue....)

 

 

 

 



remedies have pictures and keynotes aside from having known indications.  when you take a case, sometimes the person will literally recite keynotes (unknowingly) or you'll get intuitive hits on remedies based on what they're saying.  This can be a legit way of deciding what to give, and many masters have done so.  In acutes it can work particularly well.  HOWEVER knowing those pictures also can hinder you.  If you have someone walk in who is male, darker skinned, and doesn't like being out in the fresh air you can pretty much throw out pulsatilla based on the remedy picture.  However, if you were to take the presenting complaints and actually repertorize, pulsatilla may come up as the best suited remedy for the totality of the case.  You would have missed giving it because the essence wasn't there and a big keynote didn't fit.

 

Knowing miasms also helps pare things down, but straight up repertorization is always the classic way to take a case.  This is not an easy task.

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Knowing miasms also helps pare things down, but straight up repertorization is always the classic way to take a case.  This is not an easy task.



i'm done with memorizing stuff (which is what i would have to do to get to knowing remedies and keynotes), so i prefer to jump straight to repertorizing.  which is often how i end up with really obscure possibilities as remedies, or at least, i end up with a set of remedies as possibilities to which i do not have easy access.

post #1026 of 1068

ok.... maybe i'm just being dense, but i still dont get what you mean. do you have a check list or something? what does repertorizing mean?

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ok.... maybe i'm just being dense, but i still dont get what you mean. do you have a check list or something? what does repertorizing mean?



i gave a link elsewhere to kent's repertory, right?  take a peek and you might get a better understanding :)  one looks for a remedy (FE or homeopathic) that is common between a mental characteristic, a physical characteristic, and a peculiar characteristic, sometimes taking into account causation.  a repertory has lists of hierarchies of symptoms whereby one can create  a set of possible remedies (or FEs) that might be appropriate.

post #1028 of 1068

e.g., if my child were displaying signs of weepiness and clinginess (mental characteristics), yellow mucus snotty nose (physical characteristic), but better outside and/or liked to sing (peculiar), with causation being "oh, yeah, this all started after we were outside on a really windy day" - then i would know that pulsatilla was an appropriate remedy.

post #1029 of 1068

I've spent the night reading through this thread. Fascinated by the stories and seeking information. I'm not sure this is the right place to post this but it seems so many of you know so much more than I do about using flowers and homeopathy.

 

I've used bach remedies for me and my girls but now I'm wondering how they can help with an extreme crisis situation with my dad (age 68 and just diagnosed with Acute Leukemia). He retired 3 years ago and since then has gotten sick every spring with a new and increasingly lethal issue (prostate cancer then heart bypass surgery). When he gets sick everything that can go wrong does (worst case scenarios and stats get given to him).  He starts chemo on Monday and we have no idea whether it will kill the cancer or how much more "time" he will gain. Without treatment he is looking at 2-4 months of life.

 

Clearly there has to be something going on at an emotional/spiritual level to have such constant physical crisis' one after another- especially after a lifetime of relative good health (although not necessarily good body care- he's overweight and while active doesn't exercise). Sigh...

 

He would never speak to someone about a remedy but would take something I recommend for him but it's harder than choosing for my children who I see more and can have help me choose.

 

I'm thinking maybe Mecury Retrograde of the starlight essences for the way things go wrong for him?

He reacts to everything with anger first which covers the intense fear (Bryonia?).

He has panic attacks that he hides (rescue remedy)

 

 

I am so scared that I'm not sure I'm thinking straight. I know that I can't alter his life path for him. He has to want to heal at more than a physical level but I selfishly want him here for me and my kids. Is there a way to support his healing? Nudge him in the positive direction? Help him resolve the emotional/spiritual that keep leading to physical illness?

 

Thank you for any ideas.

Wendy

 

post #1030 of 1068

Wendy, I am so sorry about your dad, it is so hard to experience this. When PB sees this she may have some suggestions regarding the leukemia, as her mom has/had it and seems to be doing well (right PB?). From my research and understanding, leukemia is the healing phase of a self-devaluation conflict involving the the bone marrow, I bolded the word healing, because that is important to understand and something no medical doctor and most alternative practitioners would not comprehend. If you want a more in depth understanding of what I mean, pm me. Knowing your dad is healing from a devaluation conflict which is likely connected to his retirement, an example would be he no longer felt worthy to his family after he had retired from his life work (not saying this is the actual conflict) is vital to his prognosis IMO. Understanding he is in the healing phase means this isn't a bad thing, he needs to concentrate on supporting his body to regenerate. Unfortunately, chemo isn't going to do that, it is going to put his body back into the pre-healing phase and will also pump poisons into him which is not going to help the body in anyway whatsoever. It will also open him up for other emotional conflicts, ie death conflict (lung cancer), existence conflict (kidney failure) and further self-devaluation conflicts (bone cancer, chronic leukemia) to name just three possibilities. But as you so rightly pointed out this is his soul's journey and we can do so much. Your dad is the only person that can decide what he wants to do, but you can of course give him information if he is open to hearing it. He may not be, and you have to understand that is okay.

 

I am not going to give you suggestions of which essences to take, if you feel drawn to the stars, read about them and decided for yourself which is the most appropriate, then take it yourself. Always, always start with you. Your transformation will without doubt affect the energy around you and consequently the people around you.

 

I wish you and your dad all the best.

post #1031 of 1068

Wendy, it sounds like a really difficult time for you and your family. hug.gif   I hope you find what you need in this situation.

 

Thanks for the clarification on what repping means.  Do homeopaths use database software for this, ever, for learning, maybe?  I have gone looking for defn's of Materia Medica,  miasms, and repping ... very interesting.  I think I need to read the whole thread before I ask more questions.

 

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I have chills.  totally, totally true.  I think the books were so helpful to me because I tend to be more cerebral.  However, the fact is that we do all have this wisdom, if we allow ourselves to access it.

 

My own learning style is much about books, values concrete personal experience highly, and seems to need open debate as a catalyst. I'm coming to trust info received from my own intuition more and more lately, but still often find I don't really *know* something until I learn it the hard way. I receive information from others but I don't receive wisdom easily from someone's explanations  - I have to resist it and then come to my own understanding and conclusions.  I had a history in grad school of sitting quietly learning a bit, and then suddenly arguing a basic premise or assumption with the prof, and then later on saying ' "Hey, now I understand why that assumption was made."   I expect I'm probably moving from a position of resentment about using essences made in England and therefore irrelevant to me through a process of getting to know Bach and then ultimately deciding that his essences are the bees knees and truly the only essential ones after all!

 

I apologize if I've been argumentative - some things I just need to hack my way through.  I am sure there is a FE for this ;-)  (Impatiens, maybe?) but it has also been a useful way for me in the past of finding the right teachers - always the one(s) with the patience to meet me where I am.



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 maybe you can find a local FE that will help with that! i'm only partly kidding...... 

 

Or maybe it's even an English essence that I need?  It helps to think of the Bach essences as English/Welsh/Irish, btw  - I am a wee bit defensive about the Englishness (and even the Scottishness) but the Welsh and Irish -whole nother story, instinctive comfort level with those heritages. 

 

 

just so you know, i am not in any way debating you on this. i just am trying to be clear that from what i've read, it would seem to me that there might be some (possibly some fairly key) differences in the "actions" of those FE as compared to the stated actions of the, shall we say, "originals".... NOT inferior, please dont misunderstand me... just different. maybe let's shelve this and come back to it after you've read my pal barnard? again, i loathe being misunderstood, and dont want you to think i'm somehow antagonizing you, i hope you dont. i just feel like you keep missing my point-- which in all fairness is my fault as much as yours, because i do know that i am not being exceptionally clear. sometimes online conversations just are not great at getting points across clearly. 

 

Or maybe I'm not ready to get the point.  I do have an occasional tendency to tilt at windmills, to build up straw men - it is not personal or assuming that you are holding these opinions - and I hope you don't feel antagonized yourself!  Your questions have been very useful in my thinking about the subject , but, yeah, I think I need to do some reading and let things simmer and then come back to these ideas - or more likely, something else will be important to discuss.

 

ime, there's certainly a difference between flowers i love and essences that work well for me. i've never, to my knowledge, seen a mimulus or  centaury plant. my favorite flowers are by far roses. i feel no draw to take a rose FE. that's not to say i ought not to, but i do not feel drawn to it, nor do i feel the need, based on barnard's description. otoh, i adore aspen trees, and feel protected and clear headed around them, and am feeling similarly about the FE. it's just not a direct link in all cases, imo/ime. 

 

Interesting.

 

just to be clear, i never said that it wasnt. :-) 

 

No, I didn't get that you were saying that it wasn't - just that you were more interested in different aspects of the process?

 

i was thinking more along the lines of my pansy example. i think there are some things, like what you're saying, that probably would help. but my point was that if there was some.... relation...you had to the plant that was not in any way indicated in the "gesture" of the plant that i am doubting that would transfer to the essence. again, i could be wrong. (maybe it's more clear if i ask you if you think you need oak FE? as opposed to wanting to bottle xy or z association you have with the tree.... does that make more sense? again, i'm just trying to understand.:-)

 

Good question!  I don't think I need oak FE now  at all - though as a child and young adult overburdened with family responsibilities, before I knew this particular oak, I think I did. And I don't think I need any variety of Wild Rose  FE either, based on any of the descriptions I've read.  I've done a lot with wild rose hips herbally, besides loving them for themselves, as you love roses.  Maybe the healing vibrations of these plants have come to me through other experiences I've had.   I can think of people in my life that might need/want Oak or Wild Rose FE, and I can really imagine making them, though.

 

i think it might be fun to have a thread for exploring these notions for those interested in making their own!

 

i've said before that i would not feel good making FEs in my yard, but i think you know, aubergine, my own... problematic... relationship with where i live enough to understand my feelings on that. 

 

I do get that - I hope you will forgive me for sorta hoping that you come to a place where you do feel comfortable with making FEs in your yard, though.  I don't know anyone who purely just loves flowers as much as you do. I want you to feel surrounded and nurtured by them.  And though I've never been to AZ personally, it sounds like such a beautiful place, maybe a bit barren on the surface/at some seasons (not unlike my northern prairie/woodlands) but definitely beautiful and alive.

 

 

A separate thread on making FEs would be wonderful.  There are so many important lines of conversations happening here already....If anyone wants to start one, I'd be very interested.  I would/will start it, but nothing blooms where I am until at least late May/early June, so I don't see it being useful for me personally to do so for a while!
 

 


 

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I am not going to give you suggestions of which essences to take, if you feel drawn to the stars, read about them and decided for yourself which is the most appropriate, then take it yourself. Always, always start with you. Your transformation will without doubt affect the energy around you and consequently the people around you.

 

This is a useful thought for me, too.  Thank-you!
 

 

post #1032 of 1068

Thank you Mirzam I will PM later tonight you as I'm not sure I get how it can be a healing phase but I'd love to know more about the healing conflict. It seems like you are suggesting chemo won't help heal the true "soul" crisis which I could accept but if he doesnt' do chemo his dr.s are saying he will be dead within months. sigh..

 

I too hope PB will respond. I didn't know her mom has/had leukemia but it would be helpful to have another perspective.

 

Thanks again

Wendy
 

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Wendy, I am so sorry about your dad, it is so hard to experience this. When PB sees this she may have some suggestions regarding the leukemia, as her mom has/had it and seems to be doing well (right PB?). From my research and understanding, leukemia is the healing phase of a self-devaluation conflict involving the the bone marrow, I bolded the word healing, because that is important to understand and something no medical doctor and most alternative practitioners would not comprehend. If you want a more in depth understanding of what I mean, pm me. Knowing your dad is healing from a devaluation conflict which is likely connected to his retirement, an example would be he no longer felt worthy to his family after he had retired from his life work (not saying this is the actual conflict) is vital to his prognosis IMO. Understanding he is in the healing phase means this isn't a bad thing, he needs to concentrate on supporting his body to regenerate. Unfortunately, chemo isn't going to do that, it is going to put his body back into the pre-healing phase and will also pump poisons into him which is not going to help the body in anyway whatsoever. It will also open him up for other emotional conflicts, ie death conflict (lung cancer), existence conflict (kidney failure) and further self-devaluation conflicts (bone cancer, chronic leukemia) to name just three possibilities. But as you so rightly pointed out this is his soul's journey and we can do so much. Your dad is the only person that can decide what he wants to do, but you can of course give him information if he is open to hearing it. He may not be, and you have to understand that is okay.

 

I am not going to give you suggestions of which essences to take, if you feel drawn to the stars, read about them and decided for yourself which is the most appropriate, then take it yourself. Always, always start with you. Your transformation will without doubt affect the energy around you and consequently the people around you.

 

I wish you and your dad all the best.



 

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Thank you Mirzam I will PM later tonight you as I'm not sure I get how it can be a healing phase but I'd love to know more about the healing conflict. It seems like you are suggesting chemo won't help heal the true "soul" crisis which I could accept but if he doesn't' do chemo his dr.s are saying he will be dead within months. sigh..

 

I too hope PB will respond. I didn't know her mom has/had leukemia but it would be helpful to have another perspective.

 

Thanks again

Wendy
 



 


Wendy, I realize what I am putting out there is very different to everything conventional medicine has told us and it is a stretch for most which is totally understandable. I can assure you chemo won't help and your dad being told by his drs that he will be dead in months if he doesn't take their poison is not a surprise, they have nothing else to offer. I am going to go off on a bit of a tangent now, and this will also be a difficult concept for many to grasp, and that is the "naming" of diseases. Giving a condition a name is giving it more power, the power to create fear, and fear kills. Once a person starts to experience symptoms it means their body is in the healing phase. The classic symptoms of healing are pain, fever, inflammation, tiredness during the day, swelling, fatigue, night sweats, nausea, diarrhea, edema, although this can be serious and can need major intervention, bleeding, again, slight bleeding is okay, major bleeding needs help. Homeopathy knows to treat symptoms in individuals and not specific diseases.

 

 

What are the major symptoms of leukemia? Fatigue, fevers, night sweats, headaches, joint pain, swelling of the lymph nodes, bruising (bleeding) all classic symptoms of healing. As I said leukemia is the healing phase of a self-devaluation conflict, the pre-healing phase often called bone cancer, but often goes unnoticed. What defines the disease as leukemia is the fact that when healing begins one experiences an increase of leucoblasts, this is to assist the bone repair process. As the healing is occurring in the bone marrow, administering chemo and radiation to me is complete insanity as both damage the bone marrow. The healing also occurs simultaneously in the brain with swelling (hence the headaches).

 

I have direct experience of the healing of a self-devaluation conflict and the wisdom of not naming a condition. I don't want to say too much because it involves my DH and obviously I need to respect his privacy. A few years ago, DH experienced a self-devaluation conflict, a localized one, not generalized that would produce leukemia. The part of the body effected was his leg, and if the "disease" was named, it would have been called bone cancer. The healing took about a year, probably as long as the conflict was unresolved, I am sorry I can't give more details of what caused the conflict and what led to its resolution. However, for a year DH experienced a great deal of pain in the leg, sometimes to the extent where he could hardly walk. But he understood the meaning of the pain, and therefore it held less fear. He utilized, vibrational healing tools, mostly inert gases, combined with nutritional healing from the work of Aajonus Vonderplanitz (raw animal foods), raw butter was the most useful in helping his bone marrow repair. As I said, the healing took about a year and since that time, I guess it has been three years now, he has experience no further pain or symptoms. The body healed completely from the "cancer". Had he named his condition, I am in no doubt it would have created a great deal of fear, both in him and me, and would likely have triggered other complications,  maybe even death.

 

I am putting this out there as an alternative, and not for the purpose of debate which is not the intent of this thread. If it sounds like poppycock to you all, that's fine with me.

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Thanks for the clarification on what repping means.  Do homeopaths use database software for this, ever, for learning, maybe?  I have gone looking for defn's of Materia Medica,  miasms, and repping ... very interesting.  I think I need to read the whole thread before I ask more questions.

 

this should really never be used by beginners.  software is a very advanced tool.  some medical colleges teach it in the 3rd and 4th year of homeopathy, which is fine (and when I was introduced.)  But it's a fairly useless tool if you don't understand what you're looking for (which you don't if you don't understand the repertory.)  Basically you need to understand why the rubrics exist before you can put them to proper use.

 

It's very, very easy to be led astray by fancy computer devices.  It does help quite a bit once you do know what you're doing-but most homeopaths (not ND's that use homeopathy) would argue that you'll rep a much better case by hand and I'd tend to agree.  That's where you'll find the small remedies that aren't represented well in software.

 

the gold standard, even in this age amongst homeopaths, is the old school method.  That's not to say that many don't use software-they may well.  I personally have a $4k software package that I have had for 3 years that I have literally never used.  Not once.  I have a less expensive one that is fine, but I find them irritating.  I like my books.  I know where things are in my books.  I have my notes in my books as well as all my cross references.  So take that for what it's worth since I have a very clear bias.

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Thank you Mirzam I will PM later tonight you as I'm not sure I get how it can be a healing phase but I'd love to know more about the healing conflict. It seems like you are suggesting chemo won't help heal the true "soul" crisis which I could accept but if he doesnt' do chemo his dr.s are saying he will be dead within months. sigh..

 

I too hope PB will respond. I didn't know her mom has/had leukemia but it would be helpful to have another perspective.

 

Thanks again

Wendy
 



 


Hi there.  My mom does have leukemia, as did my uncle and grandfather.  I'm so sorry you are going through this.  My uncle and grandfather were diagnosed at about the same time as my mother-though she was the last of the three I believe.  They were all diagnosed within a year or so of each other.  My uncle and grandfather did the conventional route.  My uncle passed away about 6 months from the time he was diagnosed, and my grandfather in just over a year.  It's been about 16 years and my mother is doing great.  We've done all kinds of things-but she avoided standard medical interventions for a decade or so until her oncologist freaked.  Her numbers were high (as a result of a secondary infection-which he later acknowledged) but not dangerously so.  He also didn't like that her lymph nodes were enlarged and told her that they needed to come down for her safety-which they didn't, it was cosmetic and anything he would have been truly scared about he didn't bother to confirm (a point which he later conceded to as well.)

 

She has had chemo, and will tell you it almost killed her (she got pneumonia after each round.)  Now, that is quite common in cases like hers.  It's well known that you don't die of the leukemia, you die of the treatment....which her oncologist fully backs up.  She has told him that she will no longer do chemotherapy and decided to pursue natural healing more intensively.

 

So...she has had some treatments, but they were in no way helpful which is acknowledged by everyone involved.  Granted her leukemia is likely different than your fathers so I'm just telling her story, not trying to sway you either way.  What I can definitely say is that once she opened to the true nature of natural medicine things did change.  She completely manages things with nutrition, homeopathy, cell salts, flowers, CST, a few home remedies, and in the past, acupuncture.  Had the acupuncturist not moved away she may still be doing that.  However we have had several things crop up (bronchitis, viral illnesses etc.) that in the past had been incredibly scary and as long as she TELLS ME what's going on, we've managed them easily with no trips to the hospital and no progression to pneumonia.

 

So she has come to a place where she is fully invested in energy medicine, and it's her main line of defense.  She has stopped using conventional medicine at all.  Anyway-that is my background.

 

For your father, I think flowers would be amazing.  What you're describing is exactly what you'd expect to see in homeopathy-a progression of illnesses until it's something that is very dramatic.  So from that perspective energy medicine would be an excellent choice.  The beauty of it is also that you can use it along with conventional medicine if that's what the person chooses to do.  I have to run, but I'll be back-I know I haven't answered anything yet!

 

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wisdom of not naming a condition.


 


couldn't agree more in general, but this statement is so very, very important and I have a history with this as well-I'll come back to all of it, but really...this is more powerful than most can grasp.  and ultimately this is the core reason why I started this thread here.  To explore these ideas in relation to energetic methods.  Of course flowers and homeopathy are my passion-so they kind of took center stage!

 

and....I'm back.  Okay-I talked a bit about the wisdom of not naming things in another thread, so forgive the repeat.  When my dd was little she was in trouble.  She was hospitalized, she was poked and prodded and recommendations that were very scary were made.  AND no one could figure out exactly what she had.  They knew part of it, but her diagnosis was incomplete.  Ultimately I went to see a genius of a man who is a PT/CST and runs a center very specifically for disabled individuals.  I had her transcripts sent to him along with any results we had to date.  (though I had used natural medicine as my primary modality long before I had kids, I will swear this was my true introduction.)  I went for the first appointment and he examined her.  She was a month old, below her birth weight, lethargic, tube fed, hypotonic and lacking most of her reflexes.  She also vomited everything she ate.  There was more, but you get the idea.)

 

He held her in silence, did his physical exam, gently manipulated her body and after about an hour and half of actual silence, quietly told me what he found.  Not only that, he explained what we were going to do about it.  He told me that he disagreed with the diagnoses.  He didn't feel she had any of what they said, but agreed that she presented that way and yadda yadda yadda.  He treated her, and a miracle happened.  She ate and didn't vomit.  For the first time.  As he held her.  Now, this is a long story indeed and this is a small snapshot-but the point is that she did have three diagnosable medical conditions (and still does ftr.)  However he refused to give me anything to latch on to.  He never told me anything other than her progress, how perfect she was, etc.  He gave me hope, and because I didn't have names of conditions to go look up and align myself with I expected her to get better-which, she did.  Years later, reviewing her records it was very clear that he knew what she had, that the diagnosis wouldn't have changed anything, that she was always safe (I saw him three times a week) and her progress was consistently excellent.

 

I had the opportunity to see it again a few years later with a child that was not mine.  And then again.  And again.  I saw him work on a child when everyone was terrified and deep down knew what she had (CP), the gift he gave was hope.  Of course she was later diagnosed by a doctor that she had been seeing all along, but what he did for her, and for that family was nothing short of miraculous.   The progress she made in those early months I firmly believe was in part because everyone remained present with the healing and didn't sink into despair with the diagnosis.  Having hope is one of the more powerful things we can do.

 

I want to be clear that there is NO negligence on his part.  He is not a PCP, doesn't withhold information etc.  He's well respected in his field.  No one is deprived of care they require.  It's simply that his approach is to support the physiology and allow it to normalize.  He doesn't care what the diagnosis is, because that doesn't impact him.  He lets other people handle that.  For his part, he tends to know before the PCP's do and he does send them his charts so he may well be a catalyst for their diagnoses-but he himself refuses to use labels.  The difference this makes is truly amazing.


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ok.... maybe i'm just being dense, but i still dont get what you mean. do you have a check list or something? what does repertorizing mean?



so if someone has a headache....there are a bazillion "headache" rubrics and to rep a case well you have to find the best rubric.  So if a person complains of a headache you need to find out where it hurts, what the pain is like, what makes it better, what makes it worse, if there's a time of day that it happens etc.  You also need to determine which of the symptoms are the most important.  Once you have that information you can go looking for rubrics.  The headache example is fairly straight forward. 

 

So this person has a headache that they get that is mostly located on the sides of their head in their temples, worse on the left,  that is darting through their head.  It's worse if they're lying down, better if they go outside or squeeze their head, and tends to come on around 5 pm.  Now you have collected the relevant information and you go to the rep to find the remedies that will fit.  This is an EASY case as I'm not adding in the stomachache when they eat fats, insatiable craving for smoked meats, anxiety and despair.  (LOL.)  It's, for our purposes, an acute case.

 

you can find let's say....Headache, SHOOTING, pain, temples.  You have let's say 45 remedies listed there, alphabetically in different kinds of type to tell you how many points each remedy scores (how well proven it is for this particular ailment)

 

Then you move on to Headache, SHOOTING, pain, pressure ameliorates.  You have one solid remedy there and hope it appears in the first rubric too as this makes your job easier.

 

Then on to Headache SHOOTING, pain, lying aggravates.  Again, you check the remedies and hope that one of them also appears in the other lists.

 

So now we go to Headache, PERIODIC, day, every, at the same hour.  8 or so remedies.

 

Headache, ONE sided....70ish remedies (a good general, but not specific enough.)

 

Headaches, LEFT sided....25 or so remedies.

 

Headache, AIR, open ameliorates....40 or so remedies.

 

This is over the top, but it hopefully gives a better idea of how things work.

 

A remedy that has fewer points but appears in all rubrics you use is more important that a remedy with more points that doesn't appear in all rubrics.

 

Sorry-hope that starts to help!  Big rubrics can have a few hundred remedies, while smaller more specific rubrics can have just a handful.  BUT there are many rubrics that are similar and can be located in different parts of the repertory which is where things get tricky.  For instance you have to be able to distinguish between a rubric for sensitivity as a general symptom and sensitivity as a particular etc. etc. etc.  It's a bit topic and clearly I can't write in a post what thousands of books try to convey!  But, that's how it's done.


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Wendy,

I apologize-I realized as I was falling asleep last night that while theory is interesting you probably want something more concrete.  The reality is I have a certain way I view chemo, but that's irrelevant since it wasn't me that was going through it.  I had to be patient and supportive, while gently offering information *when the time was right* and my  mother opened up in her own time.  She'll laugh about it now, but it was scary and frustrating for me.

 

The point is it was HER journey.  She had to walk the path of least resistance and put her faith in her doctor 100% before she was willing to look at the fact that he was unable to help her.  It was only then that she could commit to a different path.  Had she done what I suggested from go, she would have had the lingering doubt in her mind that she wasn't doing all that she could be.  Now, she *knows.*  Her perspective is aligned with natural medicine at this point and as a result it will hold more healing for her.

 

So, for you (because it's not your path to walk) you can give your dad info on the side affects of chemo, let him discover alternate viewpoints and paths etc. but please be prepared for him to go the conventional route if that's his path.  You can take flowers and remedies yourself, of course.  You can also offer them to him.  I will give you an idea of what I did for my mother.

 

We did a ton of nutritional support, and what this meant, more often than not, was me cooking or shopping for her.  We did some juicing (great for her-we used greens and herbs with lemon to alkalinize her) as well as broths to help repair.  There are many stocks that have a rich tradition in naturopathic medicine.  We used several.  Mainly vegetable broth and bone broth, all homemade.  She needed ginger so that was in there too.

 

I used several methods to stabilize her pH.  It tends to drop during chemo.  Her favorites were the juice, cell salts and tri alkali powder....though she has since switched to clay after getting over the ick factor.

 

I used remedies.  I did a similimum for her stages and just kept her in a homeopathic remedy daily.  Sometimes more than one as I also used drainage remedies to assist her body in excreting the toxins from the chemo.  I did a low potency drainage remedy during chemo (allowed her to use what she could but get rid of the junk she couldn't.)  I watched and increased as needed.

 

I used flowers to match her situation.  For her it was english essences and one combination  of australian that I tweaked to be helpful in chemotherapy (liver support, lymphatic support, blood cleanser etc.  The english essences addressed the fact that she has a resigned tendency (and has her whole life.)  She went with chemo because it was easy, and she doesn't like standing up to authority.  She didn't want the doctor (who was also my grandfather and uncle's oncologist) to be "mad at her."  She didn't want to create a problem.  Now I can't say she wants to, but she has come to see that (in homeopathy) that frame of mind is consistent with the cancer miasm.  She had to learn to have a voice and take control or she would continue down that path.  (****this is not to say that people with a dominant "cancer" miasm will all get cancer, that is not the case.  It's just that the underlying essence of not putting yourself first can create a certain kind of imbalance if left unchecked.  Disease is a sign that something isn't working for you, and spiritually you need to address that and do something different or the universe will tend to keep reminding you louder and louder.****)

 

I used cell salts.  She LOVES these because the results are fairly quick, even in chronic conditions.  She still needs them, but they have been wonderful for her.

 

I had her use a neti pot/nasal irrigation (a godsend for her as she has no sIgA and had constant infections in her sinuses/oral mucosa.)  She also did castor oil packs regularly to assist the lymph nodes in draining.

 

She saw an acupuncturist for awhile, but no longer does.  She was very helpful.  Now she sees a massage therapist that specializes in lymphatic drainage as well as a chiro/CST.  The MT is once a week, the CST can be once a week to once a month depending (more if she has a cold, less if she doesn't.)

 

She eats very clean and really does no sugar or starch.  It took a LONG time to get that to stick, but it did.  Lots of raw fats, probiotics etc.  Grains and sugar set her way back and now she knows it.  She'll still deviate now and again for a day or so-but then she goes back to her "normal" way of eating.  One thing she did on her own was realize if she eats sugar/starch she feels much better by drinking a small amount of juice twice daily instead of just once.  Now that she's listening, she can hear her body which is seriously super cool.

 

I continue to work with her to bolster her reserves.  She looks great, feels great and is quietly determined.  I hope that helps and lets you know that even when you're not driving, you can still help navigate.


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a few quick comments.

 

I agree with PB on not labeling conditions.  Most especially because, in my state, once I'm finished my training I will not be allowed to diagnose, treat, or "cure" any "disease".  Ergo, our approach is to treat what we find.  We ask probing questions, but we never (well, rarely) put a label on it.  That said, my mentor works closely with an MD colleague and when he suspects something unusual, he refers patients to the MD (or suggests that they visit their own MD or, in rare but urgent cases, he tells them to go straight to the ER).  Because we don't have standing, we work in a nebulous legal setting, so we tend to err on the side of caution.  

 

Repertorizing.  I have played with software, but I found it frustrating because it confines one to the thought processes of the software creators, not to one's own understanding and creativity.  Though, when symptoms are clear, it can give some guidance about non-homeopathic suggestions, if one is creatively thinking.

 

Healing journeys.  We are each on our own life (healing) journey.  We can assist others, offer suggestions, but if they aren't in the same starting point as we are, we actually show them disrespect by pushing them into our path.  It can also be hard to "treat" one's family members - what we might think is normal (for the family member) may in fact be not so normal when compared to a more general population, so we might miss something important.  Indeed, part of our ethical code is that we, in fact, will not "treat" our family members, instead referring them to a colleague whenever possible, for this very reason.

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Healing journeys.  We are each on our own life (healing) journey.  We can assist others, offer suggestions, but if they aren't in the same starting point as we are, we actually show them disrespect by pushing them into our path.  It can also be hard to "treat" one's family members - what we might think is normal (for the family member) may in fact be not so normal when compared to a more general population, so we might miss something important.  Indeed, part of our ethical code is that we, in fact, will not "treat" our family members, instead referring them to a colleague whenever possible, for this very reason.


yup.  in my practice I treat the ND's kids and she treats mine.  god help us if we try to do it on our own!  After two minutes on the phone I'll say, "well it's clearly ...., have you tried that?"  Nope.  She does the same to me.  LOL.  You just don't think super clearly when it's your family.

 

The case with my mom was frustrating because I had two doctors who were also homeopaths working with her over the course of 15 years. The first one was great initially, but then he kept going for all these strange remedies that really didn't do anything.  Granted he'd been doing it for 30 years...and that's fairly common...after being in it for awhile people often start using obscure remedies.  Anyway he wasn't really helpful past the first few years.  Then I offered someone else who had me consult on the case.  We always came up with the same remedy, with the exception of once where I told him I wanted to go one way and he wanted to go another-but we had the same top two.  We went with his choice (he was the lead practitioner) and she aggravated terribly.  I went to my first choice (which he had already said would be his course of action) and things settled right down.  After that he kind of set us loose saying that I was doing as good a job as he was so he'd just let me take over.  He has stayed on for consults if I want to run things past him...but I'm the primary now.  It's not an ideal situation, but it's working for us for now, so I'm grateful.

 

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