anyone up for a homeopathy/flower essence thread? - Page 2

[MissSJ]

Originally Posted by firefaery

It is vibrational. You can get remedies (like tissue salts) that still have traces of the original substance. Anything above a 6X really no longer contains anything and it is purely vibrational. Flower essences do work the same way.

If you want an incredible and very easy read you should check out Bach's "Heal Thyself" in which he explains how disease occurs. IT's a tiny book...about 60 pages. More of a pamphlet really. It is incredibly profound and will clearly illustrate the phenomenon of disease.

The Spirit of Homeopathy (sankaran) is another BRILLIANT book that I highly recommend. I think it's absolutely gorgeous.

Allen's writing are also great and give a basic lesson in how the energetic experiences are imprinted in the genes. He has a book called "Chronic Miasms, Psora and Pseudo Psora" that is fascinating.

Vibrations - yes! Emoto talks about this, I believe he says the vibrations are what affects the water, that everything has a vibration.

Thanks for the book recommendations, I will definately try to find them. Stuff like this is so interesting to me!

[Panserbjorne]

If the vibrational aspect of it is what fascinates you you should check out Napolean Hill's Think and Grow Rich and EVERYTHING by Abraham. The newest is The Astonishing Power of Emotions as written by Esther Hicks.

Those works are all about the vibrational aspect of life and how we align our thoughts in a conscious way in order to prosper-financially, spiritually and of course healthfully.

[MoonWillow]

I'm subbing to this thread. We are doing homeopathy with my son and will start with my dd who has allergies and asthma. I have been back and forth in my feelings about the remedies. It has seemed pointless at times to pay a lot of money to answer questions that I wasn't sure I could truly answer only to be told not to do anything yet but to wait. I do think that I have seen results though and I am remaining open. I know that I sometimes cannot help but see issues through my traditional western mindset which is very much about "fix it now please" and less geared toward subtleties, but I am working on that. I believe in body/mind/spirit even if I sometimes need reminding that the disconnect is actually a figment of my imagination, not vice versa. If that makes sense.

[MissSJ]

Originally Posted by firefaery

If the vibrational aspect of it is what fascinates you you should check out Napolean Hill's Think and Grow Rich and EVERYTHING by Abraham. The newest is The Astonishing Power of Emotions as written by Esther Hicks.

Those works are all about the vibrational aspect of life and how we align our thoughts in a conscious way in order to prosper-financially, spiritually and of course healthfully.

I haven't heard of Hill's book and I will see if my library has it. I have a couple of the books by Esther Hicks and I can totally see how this works. At first I was excited about it and tried to apply it in my life but in the past few months I have stopped. I'm glad you brought it up, time for me to look through some of my books!

[Panserbjorne]

So to start a bit on the spiritual aspect, shall we discuss what we believe about disease? How you perceive it and how you deal with it within your family?

It's a tough subject as for most of us it is cloaked in fear. There's always the "what if's." What if I don't do what my doctor says? What if all I believe is wrong? What if I don't truly understand? It's also different when you aren't treating yourself. You know what your deeper truths are not when you are sick, but when one of your kid's are affected.

I have crossed this bridge several times. I know what I believe. However, I also know that I am VERY lucky to have excellent guidance. I have people I trust that have walked the path before me and shown me what is possible. I have one practitioner specifically who is very highly respected that has helped my hand at times. He has shown me how to navigate the rough waters.

So many use alternative "medicine" in disconnected and fragmented ways. I know very few who commit. It is a hard thing to do without support. If you are surrounded by health care practitioners who are threatening and coercing you it isn't easy to be strong in your beliefs when you are in the minority.

So where is everyone in their journey? Some of you have shared your experiences with homeopathy. I am impressed by those who haven't had complete success but still move forward. Why is that? Because you've seen other people succeed, or because homeopathy makes sense to you? Is your faith that strong? What do you believe you are in pursuit of?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by MissSJ

I haven't heard of Hill's book and I will see if my library has it. I have a couple of the books by Esther Hicks and I can totally see how this works. At first I was excited about it and tried to apply it in my life but in the past few months I have stopped. I'm glad you brought it up, time for me to look through some of my books!

Think and Grow Rich has a slow start (at least it did for me) but it is BEYOND brilliant. It's very much in line with Abraham's teachings. IT also gives examples of highly successful people that have used it that you would recognize. That to me is really cool. You get to see the principles in action. Dh loved it, and he's not a big fan of Esther Hick's. This way he integrates all the belief's into his life because Hill speaks to him on a deep level. It doesn't hurt that many people he respects are mentioned throughout the book. In fact, in Hicks' newest book they address the censoring of Think and Grow Rich. Apparently the word "vibration" was edited out because the publisher didn't think people were "ready" for that.

[HoneyTree]

Truth be told, I don't know what I think or feel about diseases. My thoughts are circular and fragmented, and the product, I think, of knowing a tiny bit about a lot of things but not knowing a whole lot about any of them!

On the one hand, it's biology! Germs exist, and they use our bodies for their propagation. This is how the life cycle works.

On the other hand, the body is powerful and resilient, and people with especially powerful and resilient bodies don't get germs, or at least not as often as the rest of us.

So then I think, OK, if we all know that with good diet, low stress, positive thinking, and other "right living" kinds of circumstances, we can bring our bodies to this point, it is actually a choice that we do not. So therefore we are choosing to get sick.

And if we do get sick, we have a choice about how to think and feel about it. Do we give over to the sickness, feel and act sick? Do we ignore the sickness, refusing to become the sickness? Do we forge a battle in our minds, like the people who visualize their white blood cells killing their cancers? Do we seek the intervention of medicine, be it allopathic, homeopathic, herbal, etc.?

Thanks for posting this question! I needed to write all those thoughts down!

[GoldBerry]

: really interesting thread!

Personally, I have been using Cherry Plum Bach flower essence now and then over the last year- it has been a wonderful help with anxiety!

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by HoneyTree

Truth be told, I don't know what I think or feel about diseases. My thoughts are circular and fragmented, and the product, I think, of knowing a tiny bit about a lot of things but not knowing a whole lot about any of them!

On the one hand, it's biology! Germs exist, and they use our bodies for their propagation. This is how the life cycle works.

On the other hand, the body is powerful and resilient, and people with especially powerful and resilient bodies don't get germs, or at least not as often as the rest of us.

Okay, here's your first problem as I see it. We ALL have germs. Lots of them. IT's not that some people get them and some don't. They exist on and around all of us. Some people are more susceptible to their damage, but that's a different thing all together. It is biology, but don't forget that Pasteur recanted on his deathbed..."The germ is nothing. The terrain is everything."

Bacteria have a function. That function is to destroy diseases cells. The reality is that they are BENEFICIAL to us. In a healthy person they go to work, kill off the dying cells and move on. You may experience some mild discomfort from the detox, but in the end you are healthier for it.

Some believe that it is a result of the body becoming stronger from having to fight. I don't think that's the case. I think the body becomes stronger from having the dangerous cells removed by the helpful bacteria. IT's a prettty big difference. I have read of many traditional cultures that actively and consciously ate putrefying meat in an effort to introduce the bacteria on it to help cleanse their systems. THe meat was rotten but they didn't experience more than a day or two of mild, functional discomfort. The bacteria cleared them out and they moved on, healthier and stronger.

Some people actively introduce parasites for the same reason. In the end after they have done their job they move on.

The problem nowadays is that people have so MUCH toxicity in their bodies. Mostly from refined foods that never actually get eliminated and just build up in the intestines. Some too from environmental toxins. Some from the introduction of foreign material directly into the bloodstream (vaccines.) When the bacteria go to work they have SO MUCH to do that it gets very uncomfortable. Then to add fuel to the fire people work really hard at suppressing or eliminating the workers and the toxicity remains.

The spirituality part comes in here too. The more toxic your life/thoughts are, the more you accumulate and fail to remove the toxins. Now, you are more "at risk" because when and if the bacteria are introduced they have a HUGE job to do and it is going to be pretty uncomfortable. In my eyes the best thing you can do is NOT panic. Don't take medications, herbs or supplements that work to prematurely end this cleansing process. Understand that it is beneficial for you. Embrace it. You will be rewarded.

[Panserbjorne]

Another way to look at it that is far more spiritual: Edward Bach believes that disease occurs for a different reason. He believes that you get sick if and only if you are out of balance emotionally. The theory goes like this: the pp mentioned using cherry plum with success. In an unbalanced state (or in the negative cherry plum state) you have this anxiety. You are out of control and disconnected from the universe. You are unable to be in sync with yourself and that causes you discomfort. This is a warning. IT is your body's way of telling you that you are "open" to disease should the imbalance remain uncorrected.

By taking cherry plum you are in effect realigning with the universe and acknowledging your role it the divine plan. You are now able to function better, not only for yourself, but for those around you. You can now give back and fully participate in life. You have learned that lesson and sidestepped true disease.

If you hadn't it would have progressed. You would have failed to understand the signal that your body was trying to give (because the two causes of disease or misalignment with yourself, and misalignment with the divine or the universe) and it will progress. The only reason you get a full on disease-in his mind-was if you failed to learn the lessons. IF you, in essence, failed to be as whole as you could potentially be.

That fascinates me. That is why he formulated his essences. He experimented with hundreds and found that the 38 that exist now are able to address any (mental) malady that arises. He realized, that whole homeopathy address the whole in a deep way, they ONLY way necessary was the emotional. IF you could right the emotional imbalance then disease as we know it would never show it's face. Even if it did, if you could find the root cause (the initial imbalances) you could effectively rid yourself of it.

It then does come back to your mindset, but not the way we think of it. IT's not really about visualizing your body killing off bacteria, it's about looking deep in yourself and facing the deep dark truths that are our imbalances. Then, once you acknowledge them amplifying the beneficial aspects and eradicating the darkness. You don't, for instance fight the anxiety. That just gives it more power and is a negative approach. You focus on and support comfort and love, because in the face of extreme comfort and love no anxiety can exist. IT's like the power of positive thinking to the extreme.

[superstella]

Once upon a time, I was a pre-med student intent on becoming a pediatrician. As part of my preparation for medical school, I asked a local ped if I could shadow him for a week or so to make sure that's the field I wanted to enter. He agreed, I followed, and my enlightenment began. He's now my kids' ped by the way, and I have the utmost respect for him. But I can still remember when he told me, "A diagnosis is nothing more than an educated guess. SOmetimes you're wrong, so you go with your second guess. And sometimes, that is wrong too." And I can remember being appalled that every child he saw (well, almost every) had an ear infection, cold, generaly bluckiness, whatever, received a prescription for azythromycin (must have been the drug of the day back then).

I didn't go to med school, I went instead to grad school.

I first read Secrets of the Talking Jaguar, and then some Paul Stoller which opened my eyes to some alternatives. My MA is in anthropology, so I read a lot about indigenous healing, witch doctors, herbal remedies, and the like. Still, this information was mostly there on an intellectual level only, it didn't really hit me spiritually.

Then I decided to become an RN, and started school for that. Then I got sick. Really, really sick. After having my 5th baby, I developed post partum eclampsia and my bp shot up to 200/105. I suffered several small TIAs. I recovered, or so I thought. Then I came down with pneumonia. Or so they said. They gave me some potent antibiotics, sent me back to class, clinicals, and my five children, and told me I'd be fine. Only I wasn't. I'm still not.

After 7 hospitalizations, surgery, CTs, MRIs, biopsies, and more drugs and doctors than I can name, no one has an answer. I just can't breathe. After five or more months, I started researching and looking for my own answers.

And that's why I say I'm just beginning this journey. I first got sick with "pneumonia" in March 07. My last hospitalization, biopsy, and ICU stay were mid-July. I saw my naturopath for the first time in Dec. after much research.

Something that did carry over from my anthropological training is the mind/body connection, and I did a lot of my research on how this is viewed in various cultures. I view disease now as a process, an interaction between mind, body, and environment. If all three are working in harmony together, a healthy individual is the result. When one is out of tune, the others suffer.

I have a lot of issues I struggle with at the moment because of my own health problems, and I'm working to reunify my mind and body. I feel disconnected. Bach I've only just begun to read about and research, and that was only because the naturopath recommended the Rescue Remedy and minumus (although I'd heard about at least Rescue Remedy on here before).

[superstella]

That's very interesting firefaery, and something I'll definitely have to read more about. It took me forever to write that last post, so yours wasn't up when I was responding but it sounds like what you said lines up pretty well with what I'm thinking.

[MissSJ]

Originally Posted by firefaery

it's about looking deep in yourself and facing the deep dark truths that are our imbalances. Then, once you acknowledge them amplifying the beneficial aspects and eradicating the darkness. You don't, for instance fight the anxiety. That just gives it more power and is a negative approach. You focus on and support comfort and love, because in the face of extreme comfort and love no anxiety can exist. IT's like the power of positive thinking to the extreme.

I have been reading books by the Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh and he says something very similar. He says when you find anger (and I presume anything) within to embrace it and care for it like you would a baby. He says not to fight it, deny it, hate it, etc. which is how I think many people react to negative feelings. I believe he says once you embrace, accept and care for these feelings only then can you begin to understand them and work through them. Very interesting conversation, thanks for starting it!

[superstella]

Originally Posted by MissSJ

I have been reading books by the Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh and he says something very similar. He says when you find anger (and I presume anything) within to embrace it and care for it like you would a baby. He says not to fight it, deny it, hate it, etc. which is how I think many people react to negative feelings. I believe he says once you embrace, accept and care for these feelings only then can you begin to understand them and work through them. Very interesting conversation, thanks for starting it!

I have 2 of his books on my shelf, my ds1 bought them for me for Christmas. Now I'm even more excited to read them. So much to read, so little time...

[Panserbjorne]

It is a very similar process to be sure. It's interesting how similar so many things are. Abraham says almost the same thing. Specifically in the teachings on illness: they say you never fight anything, for fighting gives it strength. When you focus on the negative aspect you attract more into your life. In fighting cancer for instance, you are always focused on the cancer. Even if it is in a "positive" way it's the center of your day all day every day. Abraham teaches that the way to approach illness of any kind is with love. See what it has given you and what you can learn from it. Revel in the beauty of the world and appreciate each moment. It is only when you can change your consciousness and align yourself vibrationally with health that you can achieve it. Fighting keeps you aligned with the thing which you do not want-and as long as you are a vibrational match to, say cancer, cancer is what you will have.

Bach's writings are the same. Always look for the light, for in the presence of light there can be no darkness. Homeopathy looks to achieve the same thing. It, within it's laws of similars attempts to allow the body to recognize it's misalignment and allows it to create it's own shift.

How do you apply this to your life? It sounds good on paper, but how do you practice it? Or don't you? Do you believe these ideas? IF that's the case where can you start applying them? If you don't believe, why not?

[Panserbjorne]

Superstella, have you started rescue remedy and mimulus? Have you noticed a difference? Are you doing anything to release you past trauma (besides the RR I mean.)

That sounds like a pretty long road. Unfortunately you are far from alone. I had a similar story...over a decade of debilitating illness that noone could diagnose. I was held hostage by it. I tried everything the medical world had to offer, from serious drugs to invasive procedures and was no better after 5 years. I then took matters into my own hands. I started seeing a classical homeopath as well as a naturopath. I did lots of reading. I nourished myself. Here we are years later and I have NO symptoms anymore at all. I can leave my house whenever I want to. I have no pain, no sickness.

I know what my illness gave me and it truly was a gift. I know where it came from and why it manifested the way it did. Not a day goes by that I'm not thankful for it. It took a long time for me to get where I am. IT took alot of work. It's worth every minute.

[superstella]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Superstella, have you started rescue remedy and mimulus? Have you noticed a difference? Are you doing anything to release you past trauma (besides the RR I mean.)

I've only just started within the past week or so, and I do feel ... calmer? but still disconnected. I had a lot of anxiety and fear (specific fears) which I think are being helped, but the disconnect hasn't been addressed yet. And no, I'm not really doing anything else to release past trauma although I know that I will at some point.

That sounds like a pretty long road. Unfortunately you are far from alone. I had a similar story...over a decade of debilitating illness that noone could diagnose. I was held hostage by it. I tried everything the medical world had to offer, from serious drugs to invasive procedures and was no better after 5 years. I then took matters into my own hands. I started seeing a classical homeopath as well as a naturopath. I did lots of reading. I nourished myself. Here we are years later and I have NO symptoms anymore at all. I can leave my house whenever I want to. I have no pain, no sickness.

I know what my illness gave me and it truly was a gift. I know where it came from and why it manifested the way it did. Not a day goes by that I'm not thankful for it. It took a long time for me to get where I am. IT took alot of work. It's worth every minute.

It's very inspiring to me to know you nourished yourself back to health even when "they" couldn't help you. I know in my heart of hearts that all the meds haven't done a thing for me besides cause me to need more meds to counteract the effects of the first meds...

I have yet to acknowledge where mine came from and why it is manifesting the way that it is, but it is something I am working on. It's very difficult to be that honest with oneself.

Bach's writings are the same. Always look for the light, for in the presence of light there can be no darkness. Homeopathy looks to achieve the same thing. It, within it's laws of similars attempts to allow the body to recognize it's misalignment and allows it to create it's own shift.

How do you apply this to your life? It sounds good on paper, but how do you practice it? Or don't you? Do you believe these ideas? IF that's the case where can you start applying them? If you don't believe, why not?

You're right, it sounds good on paper. I believe in the idea, and I guess I started applying them with my meditations.

Hmm. I have a lot to think about. I'm so glad you started this thread firefaery, I've been checking back all day long to see if there are any new posts. I think it was perfect timing in my life anyway, and I'm glad to have others to chat with.

[Panserbjorne]

Disconnected from your body or from life? Do you feel as though you are not interfacing with your body and don't have the desire to participate in life and get well, or is it that you don't feel connected to the world around you?

Just as an FYI you still may want to consider Aspen even if you can name your fears. I don't know you at all, but named fears often stem from unnamed fears. Do you have any of the other traits of Aspen? It's also a HUGE remedy for anxiety attacks. Just something to put in the back of your mind.

Two of my very favorite tools for releasing trauma are available for FREE online. TAT and EFT. Here are some links:
http://www.tatlife.com/
http://www.emofree.com/
There are free downloadable manuals on each. EFT is great for everyday issues-my kids love it too. TAT is awesome and great for the deeper stuff. Not that EFT can't address that too-but I think they complement each other nicely.

[quelindo]

I was going to write a separate post about this (and still may) but it occurred to me that FF or someone else may have insight for me here.

I tend to be really critical at times. When I get this way my DH says it seems as though every little thing sets me off. I can feel myself being this way, yet somehow it feels valid at the same time. It's like how you're always told to say something when you're irritated rather than let the irritation build up inside you.

But for me it becomes almost irrational -- I make up little "rules" in my head about how something should be (and I'm not always consistent with that, either) and then expect DH to follow those rules. If he doesn't, I criticize.

I'm not always like this, but I definitely was this way this past weekend. When my DH confronted me about it tonight I knew exactly what he was saying, yet at the same time I wanted to argue "but this is why I said this..."

It's like I just want things to be the way I want them. I'm ashamed that I acted this way this weekend (again, not all weekend long, but enough that DH said something) but I almost feel like I can't help it.

Is this making any sense at all?

I almost wonder it it isn't a dietary thing -- a nutritional deficiency or something. I'm open to any suggestions!

[Panserbjorne]

It is *SO* hard to be honest with yourself. Harder too because it's so easy to get caught up in the technicalities of the illness-whatever that may be. I know that was hard for me in the beginning, I was tripped up by labels.

I love flowers for this though. As you uncover each layer you can lessen the blow with the right flowers. I have had to look at some really hard stuff from my childhood, to the patterns in my family, to what I GOT out of my illness. Honestly that was the hardest part for me. It's also the first real step to wellness. You don't stay a victim unless there's a payoff. It was finding out what that payoff was and how it served me that hurt. I realized at that point that I was, however unconsciously, keeping myself in that place. I had alot of guilt, anger, sadness and despair. But it doesn't take very long for you to realize that's just another way to be a victim, and THAT'S when you move on.