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I am absolutely charmed just by the descriptions of spiritual values associated with plants I have lived with and  loved all my life (they have a downloadable book with all of these on the site above.) and now I am feeling like I really need to learn more about flower essences, maybe take some courses with these people at some point.  Wolf Willow has always been one of my favorite plants and I just found myself nodding along with the description of the Wolf Willow essence and how to use it...wow! 

 

So, now that I have found this potentially wonderful resource, reading more about FEs is a lot higher on my list of priorities.  Found Barnard in my library system....now I should look for Bach?  Which books?  I'm really not that interested in working with the specific Bach remedies, I don't think, but just to learn more about what FEs are and how they can be used.

 

Posting on this thread because I'm really seeing them as more of a spiritual tool than a physical one, if that makes sense.  

 

 

ahhh. wishing i lived somewhere there were local flowers i had that kind of connection to (my flower loves are mostly english, lol!) i think making FEs, if one lived somewhere one felt appropriate doing so would be sublime! 

 

i think you'd love the barnard "form and function." he talks about the structure of the plant and how that relates to what i means, and he talks about making the essences. and i think you'll just love the book. 

 

there's a barnard edited of the complete bach. he didnt leave much of what he wrote, burning drafts along the way..... 

 

and, yes, it makes total sense..... FEs *are* spiritual, at least, as bach intended them...... they're not always used as such, hence my issue as above. 
 

 

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and, yes, it makes total sense..... FEs *are* spiritual, at least, as bach intended them...... they're not always used as such, hence my issue as above. 
 

 

yup.  lol.  welcome to my world!  I have a lot of cases with significant physical pathology in which flowers are used extremely successfully.  Most of that clientele would be appalled at the spiritual aspects, so I don't push them...but they're there.  I speak about them as healing herbs and tell them to the best of my ability how and why they're working the way they are, but if I got into it deeper it could be trouble.  So, since so many don't WANT the spiritual aspect to be there at this point I think it's okay to have the clinical picture.  Plus as many have said when books bridge psych/physical/spiritual a whole world opens up that you didn't consider which is fascinating.  The only books that do this effective (IMO) are the Bush Flowers.  Seeing how a spiritual issues shifts to a physical one is fascinating.

 

I welcome it-the hard parts?  Just bless them and release them.  the more people writing about flowers and "legitimizing" them the better!  It's the same with homeopathy/cell salts etc....people want "proof" and "studies" and whatnot.  You're not going to get them with these modalities as easily as you would with others for obvious reasons.  But if you have "respected clinicians in the field" using them this way and writing about them then it makes another clinician more willing to pick them up because they found someone speaking their language.  And then, perhaps sometime down the road once they see the efficacy they may be willing to open more to the deeper aspects.  there's no "wrong" way to use them, you know?  If you're using them effectively it's getting the word out.  Even though what Sheffer's doing is more superficial in many ways she's opened the world to flowers!  What a gift!  Then it's up to everyone to decide how they want to interpret them and use them.
 

 

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it's stunning, the difference between them! barnard is very bach-ish, of course, while scheffer comes out against several of bach's key points, while still using his FEs (something that always intrigues me).

you will be suprised at how often you find this.

i guess i'm not that surprised when i think about it now, but i did bristle at her word choices. "misunderstanding" and so on, almost like she was calling bach out in regards to his own flowers. having read (and resonated so deeply) the barnard, it almost *stung*. but i'm being overly emotional about it. ;-)

 

...and more of a "whole".... a simple system that fits together in an organic, whole-istic, growth-oriented, and spiritual way.

IMO the way they're meant to be used, but we all have different starting points, yes?

hard not to feel that way if you "follow" how barnard talks about them. again, "growth" being key for me (it's almost like we're having the homeopathy conversation again....)

yes, but you see how the divide exists across multiple modalities too, which is good.  I believe in the growth aspects too!  OF COURSE!  But sometimes people just need a gateway.  I've seen again and again on this forum where people were using rescue for things that would have been much better addressed by other flowers.  I know Mizram, myself and a few others have been clear that there are better choices and many if not most don't want to hear it.  they want x essence to address y problem.  It's just not how they work. 

 

 

it feels like a huge divide.

Well, who is she? What's she doing?  She's a therapist trying to make flowers accesible to other therapists.  She's a clinician.  She is using the flowers in her practice and wanting other therapists to do the same.

that does make sense. her writing is very "clinical." in an almost off-putting sort of way. it's sad to me, because this is THE one FE book my public library system has. seems like an odd choice. although, i will grant, if you *do* want to be that way about FEs, it would be a helpful tool. it just starts to feel... inappropriate. again, though, i do tend towards the systemic approach. taking the FEs out of the context.... makes me bristle. yes, i am a contextualist. ;-) 

It's the most well known book and her original book on theory and practice has been out there a LONG time.  It's another perspective and still brings a good amount to the table, but it's not how I work.  I think it was my original book on flowers actually.  I hear you too...things do feel inappropriate when taken out of context when you understand the context first.  This is true of many things.  When you go to the source (the origin) it makes everything else feel cheap and petty.  But if you never had the foundation of the source then you'd work your way towards it, rather than away from it.  As much as it's almost always better to start with the source, it rarely happens!  So again, as I said in the previous post you welcome people where they are and try and deepen awareness!

 

obviously, i far prefer the barnard, and want to read more of him (and bach himself, too-- is barnard's collected writings of bach a worthwhile purchase, panserbjorn, do you think? vs just reading 12 healers online?) which of his other books would you recommend? "healing herbs" or "a guide"? are they distinct enough to warrant having both?

they're all good, but there is overlap.  I love reading what Barnard has to say because he's a direct line to the legacy.  It's of course imperative to read Bach's works, but then I look to Barnard, NOT the Bach institute.

well, bach is next then! i think i'll try and get the collected writings, because i found myself wanting more each time barnard quoted him. fascinating about the divide with the institute. barnard, imo, presents it.. diplomatically in the text. he's very.... english. ;-)

Oh yes, VERY British.  But he did sue Nelson's and won!  So he's got fight in him.  LOL.  Definitely read Bach though.  No question.  Best to get info from the horses mouth and then assimilate the other ways people have interpreted it!


 


I love that you're loving this!

 

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exactly. it's great to hear someone write about add, depression, addiction, etc... and how FEs are helpful. yes, she's totally ignoring "why" they are, but i'd personally prefer to see them used than "drugs".... 

 

i am for some reason in a phase where i just want to drift/float/be in the mist with... the spiritual aspects of the flowers. i tend that way organically, but i'm really feeling the pull at the moment. like everything else is too harsh at the moment. i think i need aspen. lol. actually, i've been thinking about aspen... i had planned a trip to the mountains, but found out we wont be able to go, and the thing i really "needed" was to sit with my favorite trees... to feel those quaking leaves. dare i treat myself with one drop of it in my water today? i've got such a good thing going with my centaury/silica combo, i'm wary of disrupting it, but i'm wanting a special "treat" (what does it say i want FEs rather than chocolate? lol!)

 

interesting thought.... aspen and sensory processing disorder.... since aspen has that vibration... and spd can be helped by rubbing...?? hmmm. i'd been thinking of it as a good filtering FE....

 

i think the most amazing thing about the barnard book is that it really opened me up to see different ways of using the 38. i really feel like i could find wonderful uses for all of them.... which reminds me-- once, panserbjorn, you mentioned a FE that helped diabetics. was that by any chance agrimony? popped into my head as i was reading it..... reminded me of what you said, and i wondered?

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I love that you're loving this!

 


i am loving it! and it helps to have someone who loves that, too! dh asked me where you are. i think he wants to send me to you. lol.

 

yes, barnard has fight. i feel like he did it for bach, kwim? and there's clearly something there about nora. i just about dropped the book when he said bach planted honeysuckle at the cottage. i really want a movie. 

 

the thing about starting at the source.... yes! i have been thinking that i am really glad (almost grateful) that i "got in" the way i did. meaning, trying all sorts of FEs/combos/etc... even though i was sort of resenting it earlier-- because i am experiencing it at a much deeper level, coming to the barnard/bach now. it feels amazing. 

 

(eta: (it's almost like we're having the homeopathy conversation again....)

yes, but you see how the divide exists across multiple modalities too, which is good. 

& it feels good to "get".... it really helps-- and it is helping me to develop something i know i need-- how to talk to people about them, from different perspectives, if that makes sense....)

 

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i am for some reason in a phase where i just want to drift/float/be in the mist with... the spiritual aspects of the flowers. i tend that way organically, but i'm really feeling the pull at the moment. like everything else is too harsh at the moment. i think i need aspen. lol. actually, i've been thinking about aspen... i had planned a trip to the mountains, but found out we wont be able to go, and the thing i really "needed" was to sit with my favorite trees... to feel those quaking leaves. dare i treat myself with one drop of it in my water today? i've got such a good thing going with my centaury/silica combo, i'm wary of disrupting it, but i'm wanting a special "treat" (what does it say i want FEs rather than chocolate? lol!)

hilarious!  I think though you could try it.  Centaury, many will say, is more fragile and sensitive even than aspen.  however if you're called to taking it, perhaps stop the centaury and see what aspen does for you.

 

interesting thought.... aspen and sensory processing disorder.... since aspen has that vibration... and spd can be helped by rubbing...?? hmmm. i'd been thinking of it as a good filtering FE....

it can be, as can walnut, wild oat, vine, cherry plum etc.

 

i think the most amazing thing about the barnard book is that it really opened me up to see different ways of using the 38. i really feel like i could find wonderful uses for all of them.... which reminds me-- once, panserbjorn, you mentioned a FE that helped diabetics. was that by any chance agrimony? popped into my head as i was reading it..... reminded me of what you said, and i wondered?

of the english, agrimony, beech, impatiens, willow, and scleranthus are the ones I'd consider for the picture that presents with diabetes.  However I will say that I have found peach flower tea tree to be excellent for this particular issue.


HTH!

 

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Centaury, many will say, is more fragile and sensitive even than aspen.  however if you're called to taking it, perhaps stop the centaury and see what aspen does for you.
that's interesting! i'm mainly being emotional about not getting to go visit my trees this weekend. i can not imagine stopping the centaury! lol.
 

of the english, agrimony, beech, impatiens, willow, and scleranthus are the ones I'd consider for the picture that presents with diabetes.  However I will say that I have found peach flower tea tree to be excellent for this particular issue.

ah. agrimony jumped out at me for a couple reasons-- one was the root storing sugar. peach flower.... ahh, the ABFEs. i'm holding myself back from getting lost in them, but i have peeked... the website itself doesnt give much info on the FEs, and certainly not the slant you and others put on them-- where do you get the info? a book? 

 

 

 

does anyone have any FEs they have loved for grief? especially of the unexpected/didnt know what he had til it was gone sort ?
 

 

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I stumbled across a company that is local to me called "Self-Heal" - probably not by coincidence ;-)   They would be my local dealers for FES and Bach   and they have a line of flower essences developed from plants of the Canadian prairies and north called Prairie Deva Flower Essences.    I am wondering if anyone has heard of or used these?

 

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I haven't heard of these but as a fellow Canadian...I want to know more! I think it is a great way to connect with our local environment (although granted I am not in the Prairies). I am certainly going to check these out...wonder how much shipping would be across provinces...haha!

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those flowers are so beautiful! ahhhh. just looking at the pictures is calming, soothing..... 

 

but, really, is ocotillo a native plant to canada? lol! loved this:

 

"Ocotillo flower essence is, of course, prepared with tequila"

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eta: i just had to look up some arizona FEs and what they say about ocotillo, and it's so different, it fascinates me. panserbjorn, any insight into why that's true?

 

i cant link directly to the canadian ocotillo, but here's a quote:

"Ocotillo flower essence is related to the soul experience of forgetfulness and timelessness."

 

and here's the link to the arizona one. 

a quote: "If we have subconscious or unexpressed feelings that erupt in uncontrolled ways, Ocotillo gives insight into and acceptance of our emotions without feeling victimized by them."

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does anyone have any FEs they have loved for grief? especially of the unexpected/didnt know what he had til it was gone sort ?
 

 

 

Yes, Grief Relief flourish formula by FES... EXACTLY as you described... unexpected, didn't even know it was there... Although, I cannot really say "till it was gone"... I woke up to it in the midst and worked through it with Grief Relief and lungwort (Range of Light). Lungwort is amazingly beautiful for me! love.gif

 

Grief Relief helped me process it. Lungwort is moving me way past it, if that makes any sense.
 

 

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Will be back to reply more, but had to respond....
 

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those flowers are so beautiful! ahhhh. just looking at the pictures is calming, soothing..... 

 

but, really, is ocotillo a native plant to canada? lol! loved this:

 

Yes, of course ocotillo is authentically Canadian.

 

Snowbirds.  Half our population (more or less) winters in Arizona.  You had not heard that we had officially colonized  large portions of your state and adopted the ocotillo as a native plant?   winky.gif

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Morning:)  Still here, still trying to catch up with you all.  Just wanted to say I love this thread!!!

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Morning:)  Just wanted to say I love this thread!!!



me too!

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sunny, i didnt even think about the flourish spray. i dont know that this particular person would feel... uh, "cool"... taking that. i was kind of thinking there might be an ABFE? sudden and very traumatic loss, totally unexpected... dawning realization of the not fully realized importance of the person now gone. 

 

aubergine, ha! yes, i've noticed a huge number of canadian plates. we were at a "flea market" a couple weekends ago, and i've never seen so many canadian plates, even when i lived in WA state! (of course, why would any canadian go to WA, lol.) <eta--car plates, not plate plates, lol>

 

i lurve this thread too! :-)

 

so, no insight on the total difference in meaning of the same flower from two sources? i'm totally intrigued. since it's a plant i know well, i might muse on it and see what *i* think of it..... that would be a fun activity. there's one in my neighbor's yard..... 

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I'd look at red suva frangipani from ABFE. 

 

As far as different meanings...there can be a variety of reasons for that. 

 

1. it has both actions (and more)  Thing is while red suva frangipani is "for initial grief" it has 47 rubrics.  Yes there may be some overlap...but there are many different ways of describing it's actions/indications.  Does that make sense?

 

2. they are looking at different varieties of the same flower, which can change things a bit.

 

3. different people interpreting the same information are going to describe it differently.

 

4. the focus of the people delivering the information is very different.

 

There are more, but you can see why different companies producing the same essence might be giving different explanations.

 

ETA-for clarity's sake: when reading different descriptions I always try to extrapolate what they're saying and find the overlap.  A good book can have 20 pages written on one essence and all of it's facets.  Most blurbs are condensing things to one sentence.  Extrapolation becomes necessary at that point!

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NAK...

 

I agree that those variables you mentioned, PB, would have ahuge effect on the vibrations of the flowers. I also feel that the location and environment can greatly affect the vibes of the flowers: rocky hot desert, or open prairie? Wild-harvested or cultivated?  Tequila or Brandy ? lol The environment has a lot to do with the appearance of a flower and if you subscribe to Matthew Wood's "Doctrine of Signatures" theory that plants very often resemble the parts of the body/mind they have affinities for, than different descriptions for the same essences in different locales totally makes sense. When searching for environments of the Canadian Occotillo I could only find descriptions of the Arizona environment. Could any of you Canadians describe the type of environment it grows in in Canada? Would love to study more about the ocotillo and its different enviros to see more insight into this flower...

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NAK...

 

I agree that those variables you mentioned, PB, would have ahuge effect on the vibrations of the flowers. I also feel that the location and environment can greatly affect the vibes of the flowers: rocky hot desert, or open prairie? Wild-harvested or cultivated?  Tequila or Brandy ? lol The environment has a lot to do with the appearance of a flower and if you subscribe to Matthew Wood's "Doctrine of Signatures" theory that plants very often resemble the parts of the body/mind they have affinities for, than different descriptions for the same essences in different locales totally makes sense. When searching for environments of the Canadian Occotillo I could only find descriptions of the Arizona environment. Could any of you Canadians describe the type of environment it grows in in Canada? Would love to study more about the ocotillo and its different enviros to see more insight into this flower...

yup, true too.  there are many reasons.  and while I LOVE Matthew Wood, the doctrine of signatures is something that goes back many, many centuries with Paracelsus (I believe) being the first to write anything on it which was in the 16th century.  Even then I'm not sure he was not the originator of the theory.  This stuff has roots!
 

 

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and here's the link to the arizona one. 

a quote: "If we have subconscious or unexpressed feelings that erupt in uncontrolled ways, Ocotillo gives insight into and acceptance of our emotions without feeling victimized by them."



now, *that* is me at times. the erupting part.

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yup, true too.  there are many reasons.  and while I LOVE Matthew Wood, the doctrine of signatures is something that goes back many, many centuries with Paracelsus (I believe) being the first to write anything on it which was in the 16th century.  Even then I'm not sure he was not the originator of the theory.  This stuff has roots!
 

 



Yes, I'm sure it goes way back before Paracelsus. Anyway no matter who thought of it, the theory is blowing my mind right now after just coming upon it myself. I'm turning into a total Matthew Wood groupie! lol I've been wanting to take a class from him, even before I read this book, for quite some time as he lives in my state...I will get to see him at Rootstalk in September tho! But anyway enough off topic...love.gif

 

Last week I had been truckin along taking one FE  a day seeing which ones truly resonated with me before making myself into a big bouquet everyday. Everything was going along swimmingly for a couple of days until the day I took Star Tulip by itself. I had initially chose that one in order to stay more meditative and in touch with myself as well as higher realms. I also was using it in order to hopefully dream a little more lucidly. I drank a glass of it the night before and that night I slept HARD. It was such a deep sleep that I am not used to, It was almost impossible to wake up the next morning. That morning I did some studying of Star Tulip, its habitat, deep gazing into the flower. Much of the day i felt I was standing/swaying in one place while being windblown/wave-swept...if that makes any sense. But I also felt myself being wildly impatient, could see old anger patterns erupting and didn't/couldn't do anything about it... Ever since that night I haven't really wanted to take star tulip again. Could that reaction have been an example of something getting worse before it gets better? or should I just ditch the star tulip? any opinions anyone?

 

Other than that my issues have been shifting noticeably and I know moreso than if I were working on them without the flowers. New and beautiful pathways are being etched into my brain and I am feeling so grateful! My biggest issues: intimacy/sex and anger/impatience have been working themselves out well, especially the intimacy part. I am very slowly getting into a part of myself where I can trust and love someone. The anger/impatience is a much more deep rooted issue that is going to take some more digging...

 

Anyway, I feel like being a bouquet today so I am gonna go play!joy.gif

 

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