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post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
I really think it depends on what AP means to you.

Women who follow the "attachement martyring" philosophy (which seems to require that no one but them be responsible for their children, 24/7 and that leaving them with anyone - including a partner - represents a mother's ultimate failure), tend to fall into the camp who extol the virtues of self-sacrificing in the name of AP.

I'm not in that camp. I think that any way you do it, being a parent requires self-sacrifice. At least for the first few years you give up your sleep, your free time, and in many cases, your sense of self. I think this is true whether you are "AP" or "mainstream."

I think that parents can do a lot of the "AP" stuff without feeling as if they are sacrificing more (or everything). A lot of it comes down to having a support system and being willing to take advantage of it.

Women who believe their partners are incompetent or not to be trusted with their own children are going to end up doing a lot more sacrificing than women like me who, sure, nursed on demand, but also took time for myself, knowing that my babies were with their loving other parent.

No matter what you do, parenting is going to result in burn-out to some degree. But I think that results less from the parenting philosophy you subscribe to than from your support system or lack thereof.



AP isn't a checklist of things to do. It's about a general philosophy of raising kids in a respectful and loving manner while, at the same time, teaching them to be respectful of others. My goal is, quite simply, to raise compassionate, loving, well-adjusted children.

I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything to achieve this. Sure, there's some sacrifice in raising children, but this sacrifice applies to all parents save for the grossly negligent or abusive. My style of AP makes me no more of a martyr than my mainstream friends. Perhaps the biggest way I've come about this is to let go of the guilt.

Both DH and I work full-time out of the home. We split baby care evenly, as do we household chores. Due to work schedules, though, DH actually has more time alone with DD than I do. Fridays are their "bonding" days. My DH is a fabulous father and I do not feel one iota of guilt when I'm at work and she's at home with him. I have no problem leaving DD at home with him on the weekends, either, when I'd like to go out and shop or have lunch with a friend.

I give a lot to DD but I do not sacrifice my self to achieve this. During the last year of nursing (DD weaned at 28 mos), I had no qualms about telling DD she couldn't nurse at the moment because I was in the middle of doing something. I still met her needs but she also learned patience and the respect for my needs too. She moved into her own bed in her own room at 1 year because, quite frankly, the all-night nursing sessions were driving me nuts and I wasn't sleeping well. She transitioned just fine and, as I said above, went on to nurse another year and a half.

Now as a toddler, she's gotten challenging in other ways. She's in a phase where she's very rigid about which parent does what. Some days, she wants me to give her a bath. That's fine, except sometimes I'm busy doing something (cooking dinner, cleaning up, sometimes just relaxing, etc). We gently let her know that DH will give her a bath. Sometimes she accepts it, sometimes not. We are always kind and gentle to her but that doesn't mean I'm going to drop everything I'm doing simply because she wants me to do whatever it is. (Things like comforting when hurt or upset are different.)

This balance has worked well for our family. I feel that all of us are getting our needs met in the gentlest way possible. When DD was an infant she got much more of my attention because that was developmentally appropriate, but now that she's a toddler I feel that it's perfectly acceptable to help her learn to integrate our needs into her own.
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by Amila View Post
In a word, yes.
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post #23 of 32
In my opinion, No.

Any parent who loves and cares for his/her child will self sacrifice and strive to make the best decisions. I 've been posting on forums for two years now, and I still don't think there is such a thing as an AP parent or a mainstream parent, it's just artificial pigeon holing.

How I went about getting my child to sleep; and for how long; was an interaction, a delicate dance between my perception of where he was developmentally and what was needed in a given circumstance. Now that he's two I can't even remember at what age he slept through the night, or how it came about. It just did. I am convinced that I have sacrificed as much as any mother. I could not BF my son, and I fought tooth and nail to. I am convinced that any extended BF'er did not sacrifice more than I. My child started FT daycare at three months of age. That was the result of a careful balance of research, selection, and care..all of that fed into that decision. I was the primary bread winner in the family, and now i"m a single mom (My ex up and left me for another woman). So no, I dont' think any mom who happens not to use daycare has sacrificed more than I. Her context/situation simply called for a different choice/decision.

I'm not even sure what is meant by AP. I'm a phD in developmental psychology and know quite a bit about infant attachment, but this label still defies my understanding. My prayer is that such designations do not divide mothers. There is a part of me that does not want to care if I'm pigeon holed as a mainstream mother, but the other part of me rebels against that label..because it is a label that glosses over the complexity of who I am and the decisions I have made. I think it encourages prejudgement of others to apply these labels. If someone says to you "my friend is a mainstream mom"; that already evokes preconceived notions of behaviors that are associated with such a label..all of which may be untrue. For all we know, that mom who sleep trained her son may have dedicated blood sweat and tears so that baby could be more rested at night and thus learn more during the day. For all we know she also cloth diapers. I love this site and this forum, but I do not love this label.
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by LuckyMommaToo View Post
Compared to my less-AP friends, I feel like AP involves a lot of self-sacrifice. Breastfeeding on demand, cosleeping, gentle discipline -- all of these things seem to take a lot more time and energy than the alternative (at least based on what my experience with my group of friends has been).
For me, I breastfed, coslept, wore my baby not only because I knew it was good for my kids, but because I'm an extremely lazy mom. Whenever my baby was hungry, everything was right there... no bottles, no carrying a bag filled with feeding supplies. I coslept because I didn't have to get up in the middle of the night to feed my baby or to comfort them back to sleep. I couldn't imagine the people that were up all hours of the night making bottles and rocking babies back to sleep! I used a sling because it made life so much easier, I could do laundry, I could eat, I could shop and have my boob in easy access and hands free. I wasn't sure how people who didn't use a sling were able to get anything done!

So, IMO, AP is much more selfish and less self-sacrificing than non-AP parenting!
post #25 of 32
hahaha! :

I think of sacrifice in terms of me giving up something I don't really want to give up. I am not making any sacrifices for my children. I am very happy being a stay at home mom, wearing my baby, nursing on demand, cosleeping, snuggling a lot, etc. It makes me happy. No sacrifices at all here.

And, I am lazy, too. But, I do think this type of parenting is best for my kids, my laziness aside. I look at it like this: I found my calling.
post #26 of 32
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Originally Posted by wemoon View Post
For me, I breastfed, coslept, wore my baby not only because I knew it was good for my kids, but because I'm an extremely lazy mom. Whenever my baby was hungry, everything was right there... no bottles, no carrying a bag filled with feeding supplies. I coslept because I didn't have to get up in the middle of the night to feed my baby or to comfort them back to sleep. I couldn't imagine the people that were up all hours of the night making bottles and rocking babies back to sleep! I used a sling because it made life so much easier, I could do laundry, I could eat, I could shop and have my boob in easy access and hands free. I wasn't sure how people who didn't use a sling were able to get anything done!

So, IMO, AP is much more selfish and less self-sacrificing than non-AP parenting!
: Seriously, though, I think it's all about personality and your predisposition. For some parents, it's a lot easier to do CIO & scheduling, but I got severely stressed out when I read The Baby Whisperer while pregnant because I couldn't imagine being that organized with just myself, let alone with a baby. Also, I think it's easy to think that other parents have it easier, but I think that parenting is hard no matter how you do it. I think that sometimes it just looks easier from the outside. Also, many parents (myself included every once in awhile) lie about how things are going or what their child does because there's so much pressure to have a baby who sttn, etc.
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy View Post

I think of sacrifice in terms of me giving up something I don't really want to give up. I am not making any sacrifices for my children.
That's how I feel. I haven't given up anything I didn't want to give up, and doing things like breastfeeding have allowed me to continue enjoying the stuff I loved pre-baby.

Having a child on a schedule and dealing with bottles, bedtime routines, etc seems like a nightmare. That stuff would have totally messed up my life.
post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by wemoon View Post
For me, I breastfed, coslept, wore my baby not only because I knew it was good for my kids, but because I'm an extremely lazy mom. Whenever my baby was hungry, everything was right there... no bottles, no carrying a bag filled with feeding supplies. I coslept because I didn't have to get up in the middle of the night to feed my baby or to comfort them back to sleep. I couldn't imagine the people that were up all hours of the night making bottles and rocking babies back to sleep! I used a sling because it made life so much easier, I could do laundry, I could eat, I could shop and have my boob in easy access and hands free. I wasn't sure how people who didn't use a sling were able to get anything done!

So, IMO, AP is much more selfish and less self-sacrificing than non-AP parenting!
Well, that's easy to say if you don't have problems bfing or cosleeping or babywearing or whatever. We had severe bfing problems--did it require self-sacrifice to keep nursing? You bet it did. It sucked everything out of me; I was in agonizing pain, I was angry, I was depressed, I was miserable. It was hard for me to leave the house, b/c even putting on a shirt caused me pain. Dd refused to take a bottle of expressed milk, no matter what we did, so I could never leave her with anyone for more than 2-3 hours. B/c of our many nursing problems, we were never able to nurse lying down or without some light (I had to see to latch her on properly)--so I could never sleep through night nursing and often was too wide awake when she was done to go back to sleep at all. Nursing my child and meeting her needs was incredibly important to me, but the result was that for about her first 6 months I was not anything approaching human, and it took much longer than that for me to feel like I had anything that was my own.

Would it have involved less self-sacrifice for me to get her on 100% formula at 6 weeks, as friends and some family advised; to let her CIO at 3 months instead of waking 6-8 times a night and having to actually get up to feed her for over a year; to leave her with some bottles and grandma for days at a time so I could travel with my dh--of course it would have. For me, AP has been incredibly difficult, much more so in contrast to some "mainstream" members of my family.

That said, I wouldn't change what I did. My dd is the happiest, most delightful toddler you'll ever meet--people comment all the time on how happy she is, how much she smiles, how easy-going she is. I don't know if her personality was hardwired or if the way we parented had something to do with it, but I'd like to think that it's at least in part the latter. At the very least, I find it easier to live with my decisions having NOT compromised my values than I would have otherwise. But easy? Not at all. Self-sacrifice? Oh, yeah--like you wouldn't believe. Dh and I have decided, for many reasons, that dd will be an only child. We simply couldn't survive doing this again.
post #29 of 32
I think that a lot of the practices we call "mainstream" are advised to parents by people (friends, family, doctors, authors) who are working under the assumption that the parents' goal is to return to their previous lifestyle as much, and as quickly, as possible.

Every second of my life is changed since DS was born. He is very high needs. So, our needs ARE in competition with each other. He needs to be constantly in motion or intensely stimulated. I need to stand still sometimes.

I do feel somewhat like a martyr. I agree that others aren't stepping up to help enough.

I've been reducing what I ask of DH because he doesn't handle it well. He is much more sensitive to stress, lack of sleep, lack of free/play time. He breaks down pretty quickly. Every time I ask him to carry some of my load, I feel like I pay for it 10 times over in the following days because DH is so much less functional. I need him to be functional for when I occasionally reach the breaking point and can't go on another second. Recently, even with me and DS leaving him completely alone, I feel like DH is sliding backwards. He was very sick recently, and he also seems to be sleeping badly. I can't ask him to take the baby so I can get an hour of sleep.

MIL is helpful, but she can't be here anywhere near as often as I need her. I can't expect her to. SHE didn't sign up to have every second of her life changed. My parents do more harm than good. They get him all worked up, then I have to try to calm him down.
post #30 of 32
I think it does, but I don't get why. I mean, personally, a lot of the things I do are out of convenience.

For instance, breastfeeding. It is better and I'd never do it any other way, but it's also much easier.

Co-sleeping is better for the child, yes, but one of the main reasons I'm going to do it is so I don't have to get out of bed and can get more sleep
post #31 of 32
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post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by wemoon View Post
For me, I breastfed, coslept, wore my baby not only because I knew it was good for my kids, but because I'm an extremely lazy mom. Whenever my baby was hungry, everything was right there... no bottles, no carrying a bag filled with feeding supplies. I coslept because I didn't have to get up in the middle of the night to feed my baby or to comfort them back to sleep. I couldn't imagine the people that were up all hours of the night making bottles and rocking babies back to sleep! I used a sling because it made life so much easier, I could do laundry, I could eat, I could shop and have my boob in easy access and hands free. I wasn't sure how people who didn't use a sling were able to get anything done!

So, IMO, AP is much more selfish and less self-sacrificing than non-AP parenting!
This was TOTALLY me, too. I wouldn't call myself "lazy", but I really didn't see the point in making things harder than they needed to be, that's for sure. Co-sleeping and slinging and b-feeding on demand were the easiest solutions to meet everyone's needs, mine included.



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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
I believe that the parent/child relationship is symbiotic, not parasitic. Neither is subordinate. Both are benefiting. I have gained significantly (growth and development, and joy) from being in relationship with our child. I feel our child has probably gained as much. Motherhood has not entailed martyrdom, for me. I believe that our needs/wants/desires are not in competition. There are abundant possible paths to meeting our needs, ime.
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ANd, as usual, a big HECK YES to anything Zinemama writes, but that goes without saying
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