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post #21 of 34
I wouldn't worry about the headrest - without a host, the lice will starve. A go with the vacuum cleaner ought to be enough.
Here's another interesting (scientific) article on lice and the use of essential oils to get rid of them:
http://www.wingedseed.com/Agora/Lice_page.htm
post #22 of 34
Yes, solitary confinement for a few days is all you need to kill them. Lice are MUCH easier to kill and get rid of then bed bugs.

Put things in a black trash bag and tie it tight. No need to wash and dry everything for lice critters. Starving is efficient enough. Now if you had bed bugs it would be an entirely different animal.
post #23 of 34
Thread Starter 
The article on the use of essential oils for combating lice was really interesting. I love the fact that they actually conducted tests to see what oils and in what formulations and concentrations were successful. We found an over-the-counter treatment that uses sodium chloride (salt) as the active de-louser. Apparently, salt acts as a dessicant, drying both the lice and their eggs out; however, merely sprinkling table salt on your head wouldn't work. The lice and nits need to be in direct contact with the salt for a prolonged period of time. The thick, biscotti-scented gel-like solution keeps the lice (and eggs) suspended and immobile -- then does its stuff. It also has a good deal of anise oil in it -- which, according to the article thoughtfully posted by Terrilein (Thank you!) works well for killing both lice AND eggs. It can also be used several times in succession without fear of damaging or harming your child or of the solution losing its efficacy due to insect immunity, since it doesn't contain any insecticides. I've also been using tea tree oil in every load of wash and put a little around my hair line at the nape of my neck (some got on my hands while I was putting it in the washing machine, so I figured -- why waste it? and rubbed it on the back of my head).

Last night, before going to bed, my husband combed through my whole head again -- and found just 1 nit (he doesn't have the greatest eyesight, however). I kept combing through my dd's head throughout the day. By bedtime, I was still finding a nit here and there, but no signs of their mommies or daddies. The nits were also further down on the hair shaft -- not at the 1 cm or so that most articles I've read say they usually are -- don't know what that means, if anything.

I don't want to count my lice before they're hatched, but this stuff seems to work. My dd's new school did allow her to come in today, but on the condition that her head be inspected before she would be allowed in the classroom. We were told the presence of any lice would mean she would have to return home and we'd need to try again. After inspecting her head, the nurse asked me if we were certain she's actually had lice. That made me feel good ----- though I still can't stop itching!!!!! I know most of it's in my head - ha! ha!
post #24 of 34
Check out the Robicomb!!!! Google it, it's fantastic!!!! It zaps and kills tiny little nymphs right after hatching and it's soooo easy to use. Much less traumatic than nit combing daily. I continue to use it "preventatively" every week or so cuz there is still lice in dd's class.
post #25 of 34
I was going to post the Robicomb too!
Here's the link to the Robicomb
post #26 of 34
Thread Starter 
Does it really work?
post #27 of 34
Like magic. Seriously. It gets little tiny just-hatched nymphs that you would otherwise NEVER see. So if you miss one nit, and it hatches, you've got it. I'm amazed at how well it work.

And no, I have no affiliation with robicomb!
post #28 of 34
Mama, It sounds like I'm already too late to give this advice but for those who read this (in the future) for the advice I would caution against informing everyone you know about the infestation. If a child did get them from your dd they would already know. The only knowledge they'd gain is who from. If another infestation broke out, you could be a target for blame. And other parents may always be wary or on the lookout long after the problem (ie: "don't share your hat with ___", "don't play too close to ____", etc.)...

I don't mean to sound mean or paranoid but I've seen this happen to other kids.

Dd's school gives out discreet notices to parents when a child is found to have ukus for this very reason. I don't even think the teacher knows. We all get general notices from school all the time warning there is an uku outbreak, to check our children's hair daily, etc. Dd never knows who it is, she just knows if it's someone in her class... the child is protected (and I agree w/it whole-heartedly, to protect the child).
post #29 of 34
Another vote for olive oil here.

DD picked up head lice at camp this past summer, and it was a nightmare. Every time I thought they were gone I'd get a nasty surprise while doing her hair one morning. The over the counter things, like Nix or Rid, did not work.

I covered DD's hair and scalp in olive oil every two or three nights for two weeks and continued combing and checking regularly during this time. Based on what I learned about the life cycle of the lice, I figured this should kill all adult lice, preventing the laying of any more eggs, and then continue to kill any new ones that hatched.

I tried not to be too paranoid about the house and the car, but at the end of our ordeal, when I was almost sure it was gone, we went away for a week and I knew when I returned there would be no live lice in my home since they can't survive away from a human host for more than a couple of days. The vacation had already been planned but the timing was perfect.

For future prevention, I do the following - only wash her hair once a week, since they can't really cling to dirty hair very well, and when we do wash it, we use TheraNeem shampoo. Do a search on head lice and neem oil, it's really interesting. I almost never let her wear her hair down to school, and have her store her jacket and hat in her backpack, not on the closet hook at school. Plus I do a casual check of her head once a week. It would have been way easier to get rid of if I had caught it early the first time.

My most recent paranoia is about hair salons, though - I know they disinfect their combs in that blue liquid, but who knows what that does - and the brushes seem to be used on one client after another. Is it just me, or is this a BAD idea, especially in a children's salon?
post #30 of 34
Thread Starter 
Well, we're now 3 days past finding out about the lice. Last night I applied another "treatment" and combed through dd's head. Again, no lice -- just a few nits -- less than 10. This morning, while she was at school, I treated myself again and found no lice, just 3-4 nits. I'm hoping they were "de-activated" as the gel stuff is supposed to kill the eggs as well. I've been washing her sheets and coat in super hot water with tea tree oil every day and drying them on the highest setting the dryer has for about 40-60 minutes afterward. We also vacuumed the car out and vacuum the mattresses and couch daily. She also wears different pajamas each night and I'll nit-pick again after dinner. When can I breathe a sigh of relief? Ever?
post #31 of 34
Lice can't live off a human head for long. I think you can probably stop laundering.

My dd had it this summer. We did not use chemicals, nor olive oil, nor mayonnaise (ick) or anything else. We conditioned it every night and combed it with a lice comb until they were gone and it worked just fine.
post #32 of 34
Just curious, granolalight, in case I ever have to deal with lice again, for how long did you do the conditioner/comb thing? And about how long would you say it took each time? DD's hair is long and thick and to go through it with a nit comb took hours!
post #33 of 34
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Originally Posted by jomomma View Post
Well, we're now 3 days past finding out about the lice. Last night I applied another "treatment" and combed through dd's head. Again, no lice -- just a few nits -- less than 10. This morning, while she was at school, I treated myself again and found no lice, just 3-4 nits. I'm hoping they were "de-activated" as the gel stuff is supposed to kill the eggs as well. I've been washing her sheets and coat in super hot water with tea tree oil every day and drying them on the highest setting the dryer has for about 40-60 minutes afterward. We also vacuumed the car out and vacuum the mattresses and couch daily. She also wears different pajamas each night and I'll nit-pick again after dinner. When can I breathe a sigh of relief? Ever?
You've been way more diligent than I ever was, wow. I usually treated everything just once, then once again after a week or so, and they never returned. I'm surprised you're still finding nits. If you're still finding nits then there is probably still lice (they are really hard to find, and fast) and possibly a source that may still have them (brushes, hairbands, carpet??). You must've had a really bad infestation.

Keep checking for nits but I don't think I'd worry about washing sheets daily (then again, it couldn't hurt anything...except maybe your sanity ). If I had a really bad infestation I think I'd continue to spray over everything (pillows, couch, carpet, etc) with the eo solution daily. I like the advice in the previously-mentioned article about using alcohol in the eo solution, for added assurance (assuming alcohol doesn't damage furniture or carpet???). Or I'd at least definitely add neem to the tto solution. TTO is awesome but ime not as effective as neem. I had forgotten about eucalyptus eo, which is a good addition (especially for the wonderful smell, to help counteract the infirmery smell).

I wouldn't think you'd have to keep doing what you're doing for more than 7-10 days.
post #34 of 34
We just finished dealing with this. I panicking and reacting too insanly tried the RID treatment at first it did nothing. What finially did work was simple conditioner (used suave coconut caus its what I had) and combing lots of combing. I'd coat her hair in the conditioner comb and leave in the conditioner over night morning I'd wash her hair with a TT oil shampoo and add a little conditioner comb again repeat again at night. I saw great inprovment with in 24 hours and totaly gone with in 48 I kept combing at night to prevent reinfestation for about 2 weeks and its now been about a month I do a quick comb weekly JIC.
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