Yes, they are. They both buy seeds from Seminis, which wasn't a problem 'til Monsanto bought Seminis. They're on the other stickied post listing Monsanto-affiliated companies. But, both had reputations as "good" reputable companies prior to that - my mother and I have ordered from both for years and years with good results. I hope they will phase out the Seminis seeds, as Territorial Seeds says they're doing with their Seminis stuff, but they won't know to do that unless we the customer contact them and let them know why our orders are so small or nonexistent now.