Originally Posted by Penelope
Non-mod note here - IMO Christians not only need to be aware of anti-Semitic teachings by Christians, they need to take an active stance against such teachings *in the name of Christianity.* This is similar to saying that even though some verses in Christian scripture support slavery, Christians as a whole need to recognize that slavery is wrong, it is sinful, and it treats other people as less than fully human. In the 21st Century, sure, virtually any Christian could see this, but in the 19th Century, and earlier, many Christians used Biblical texts to defend slavery.
Similarly, Christians need (IMO) to recognize and renounce anti-Semitic verses in the Christain Scriptures, take responsibility for these wrong and misguided teachings, be aware of the historical record of this issue, and renounce anti-Semitism in word and deed.
I am going to be really honest here.
I don't think Xians *need* to do any of this stuff. I think it is great that other people think that, and I think it would be nice if Xians actually did this stuff. But I dont see *why* they would *need* to do it.
I dont know, I am sure this is going to offend people but, if Xian texts, many Xian texts, encourage and promote anti-semitism, and throughout history, almost without cease, violence, expusions, enforced poverty, murder and more have been done to the Jews by official Xian Churches and by Xian people in the name of Xianity, and even if violence is no longer commonly promoted and done by Xians against Jews, anti-semitism is preached in various forms in many places, why should I beleive that Xianity is not inherently anti-semetic?
This is an honest question.
I am definitely not saying that all Xians are anti-semitic, especially not the mamas on this thread many of whom have said some really wonderful things. I also know that Xianity promotes some things that I also value, loveing your fellow man, peace, humbleness, modesty, charity, beleif in G-D. These are really important things. But to me, it *seems* like in addition to all these things Xianity is and has always been anti-semetic.
I am not asking Xianity to change this. I don't know if it is possible.
I am sorry if I have hurt or insulted any one here. This is not personal. It is just the way things *seem* to me.
My understanding of Xianity is based on assuming that it works at least somewhat the way Judaism works. That the books are holy and we dont edit them or change them. For me as a Jew this means that men and women do not play an equal role in anything. I struggled with this for a long time. I was part of Jewish movements that "changed" Judaism to "remedy" this. After much learning, I felt that this was disengenuous. According to Judaism women and men are not the same and they should not do the same stuff. That is not what I was taught in (secular/ feminist) college, but in Judaism the way it has been practiced and passed downby everyone up untill the last 100 years or less, that is the bottom line. And for me, if I do not beleive in the integrity of the system (of Judaism) than what meaning does it really hold for me anyway. I am holding Xianity to the same standard. This may be incorrect.
I also want to make clear that *definitely* not all the Jewish mamas on this thread feel the same way about Judaism as I do. And that the thoughts about Judaism - which are now informing my thoughts on "changing" Xianity- are just that, my thoughts. NOT carved in stone.