Originally Posted by domesticzookeeper
I can only speak for myself. Clarifying what is orthodox Christian doctrine is not in any way
intended to "neutralize the history of christian antisemitism". Not AT ALL, on my part at least, I can assure you.
If anything, it highlights how wrong and COMPLETELY indefensible anti-Semitism is in the heart, mind and mouth of anyone professing to be a Christian. The history of "Christian" anti-Semitism should be both known and grieved, and ongoing anti-Semetic words and actions should be condemned vehemently.
But I simply do not believe that the actions of professing Christians somehow define the doctrines of Christianity.
Originally Posted by gilamama
I am not a historian but from what I understand christian anti-semitism is rooted in 2 ideas in christianity: 1) the jews murdered jesus and they must be revenged 2) the jews are G-d's chosen ppl, G-d desires that they repent, we must help them to do so. AND if they do not repent, then it is better for their souls if we kil them.
Wow, that is some twisted Theology, and I've never heard that espoused in any church.
There was a widely held belief in the earlier church that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death (and that lead to rampant anti-semitism), but that is not a popular doctrine among current scholars (which is not to say that it doesn't exist). I have stated before why I think it's rather ridiculous to both lift up Jesus death as a saving act AND blame someone for doing it. It doesn't work. Either the act was a plan of salvation or not. But you can't both claim it for salvation and blame it as murder (or at least I can't, I know others have).
Also, I have been arguing strongly for anti-semitism as not being consistent with Christianity, but let me go on record as saying that is not a denial that it exists
. I have encountered it myself. But I've primarily seen it in secular society, which I differentiate from "Christianity" because devout religious practice is counter-cultural in many parts of the US, especially in the northeast where I grew up. There is a particular slur that I always thought referred to a person of Japanese descent, that I didn't learn until I was an adult and heard it on some shock jock radio show. My husband had to explain it to me. I realize some people here define dominant American culture as Christian. In some places, the practice of the Christian religion is not a part of dominant culture, even if the holidays still are. I'm the kind of person who takes offense at the bunny and the bearded guy in the red suit symbolizing significant moments in my religion to the rest of the world. I have seen a lot of reverence for the Jewish culture and tradition, and I've seen a lot of ignorance within the church itself. Ignorance can look a lot like prejudice sometimes. The difference is the intention behind it. I know from reading here that I am very ignorant of a lot of Jewish history and tradition, just as I realize that many of the Jewish participants in this thread are not Christianity experts.
|Originally Posted by mom2seven
Am I the only one here who finds this attitude a little disturbing? I'm having a hard time formulating a response, but it's just....disturbing.
I don't think everyone has read what that alluded to. I found it disturbing too.