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My 6 month old has been tentatively diagnosed with a primary immunodeficiency. It's not clear which one he has, and there's a remote chance it's transient due to prematurity, but according to our immunologist and all the pediatric immunology information I've found, his numbers seem out of range even for a preemie. We are moving across the country in a few weeks, and subsequent testing will take place in our new state (colorado).

In case you're interested, his IgA and IgG are low, but his IgM is high. So his immunologist thinks it's probably one of the more complex disorders.

He received all of his 2 month vaccines, as required by our daycare (state regs for licensed in-home daycare). I may have selectively vaxed him if this wasn't a requirement, but I didn't really think about it because it didn't matter.

He didn't get vaxed at 4 months because he got sick 2 weeks after I went back to work (had to go back when he was 9 weeks) and has been sick since. His ped and I agreed it was unwise to vax him with a chronic fever and all his other issues, as we'd never be able to identify a reaction.

So he has his last appointment with local ped next week. The immunologist said that, as he may have one of the more dangerous types of PID, we should decline any live vaccines (in immunodeficient kids, these can make them gravely ill). I know prevnar is one, but I'm not sure what else on the 4/6 month and catch-up schedule would be suspect.

I quit my job to stay home with him when we move because of his medical issues, so state regs for vaxes won't matter when we move.

First question is: which vaxes, and why, would you decline for him at this point? I may decline all, but I'm not comfortable making that decision without researching it first.

Second question: does anyone have any links to info on the specific effects on baby's immunoglobulin levels of breastfeeding? DS does get small amounts of solids or formula supplementation now, but he gets 24-36oz of EBM per day (I EP, he's never nursed effectively). The vast majority of his calores are from EBM. Specifically, I'm curious to know if my milk has a measurable effect on his IgA/IgG/IgM levels that would show up in his lab work. I've looked and looked, but haven't seen anything. I'm wrapping up at my job right now and we're packing to move, so I haven't been able to spend countless hours looking, unfortunately. I figured I'd ask, as there are a crazy number of well-educated mamas around here!

(Also, the reason (in case anyone wonders) he's getting supplemented at all is my supply isn't meeting his needs anymore. He had allergic reactions to milk-based formula in the NICU, and we've yet to find anything that doesn't create the same problems now. He was starting to lose weight (he has swollen lymph nodes throughout his neck that make sucking painful), so we had to up his calories, and he is more than happy to eat from a spoon. I'm explaining all of this in case someone is wondering why I'm giving a kid with all these issues food.)

Thanks in advance for any insight you can give me!
post #2 of 14
I just wanted to ask you, did he get the Hep B vaccine at birth?

You said he got sick at 11 weeks of age.

That would be 3 weeks after the first set of vaccines? Or was he sick before that?
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First- prevnar isn't live.

The live vaxes are : MMR, chickenpox and rotavirus.

I would not give ANY vaccines until you have a better idea what's going on.

Even if you need daycare or school later there are easy exemptions in every state except Mississippi and WV.


good luck!

-Angela
post #4 of 14
It's a primary immunodeficiency....so that would be from birth.



The immunologist just told you to stay away from live vaccines but didn't go any further than that? I would be heavily talking to him/her about this and getting their precise recommendations and then looking at each one from there. I'd be suspect of a immunologist who only gave me the order not to do live and nothing more...
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
I just wanted to ask you, did he get the Hep B vaccine at birth?

You said he got sick at 11 weeks of age.

That would be 3 weeks after the first set of vaccines? Or was he sick before that?

He got Hep B at 12 days of age, I believe, shortly before NICU discharge.

Yes, he got sick at 11 weeks, and he did get his 8 week vaxes- but he also started daycare about a week before getting sick.

By sick, btw: antibiotic-resistant ear infection (ruptured eardrum at least once), serial upper respiratory infections, chronic fever for 3+ months.
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post


First- prevnar isn't live.

The live vaxes are : MMR, chickenpox and rotavirus.
Doh- I totally meant rota. I actually have a CDC chart I was looking at while typing and I wasn't paying attention.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
It's a primary immunodeficiency....so that would be from birth.



The immunologist just told you to stay away from live vaccines but didn't go any further than that? I would be heavily talking to him/her about this and getting their precise recommendations and then looking at each one from there. I'd be suspect of a immunologist who only gave me the order not to do live and nothing more...
She is a general immunologist- she doesn't have a subspecialty in peds, and didn't even know which vaccines were recommended at his age. I get the feeling she was washing her hands of us because we're moving.
post #8 of 14
Oh mama that sucks to have someone treat you like that esp at a time like this. Have you found someone new at your new location? I sent you a PM, this is an issue close to our fam. Where are you moving to? I might be able to give you some names that members of our fam have used and liked.
post #9 of 14
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Thanks Carrie!

I PM'd you back. Thanks for your help!
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by preemiemamarach View Post
Doh- I totally meant rota. I actually have a CDC chart I was looking at while typing and I wasn't paying attention.
Well, in that case, rotavirus has a low cutoff- I don't think you can give it much longer anyway.

-Angela
post #11 of 14
pm ing you
post #12 of 14
Wow. You certainly have a lot on your plate right now.

First and foremost, if you haven't found the Immune Deficiency Foundation's website yet, please check it out ASAP. That has been a tremendous resource for us.

DS has X-linked agammaglobulinemia (his IgG, IgA, and IgM are all low.) We are fortunate to have an awesome immunologist--hopefully you will find a great one in your new home too. You are correct that your DS should avoid all live vaccines (he shouldn't even be around anyone who's gotten a live vaccine, so no one in your family should get them). Whether or not he should get inactivated vaxes will depend on his specific type of immune deficiency (and your personal views on vaxes, of course). Here is an excellent article summing it up. For my DS's type, inactivated vaxes wouldn't do any good. He can't develop any type of response to them and has no immune memory, so we'd be putting crap into his body for no reason.

On that note, one of the tests your new immunologist will probably run will look to see if your DS has antibody response to protein vaxes he may have received. That will help with the diagnosis. Also, if it turns out he should never get any vaxes, your doctor will write a letter to your DS's school/day care/wherever saying he's exempt from the vax rules.

As far as BFing and IG levels, I have no idea either, sorry! I looked for that kind of information but couldn't find anything. But kudos to you for EPing! I know how hard that is.

Whew. Well, best of luck to you. Please PM me if you have any more questions or just want to talk. This is a really, really, really rough situation and I hope it is transient in your case. Take care!
post #13 of 14
Just so you know, you can use the same exemptions for daycare as you do for school. Just submit the letter/form in lieu of vaccinations.
post #14 of 14
Hi, I just came across this thread. Maybe I can help a little. I, personally, have a primary immune deficiency. I am deficient in IgG and IgA. I've spent my life in the hospital but that's a different story and definately not meant to scare you. I was vaccinated at 15 months for MMR and came down with a full blown case of measles. That's about the same time I was diagnosed. Since that time, I have not been vaccinated with any live vaccines and have all kinds of medical exemption forms. I am concerned that I may have passed it to my DD so I am not going to vaccinate her with any of the live vaccines. I've done a ton of research and BFing will pass some of your immunity to the baby so thier levels will actually be falsely elevated. I'm told, that we will not test DD until I'm finished BFing, which is hopefully before kindergarden
HTH!
Kate
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