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Confession from a not so GD mother who wants to change  

post #1 of 6
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Hello all.

My daughter just turned two. We also have a 10 month old as well. I just read an article in the most recent Mothering Mag about gentle discipline. I totally grasped everything the article was explaining. I am not all about punishment. For example, when my daughter does something unintentionally or accidentally there is no punishment (I remember getting punnished for these reasons). If she throws a tantrum, I simply hold her and talk to her. Only the things below we punish for. I think we do this out of fear of loss of control of her. But from the article I understand that she's learning not to do something from punnishment, yes, but only because she fears the punnishment....not because she respects me or anyone else enough not to do it.
Our issues are hitting, biting, pushing, and not shairing toys with her young brother (and other times with other children). If I tell her no twice, she then gets a light "pop" on her diaper from "the spoon" or "time out" which we've quit doing because she thinks it is a joke. I've noticed that yes, Wini does fear the spoon. But, the offenses haven't stopped. If I say "Wini if you don't stop hitting, I'm getting the spoon", she looks scared but she hits anyway. IF I then bring the spoon into her view, she stops but her eyes are filled with fear and anxiety. I just don't feel in my heart that what we're doing is effective. I've feared from the beginning that If I didn't use some type of punnishment that we would lose control of our children and have public out-bursts and things. Any advice?

On the tantrum issue, it totally just makes sense not to discipline her then. If I do, her emotions increase. My husband didn't so much understand that last night when she was freaking out in the tub, declining a bath. I simply took off my clothes and jumped in with her. I held her in my lap until she was ok with it. Then we bathed, she was happy, my husband was at a loss for words and I think a little frustrated at himself for getting so worked up and stating "next time she does that, I'll lose it". I think he's getting it now. I placed the Mothering article next to his bed.

I just need some other options. I hope we haven't hurt her thus far. Is it ok to change now. Will we totally confuse her? I am just glad we're working on this before John Allen begins to do these same things. I hate that Wini has had to be some what of a learning tool.

Help!

From a willing to listen and learn mother,
Kristen Brinkley
post #2 of 6
It is absolutely fine to change your style! The wonderful thing about kids (and one reason they can be hard to figure) is that they live in the moment. Yes, she remembers a little about your "old" ways, and yes, when the threat of punishment is removed, things can temporarily get worse. But in the grand scheme of things, you know in your heart that the old ways don't really work, they just stop (or not) the behavior from being expressed honestly and outwardly. Then the feelings get expressed sideways or in the form of unhappiness.
Your bath example is wonderful! Now, some might say, yeah, but if you do THAT, she'll ALWAYS want to to bathe with her. But is it even true? My experience is, no, it is not true. Children express needs until they are filled, and ultimately, our role as moms is to teach our kids how to fill their OWN cups, figuratively speaking, so that they don't have to spend the rest of their lives finding others to do it for them. KWIM? But they need a blueprint. And the way we treat them, especially our attitude toward them, goes a long way in forming the beliefs they have about themselves. Please read Pam Leo's Connection Parenting and Naomi Aldort's Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves. Both will give you lots and lots of tools, but more importantly, will help you shift to a mindset that allows gentle discipline to flow naturally.
Remember, the past is the past. It is said that a worrier stands looking back at the things in her life she can't change, but a WARRIOR turns around and watches in wonder as her life naturally unfolds.
post #3 of 6
I think its great that you want to change! Its hard to find new models and to put new things into place -- congratulations for taking the first step.

One thing that popped out at me from your post is that your child is 2 -- its really not possible for her to control her impulses very well yet. You can tell this because even if she knows you will hit her, she will still hit her brother. She' can't help it. Please find a book on age-appropriate behavior so you have a better idea of what reasonable expectations are.

While you can't expect her to have great impulse control yet, you can show her a better way to interact with her brother. Show her how to touch gently, how to play with the baby. Intervene BEFORE she starts to hit so you can protect your baby. But if you hit her for hitting him, how much sense does that make? You are showing only that bigger people can hit little people, which is exactly what she's learning!

But it is also true that gentle discpline is different from no discipline. Discipline is teaching, not punishing. You can teach your children to do the right thing. But at 2 and 10 mo., what you are really doing is supervising like crazy, redirecting as soon as things look like they might get out of hand, and showing them what to do by your actions.
post #4 of 6
Congratulations on being willing to change! it takes a big person to even admit There was an excellent show on TV about how children learn empathy, and the studies were showing that children learn empathy from their parents. Therefore why all of the discipline techniques, like time outs, and spanking or hitting or any other type of physical "discipline" don't work. You are basically showing your child that hitting is ok, and yes like you said they don't learn to respect you but to fear you. You can only get respect by showing respect...


An amazing book that is an easy read is Alfie Kohn's "unconditional parenting" or Gordon Neufeld's "Hold on to your Kids" (he also has an amazing DVD called "the Power to Parent".)

it's amazing that you got in the tub with your dd. I went through a period when dd2 was born where I got "tough" with dd. I didn't do any physical discipline but tried to get her to "grow up", she regressed after dd2 was born and all of a sudden couldn't go to the bathroom by herself, was scared to take a bath alone, so many things that drove me nuts. Anyhow, being harsh with her only made it worse! I had to start taking baths with her again, tell her how much I loved her, give her lots of love and kisses etc..

I would suggest when dd hits ds, to overemphasize how sad you are, "oh my ds must be hurt!". My dd2 is also 2 years old and has just started hitting dd1 when she's frustrated. I think at this age they don't know how to express their frustration.

As for sharing toys, you could try having her choose some toys that she doesn't share. Also if you know people are coming over for a playdate, it helps to tell her ahead of time and ask her if there are any special toys she doesn't want to share, and put those away. And explain that she will need to share her other toys.

For sharing with siblings that will be hard because she is so young. I don't think they really understand the concept yet, but usually diverting their attention works, doing something else with her. Or simply saying that ds can play with it for 5 minutes then it's her turn, putting the timer on the stove works well for us. They usually do it for awhile and forget about it and move on to other things.
post #5 of 6
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Thank you all for your reply. Your advice really helps. We've been implementing it and so far so good. She's been, interestingly, nicer! I feel better about this decision and will certianly consider the books you all recommended. I am a big reader.

Sincerely,
Kristen
post #6 of 6
My children are 2 and 10 months as well. Its not easy. I'm learning all the time. Like you, I have an irrational fear of losing control...if I don't deal with a behaviour now it will be like that forever. But I've found that Jacob responds the best when I'm quite, calm and connected to him. I'm enjoying all the ideas. Thanks.
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