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post #81 of 130
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Originally Posted by Nature View Post
Are there families out there that believe its safe to mouth and play with toys that are known to have high levels of lead in them?
if they are recalled toys, they are proven to be unsafe, so no.

but i really dont care what my son is putting in his mouth these days, as long as hes putting something in his mouth.
post #82 of 130
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post


The OP was talking about people who donate the toys after deciding they are not safe for their family.

It isn't about the toys. It isn't about the safety of the toys. It isn't about the beliefs.

It is about the intentions, and the fact that the person donating the toys thinks they are unsafe, but ok for someone else. :
But people are just going to buy the stuff anyway, so it just makes sense to donate it instead of creating more waste. I hate Bratz, I don't want my dd exposed to them or playing with them, I don't think it would be good for her. When she got a bratz doll for a gift instead of throwing it in the garbage, I gave it to a lady I know who has no problem with her dd playing with Bratz. She was going to buy a bratz doll anyway, so why not give her the one I had? I don't think it is immoral at all to give away something that my family isn't comfortable with but other parents are.
post #83 of 130
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
But people are just going to buy the stuff anyway, so it just makes sense to donate it instead of creating more waste. I hate Bratz, I don't want my dd exposed to them or playing with them, I don't think it would be good for her. When she got a bratz doll for a gift instead of throwing it in the garbage, I gave it to a lady I know who has no problem with her dd playing with Bratz. She was going to buy a bratz doll anyway, so why not give her the one I had? I don't think it is immoral at all to give away something that my family isn't comfortable with but other parents are.
Totally OT, but not really... do you ever put down parents that "let" their children play with Bratz dolls, or talk about the morals of others that would purchase those dolls?
post #84 of 130
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
But people are just going to buy the stuff anyway, so it just makes sense to donate it instead of creating more waste. I hate Bratz, I don't want my dd exposed to them or playing with them, I don't think it would be good for her. When she got a bratz doll for a gift instead of throwing it in the garbage, I gave it to a lady I know who has no problem with her dd playing with Bratz. She was going to buy a bratz doll anyway, so why not give her the one I had? I don't think it is immoral at all to give away something that my family isn't comfortable with but other parents are.
But you never said you thought Bratz were dangerous.

You just said you weren't comfortable with them, and gave them to someone you know who is comfortable with them.

Are you uncomfortable with Bratz because of what they teach little girls about body image, or attitudes about women, or are you uncomfortable with them because you think they might contain lead?
post #85 of 130
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Originally Posted by Nature View Post
Totally OT, but not really... do you ever put down parents that "let" their children play with Bratz dolls, or talk about the morals of others that would purchase those dolls?
And you are missing my point as well.

I never said you are immoral if you buy made in China toys.

What I said was if you think they are dangerous, it is immoral to pass them on to someone else.

Huge difference.
post #86 of 130
I totally get what both of you are saying, Bigeyes and Nature, you both make sense but you are both kind of saying two different, yet similar, things. Maybe you should just agree to sort of disagree?

I do find it amusing that Bigeyes' mood is set to "bitchy" and Nature's mood is set to "crabby". *not meaning to make light of your moods, it is just amusing because of your "conversation" here today...
post #87 of 130
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
But people are just going to buy the stuff anyway, so it just makes sense to donate it instead of creating more waste. I hate Bratz, I don't want my dd exposed to them or playing with them, I don't think it would be good for her. When she got a bratz doll for a gift instead of throwing it in the garbage, I gave it to a lady I know who has no problem with her dd playing with Bratz. She was going to buy a bratz doll anyway, so why not give her the one I had? I don't think it is immoral at all to give away something that my family isn't comfortable with but other parents are.
AND... as a bonus- by passing on that bratz, you ensured that one less NEW one was purchased. Perhaps hitting the company in a tiny way in the pocketbook.

-Angela
post #88 of 130
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
And you are missing my point as well.

I never said you are immoral if you buy made in China toys.

What I said was if you think they are dangerous, it is immoral to pass them on to someone else.

Huge difference.
and i still ask..... WHY! just because you think they are dangerous for your family, does not make it so.

Some people belive tv is toxic to their familys, some people ban disney and barbie because they are toxic to a young girls psyche, but it doesnt make it so for the rest of the world. so I fail to see where it is immoral to donate something that you are not using because of your belief system. IMO it is immoral to throw them away.
post #89 of 130
Moderator here, stepping in to remind everyone to keep this debate *friendly* please.

I think everyone agrees that toys that have been recalled should not be donated. They should be sent back to the company that made them or otherwise disposed of (unless the family chooses to ignore the recall and keep the toy for themselves).

I can't see how donating MIC toys that have not been recalled is immoral. Everyone is free to make their own choices for their own families.

I know that I for one feel very strongly about the choices I've made for my family re: toys, but I can't imagine feeling strongly about the choices that other families make in regards to toys.

Please keep the User Agreement in mind when continuing this discussion

Thanks mamas,

Lex
post #90 of 130
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Originally Posted by Nature View Post
Totally OT, but not really... do you ever put down parents that "let" their children play with Bratz dolls, or talk about the morals of others that would purchase those dolls?

I don't care if someone else buys their children Bratz dolls. Not my kids, not my decision. The dolls don't work for my family, but they might work for another one. I can't decide what is morally right for someone else, only for myself. I don't think she has bad morals, just different ones then I do. I also gave away a chicken dance Elmo because I can't stand toys like that. My sister knew someone who was looking for one, so I let her have it. The lady was going to buy one anyway, so I let her have the one I didn't want.
post #91 of 130
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Originally Posted by MissSJ View Post
I do find it amusing that Bigeyes' mood is set to "bitchy" and Nature's mood is set to "crabby".


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post #92 of 130
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
But you never said you thought Bratz were dangerous.

You just said you weren't comfortable with them, and gave them to someone you know who is comfortable with them.

Are you uncomfortable with Bratz because of what they teach little girls about body image, or attitudes about women, or are you uncomfortable with them because you think they might contain lead?

For *me personally* I do not think that they are safe for my dd to play with, I don't like the fact that they take a baby and put lots of make up on it. But my friend has no problem with that, so to her they are safe for her dd to play with. Her family, her choice. Unless they have been recalled, I don't think that they have lead.
post #93 of 130
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Originally Posted by MissSJ View Post
I totally get what both of you are saying, Bigeyes and Nature, you both make sense but you are both kind of saying two different, yet similar, things. Maybe you should just agree to sort of disagree?

I do find it amusing that Bigeyes' mood is set to "bitchy" and Nature's mood is set to "crabby". *not meaning to make light of your moods, it is just amusing because of your "conversation" here today...
Mine has to stay bitchy for all eternity, because they've removed that option. If I change it, I can't get it back.

I'm still waiting on my senior title to show up as requested. Rantastic.
post #94 of 130
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
For *me personally* I do not think that they are safe for my dd to play with, I don't like the fact that they take a baby and put lots of make up on it. But my friend has no problem with that, so to her they are safe for her dd to play with. Her family, her choice. Unless they have been recalled, I don't think that they have lead.
See.

That's what I'm saying. People keep putting words in my mouth. I never said you were immoral for passing something on if you didn't believe it was dangerous.

Note to mods, if you're reading, again, I reiterate, I never said people were immoral for donating. I said people were immoral for donating if they believed the toys were toxic. Nothing disrespectful about it, I'm just tired of people reading something into my words that I didn't say. :
post #95 of 130
but why is it immoral to donate if you and your family perceive them to be dangerous? i still maintain it is more immoral to throw them out instead of donating to someone who believes differently to you.

I think the same thing with formula samples.
post #96 of 130
I think it's not all about the 'dangers' of MIC toys. For some, it's about not supporting a country with "questionable" human rights history. For others, it can be the fad of wooden toys (yes, I'm into wooden toys, too, but it IS also a fad with some people). In those cases, I think it's completely reasonable to donate those toys.
post #97 of 130
I have a similar version of this re car seats. I recently moved my kids from their Brittax convertible seats to a 5 pt. harness booster. 2 of the convertible car seats were seats I bought when DS #1 was born - i.e. 5 years old. I had checked them thru airlines multiple times - which I am now told is a major no-no? And the seats have been thrown up, disassembled and assembled many many times. I put those 2 seats in the trash - as I did NOT think they were safe anymore. I did NOT try to donate them or sell them . . . if the seats aren't safe for my kids - they aren't safe for anyone elses either . . .
post #98 of 130
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Originally Posted by bigeyes View Post
See.

That's what I'm saying. People keep putting words in my mouth. I never said you were immoral for passing something on if you didn't believe it was dangerous.

Note to mods, if you're reading, again, I reiterate, I never said people were immoral for donating. I said people were immoral for donating if they believed the toys were toxic. Nothing disrespectful about it, I'm just tired of people reading something into my words that I didn't say. :

In my family we try to only eat organic fruits and veggies. I believe the regular kind are full of toxins. But my sister has no problem not eating organic produce. When my dh recieved a box of regular fruits for Christmas, I gave them to my sister because for my family organic is the safest way to go. It would have been really wasteful to throw the fruit out when I knew that my sister not only would eat them, but wanted them.
post #99 of 130
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Originally Posted by TripMom View Post
I have a similar version of this re car seats. I recently moved my kids from their Brittax convertible seats to a 5 pt. harness booster. 2 of the convertible car seats were seats I bought when DS #1 was born - i.e. 5 years old. I had checked them thru airlines multiple times - which I am now told is a major no-no? And the seats have been thrown up, disassembled and assembled many many times. I put those 2 seats in the trash - as I did NOT think they were safe anymore. I did NOT try to donate them or sell them . . . if the seats aren't safe for my kids - they aren't safe for anyone elses either . . .
but you were actually right in throwing them out (although, did you cut the straps and smash it with a sledge hammer before disposing, otherwise they wern't really thrown away and someone could be using them right now). It is recommended to never pass on car seats, do not hand them down, or donate them if they are used, its just not supposed to be done, its not a question of beliefs.

toys are not car seats, they are not responsible for saving your childs life in a 60mph head on collision, they are toys.
post #100 of 130
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Originally Posted by wonderwahine View Post
but you were actually right in throwing them out (although, did you cut the straps and smash it with a sledge hammer before disposing, otherwise they wern't really thrown away and someone could be using them right now). It is recommended to never pass on car seats, do not hand them down, or donate them if they are used, its just not supposed to be done, its not a question of beliefs.

toys are not car seats, they are not responsible for saving your childs life in a 60mph head on collision, they are toys.
No. No sledge hammer.
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