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I am so frustrated with the "normal progression" to formula esp. with first time mothers  

post #1 of 6
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Maybe you guys can help me calm down, or remind me that I can't change this, even if I try to -- just one mother at a time.

I have been doing expecting clubs/playgroups both online and IRL for 9 years now. It seems that the only pedi I had heard of saying "your baby is doing JUST FINE on breastmilk" was my own. And with my first I didn't trust him, even when he told me if I cut out dairy my DD would be less fussy and would go longer between feedings. Like a LOT of "un-breast-educated" women I thought my baby wasn't getting enough to eat - with the help of family members (g-ma) LITERALLY chasing me with a sample bottle of formula just INSISTING my baby must be STARVING since she wanted to nurse so often. I fought it, I fought through it and had a happy, healthy baby who nursed well into her 2nd year. Through my own doubts and fears, plus exhaustion, and hideously cracked and sore nipples -- I did it.

Nobody questioned me on my nursing my 2nd chid -- he thrived and I already grew a healthy one before him. Even though I moved 350mi. from that first pedi, I landed in another very PRO-BREASTFEEDING practice. No weight checks or questions just "don't supplement" -- yeah don't worry. He also breastfed into his second year. He was a bit small, yet -- nothing in terms of my milk inadequacy -- but then his doctor practiced in Africa for a few years.

My third came with some issues, and I, like an idiot (with my mom's urging although it was ultimately my choice) supplemented too soon - she refused my breast by 5 mos. I had AWESOME BF support from the local LC at that Navy base. Regardless I learned a big lesson in BF'ing non-support with that child, you see a good friend was EBF'ing her DD who was born ten days after mine. While my child exclusively formula fed by 5 mos up to a year was small in stature - my friend's breastfed baby was the same EXACT SAME SIZE AND WEIGHT and she was literally being forced to bring her baby in for frequent weight checks. She did major nurse-a-thons to increase weight before appt's etc, and at the same time NOBODY SAID A THING TO ME. Different dr's/hospitals -- but STILL.

Come to my fourth child, who I refuse to supplement and I feed on demand. He lost a pound after birth, but yet even his doctor was fine about waiting until his 2nd month for an appt. She did add in "to check his weight gain" but it sounded more like auto-pilot than actual CONCERN.

Sooooo, while I am on the net I find it SO DARN FRUSTRATING to see mother's, especially first-timers, who are forced into bi/tri-daily weight checks and being told their babies (even though they are gaining) must be supplemented. Even when I offer tons of support and basically plead they not supplement - as they themselves report how much they dislike/distrust the doctor's and the weight checks -- they supplement anyway. I try to explain that this will effect their supply and it's like "la la la cant hear you!" And there is always someone or two or three that says "you do what's best for your baby!" (read: as long as YOU dont feel guilty) When what's best hasn't even really been established, and the mom's are scared to be deemed "bad mommy's" because their baby didn't gain by formula fed infant standards. Oh for heaven's sake! Your baby is fine if s/he's gaining! Look at the BABY NOT THE THE SCALE is my new mantra, and said mantra is falling on super big deaf ears. I offer links to articles, to the WHO charts for breastfed babies, etc.

I am on an online strike at this point - I dont want to post at familiar places, I just want to give up. Breastfeeding is so important, and they all "know" this going in. YET, they seem to forget it for a myriad of reasons. At the same time it's shocking how much time and commitment it takes on a first time mother -- breastfed babies certainly dont act as happy and peaceful just gazing at mobiles in their little cribs or what-not in the old fomula company commercials, the bottle commercials, and the diaper commercials. They have growth spurts. They require more time and commitment. They prefer to be held near their mommies and their milk. I was a first time mom once. Heck somedays I want to shake-off when I hand someone else the baby just to get some sense of self back (my baby is only one month old). It's a LOT -- I know. AND it doesn't help that a breastfed infant is instantly handed back to a mother the minute s/he cries. BUT formula fed babies -- well everyone KNOWS the baby is well fed by the visual ounce, so other's work harder to calm a formula fed baby before just handing him/her back to mom to shush her. That does NOT help a mom who reluctantly supplements and then see's/feels fine with supplementing since other's help. Even my DH on his fourth baby will do the mommy shuffle to pass me the baby the very moment he cries.

I also know first hand what it it is to have had two great breastfeeding relationships then lose that with my third, and not even second guess my abilities with my fourth. No, it's not the end of the world, my FF baby has been very healthy, but we missed a lot. She doesn't know it -- but I do.

That's my rant, thanks for listening. Maybe you can offer some advice? Should I just give up on my on-line lactivism, or pray that one woman doesn't give in to the supplementing ?

I know lactivism helped me get through my first six weeks with my first child...that PRIDE in feeding my baby the very BEST FOOD. How do I gently bring that to others?
post #2 of 6
Don't give up on your lactivism, just take a break. Don't read/write to those forums for a little while. Also, concentrate on real life. I think I make the most difference when I am open and matter-of-fact about my breastfeeding experience. I nurse in public comfortably. I talk about nursing when it is relevant to the conbversation, etc. Just by doing this, I influenced a woman at work to nurse beyond 12 months. I am so proud of that.
post #3 of 6
I hear you on the need to take a break. I am currently on hiatus in my intactivist and lactivist activities because as a pregnant mother with hyperemesis it's just too exhausting and depressing to feel like I'm talking to a bunch of brick walls.

I've been home sick for 7 weeks and this week I finally went to prenatal/postpartum aerobics again just for the social aspects...and all of the new babies who were there last time I went are now all being formula fed. Ugh ugh ugh. I don't understand. I just kept my f-ing mouth shut this time. I'll wait until after this new babe is born to give my unsolicited advice again.
post #4 of 6
I don't think you should give up on online lactivism, but if it's too much for you right now then don't do it for a while. You need to nurture yourself before you can give to others, and that includes people on the other end of a messageboard.

Some women are simply not very committed to BF and are looking for any excuse to quit. Many of these women grab at the chance to supplement so they have an "excuse" to stop BF exclusively, and then use that as a means to work towards early weaning.

It's not your personal responsibility to keep anybody exclusively BF- you can inform them of the risks of supplementing, but you can't force them to follow your advice instead of their doctor's or MIL's. Sometimes you need to step back for your own mental health, so you don't take it as a personal failure if your friend decides to feed her baby formula.
post #5 of 6
I heard all that with my first...With my second, I've heard the reverse. Second has massive issues. I swear sometimes they just do the contrary thing to the mom's thoughts/wants/wishes. I love our ped, but he ignored DD's weright gain issues - I wish he'd forced my hand to go all formula much sooner....And Looking at the baby isn't necessarily good. DD looks perfect, but hasn't grown in a few months. She's got chub, but needs a gtube placed. Its hard to know whether moms are getting crap advice or real advice and its impossible to judge over the internet. Maybe her ped sees something she's not mentioning. Mine ignored what I was seeing until DD literally quit growing altogether....even now, hes in denial about the g-tube (HEr gi is not however). Give them the information you have but remember, you are getting one side of the story and have no way of knowing their dr. or anything else going on in the situation.
post #6 of 6
I totally understand where you are coming from. There have been so many times that I feel like I talking to myself or banging my head against a wall. I have friend who is TTC and she told me before she started to that I am to not to "nag" her about breastfeeding, she'll do what she's comfortable with and I am not to make her feel guilty (um...I'm not responsible for your emotions. If you feel guilty, perhaps you should look into the choices you are making, because I can't "make" you feel anything).

Take a bit of a breather. I had to. And now I approach it with this attitude
"Here is the information. Do with it what you will, my part is done in the giving of the information to you. Whether or not you listen is up to you, but it is your baby who deals with the consequences and you have to live with that."
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