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ds told MY cousin that he didn't like her....  

post #1 of 11
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because she yelled at & spanked her kid in front of him.

I went to my cousins house on Saturday for her dd's 7th bday party. Everyone left and it was just me, my cousin, her dd (7) & ds (5), and my ds (5). The kids were in the boys room and were playing a game. The siblings were arguing about how to play the game. My cousin goes in there and gets involved in it saying "it doesn't matter" and getting angry b/c they are arguing. Then I hear the smack. She had spanked the girl b/c "she is the oldest and she should know better than to act like this" (her words).

I get up to go see how my ds is going to react to it (the last time he saw someone get hit he cried). He seemed ok so I let them continue to play. I did tell my cousin though that I was surprised that he did not cry b/c the last time he saw someone get hit he cried and he is not used to that. She said "well, when you have 2 so close in age you have to do something". Basically saying that since I only have one I could not possibly understand.

Later she was asking my ds when he was going to stay the night with them. (not gonna happen!) He said "no, I'm not going to stay the night with you". She asked him why and he said very matter of fact "b/c I don't like you". I was stunned and my jaw dropped open. I took him into the other room and said that it's ok to feel that way but we should probably not say those things out loud b/c we might hurt peoples feelings. I asked him if he would apologize to her and he gave her a very non heartfelt "sorry". I asked him privately why he doesn't like her and he said b/c she yelled at her kids. I asked him if it was b/c of what happened in the bedroom and he said yes. Then my cousin came in and asked him why and he told her b/c she yelled at her kids. I told her that actually I think it's b/c of when she spanked her dd. Her dd was standing right there and said "she didn't spank me". Cousin said "yes I did'. Her dd didn't even remember it so therefore obviously it doesn't do ANY good!!!!!

I talked to ds later and told him I was sorry that he saw her get hit and it's never ok to hit people. It's especially never ok for adults to hit kids. He said "that's why I don't like her". I think it's funny actually and I don't know if it's wrong or not to be ok with him saying what he said. I'm thinking now that I should not have asked him if he would apologize. I just don't know.


What do you think?
post #2 of 11
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She had spanked the girl b/c "she is the oldest and she should know better than to act like this" (her words).
Does she even listen to herself? Because imo SHE is the oldest and should know better than to act like that!

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Basically saying that since I only have one I could not possibly understand.
You know I only have one child and I have to say I feel you here. I get this alot! Like all of a sudden you are a better and wiser parent because you have more children...I dont think so.

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I'm thinking now that I should not have asked him if he would apologize
No matter what the sitation is -I would never ask my son to apologise (let alone make him). This is always up to my child. And surprisingly they learn their 'manners' soon enough if its modeled well for them! My son often says please and thank you and sorry etc - and ive never asked him or made him. If I did - then it would mean nothing coming from him imo. However if I feel sorry (etc) then I simply say it myself - even if I feel its on behalf of my son. ex: 'I am sorry my son took the toy away from you'...etc I do feel there is alot of pressue from other parents though to do this with your children - its around me all the time from many 'mainstream' parents...the 'say you are sorry!' 'Say thank you!' etc coming from the parents as instruction to the child. I am learning to get over it though lol If my son says thank you,sorry, etc...I am very proud as he really then means it instead of a child just doing what they are told to! lol

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I talked to ds later and told him I was sorry that he saw her get hit and it's never ok to hit people. It's especially never ok for adults to hit kids. He said "that's why I don't like her".
I am sure children learn tact in time! lol - But I actually think its very good that your son can speak his mind and stand up for himself and what he feels is right! This shows that he can think for himself and I would be proud if that were my son!
post #3 of 11
I would not have asked my child to apologize. Inside, I would have secretly been applauding him. I have absolutely zero respect for parents that hit their kids. I think it is great that a child would speak up like that. If my son had said that, I would have continued the conversation right in front of her. "What is it that you don't like?"
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I would not have asked my child to apologize. Inside, I would have secretly been applauding him. I have absolutely zero respect for parents that hit their kids. I think it is great that a child would speak up like that. If my son had said that, I would have continued the conversation right in front of her. "What is it that you don't like?"
She came in as I was asking him why he doesn't like her. I told her that it was b/c of the spanking. She asked him "so you don't like me?" He said "no". She said "well guess what, I don't care." and then she walked away. We were leaving at that point anyway so I just let that go. He would not give her a hug goodbye either which she was asking for but I would never pressure him to do. I think her feelings were hurt and that's why I initially asked him to say sorry (which he said sarcastically). I also felt like she was expecting it from us. But even after his sorry she wouldn't let it drop and that's when the whole thing of her saying "I don't care" came in. Then we left.

I was actually proud of him that he spoke his mind like that and didn't think he needed to apologize but I caved under the "what's expected" pressure.
post #5 of 11
No answers, but for your son!

post #6 of 11
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No answers, but for your son!

I don't know. I'm really struggling with this. On one hand I am so glad that my son can speak his mind. He just put it out there. He wasn't shy about saying it or anything. He didn't call her a name or anything which IMO would have been inappropriate.

But, on the other hand something in me is saying that it's not ok to say such things out loud.

Blah, I'm just going to forget about it I guess but just trying to think for next time, ya know.
post #7 of 11
I think it's ok that he told her what he did. It might be a good idea to give him some more diplomatic suggestions when he's a bit older that focus on the behaviour.

But I think he did something that most adults are scared to do "calling attention to an injustice that he saw" and he should be rewarded for his bravery rather than apologize.

For me spanking is not about "parenting choice" but about a child's right to not have violence directed at them just like other humans have.

So wtg little guy! Keep standing up!

and I remember when I only had one and got that condescending "I have more kids so I have to be strict" and now I am up to 4 and have never spanked. Now I get "I don't know how you do it" LOL

I don't like people who hit kids either..but I am an adult and I try to find a diplomatic way to redirect them to alternate methods because alienating them will not help the child whatsoever.

It's a tough place to be in as a mama, negotiating those excrutiatingly honest little people through life but sounds like you both are off to a good start
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It might be a good idea to give him some more diplomatic suggestions when he's a bit older that focus on the behaviour.

But I think he did something that most adults are scared to do "calling attention to an injustice that he saw" and he should be rewarded for his bravery rather than apologize.
Ditto, and BIG ditto.

I totally understand your impulse for apology & hushhushing...but I think the fact that we feel that way is a problem. The bravery & ability to speak out against injustice is rare and should be encouraged, IMO.
post #9 of 11
I love that he stood up for his beliefs. I really really do.

As for continuing why he doesn't like her infront of her...never. I would have done just as you did and took my DS to another room for that part of the conversation. At five you really can't predict what they will say. I mean his answer could have been "because her house smells like cat pee" or "because I think she is not smart."

As for the apology, I know how you feel. On the one hand I think it's not right to insult someone for any reason in there own home. While it may be true that you don't like Cousin McHitty, but telling her that you don't like her in her house is fairly insulting. I would have taught this lesson: that it's not nice to hurt feelings, no one likes getting their feelings hurt. Just like no one likes getting hit.

Then I would have apologized for him.

As for Cousin McHitty, she IS mean and from what I hear I don't like her much either.
post #10 of 11
I'd be proud of him, too. He's still to young to remember all the rules of ettiquette, and besides, it sounds like your cousin doesn't know them herself. She interrupted your conversation with him, was rude to him, and then expected him to hug her, after she'd walked away from him in the middle of a conversation.

It might be a good chance for you to say something to her about her discipline choices, though. You could call her and apologize (even if she doesn't deserve it) and then say something like, "You know, I'm sure it's hard to have two close in age, but I was reading this post by a woman on the internet who has three that are only four and a half years apart, and she doesn't spank them..." or something!
post #11 of 11
Good for your DS!!! Sounds like he's got a well-developed sense of right and wrong and a good amount of confidence! Obviously he flustered your cousin, who could take a lesson from him.
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