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post #1 of 9
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I live in an area where there are many HSers, BUT they are almost all christian HSers who have groups that make you profess your faith to JC. As a non-christian family, that leaves us with no local HS support, since there are no secular or inclusive HS groups in our area. I found out last yr that another woman from our UU church was HSing her oldest son, and we decided that it would be nice to start our own secular HSing group sometime this yr or next yr.

Well, I ran into her again at church a few wks ago, and gave her an extra oak meadow catalog that I had, thinking she would like it, since she expressed interest in it when I had chatted with her a few months earlier. She confessed to me that she ended up enrolling her oldest son to PS recently. She told me that so far the adjustment for him was going well, but with a preschooler at home and a 1 yr old baby, she was too overwhelmed. I can understand her being overwhelmed, but I guess it still caught me by surprise, b/c she seemed so committed to the idea of HSing.

She said that she's also had problems finding more mainstream secular HSers, and all the ones that she knows are all dropping like flies, which has made her feel a little bit nervous (and I think it also influenced her decision to enroll her oldest son into PS). She said the only secular HSers that are left that she knows are kind of the super crunchy types (please don't be offended if you are one), that wear prairie clothes and live off the grid types. Not that there is anything wrong with that, both of us fall more in the mid-crunchy level, but we aren't super crunch, kwim? She told me that the more mainstream secular HSers, such as myself and herself, just don't seem to last. She did not say this to discourage me, but she was voicing her own frustration with lack of local secular HSers. She told me she doesn't know if her son will be in PS forever or not, but I just have this feeling that it probably won't happen, esp since her DH has always leaned more toward sending their kids to PS. She also said that when her kids were all my age she felt that she could never send them to school, but now that they are getting older, the idea doesn't seem that bad anymore. She expressed disappointment that there was nothing local (like a HS group) where kids could go and do some activities for a few hrs, just so moms like her could get a break. This is something that has crossed my mind too, I am very afraid that with the lack of a local support group, that I am just going to burn out and will give up HSing. I felt so bad after I talked to her, I know she really wanted it to work, I can see that the lack of local support probably did play a big role in her decision to send her oldest son to PS, and worst of all I am afraid that I will end up following in her footsteps.

I am kind of bummed about this whole thing and haven't been able to stop thinking about it since my conversation with her. I always felt that even though we were oddballs in our area, at LEAST I had hopes of starting a secular HS group with my friend from church. Really, I have NO local support. We live in a semi-rural area, if we drove 1-2 hrs, yes I could find support, but I do not want to waste the time and gas to travel that far in order to participate in a group. I have a few friends from LLL with kids about a yr younger than mind (mine are 4 and 2.5 yrs old and we will probably ttc #3 later on this yr or next yr), who have indicated interest in HSing, but I feel that their interest is very fleeting and in the end they will most likely just go the route of PS.

I know I could start my own group, but EVERY SINGLE HSer we meet are christian. I am friends with a few of them, and as much as they would like me to be part of their HS group, they know that the religion part just won't sit well with me. ALL of their HS support is from their HS group, so they do not need another group. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that I think that if I started my own group on my own, that there would be little to no interest. I have been invited to the same christian HS groups multiple times. The christian HSers have plenty of local support groups, I am just feeling disheartened, like I am totally alone right now and have noticed that I am starting to waver in my own decision to HS, leaning more toward doing an online charter, where field trips are at least set up. As much as I have told myself that it is not big deal, I worry about the social aspects of HSing totally on our own and I worry about not having some sort of local support network.

Anyone else going through this, or BTDT? How did you deal with this sort of situation?
post #2 of 9
I'm not in your situation totally, but you have my sympathy. It's tough when you can't find a lot of (or any) people who are doing the same thing you are.

In our case, there are homeschooling groups but very, very few families with kids as young as mine. I've tried setting up my own group and have gotten very little response. We have one family that homeschools and we have a lot of the same values/ideas, so that's a big relief. But all of the other families that I know of who have young children and are also homeschooling, are totally uninterested in getting together. I mean, one of these moms I went to school with and we both work at the same hospital.. yet we can never get together with the kids. I haven't seen her since July.

The one thing that keeps me going is that hopefully in a few years, when my kids are older, there will be more homeschoolers. I'm hoping that as some of the more like-minded families send their kids to public school, they'll make the decision to pull them out. I don't think it's all that common (at least in my area) for people to homeschool right from the start.

So we're muddling through with the one family that we're good friends with, and a few other friends that don't homeschool. Is it possible that you could set up drop-off playdates (for your 4 year old) with other kids during the after-school hours? Obviously it depends on how well you know the other families. Just a thought.
post #3 of 9
We haven't found a group that fits us well, either. We are christians, but are NOT the stereotypical profess your faith before you can join type christians. There are many groups like that around us and we will NOT be a part of them. I really, really want to find a secular group, where religion is not even a topic of discussion, and that it is homeschooling that we have in common and not religion. We do not homeschool for religious reasons at all. I, too, am hoping to find something at some point. My dd's are 6 and 3.5, so I am not too worried about it, but do hope for something in the future.
post #4 of 9
I belonged to a support group for quite a few years that was inclusive or secular or whatever you'd call a group that didn't give a hoot whether anyone was religious or anything else. We used to post a monthly notice in the local family news flyers that were stacked outside all the grocery and drug stores at shopping centers - and we'd widely publicize an annual homeschool information meeting in all the papers, radio stations, and bulletin boards. I was also one of the "county contacts" for our inclusive/secular state homeschooling organization which had a website and put on big annual state conferences that was advertised in places like Home Education Magazine, Mothering, and everywhere we could think of. And yet, we'd occasionally have someone show up at one of our local get togethers who had been homeschooling for ages and hadn't known we existed. In at least one case, the person was really angry because she felt we didn't do enough to let people know there was a large homeschool group that wasn't religious - but we had done everything we could think of to let people know we were there. So don't give up. There may not be an inclusive group near you, but it's not all that unlikely that there are people similar to you who would love to find you. So I'm going to put a link here to a post that listed web pages where you can find lists of support groups, and also links to articles about how to start your own:
Finding Support

Lillian
post #5 of 9
I can really empathize with you. I'm a non christian homeschooler and it really can be hard to find groups that don't require that statement of faith..and even in open groups with no stated religious requirements it really seems to come up a LOT (example, the regional yahoo group for hs'ers in my area... it's not religously based, but nearly every single resourse/curriculum/distance ed program (our version of charter) recommended is overtly Christian (and one mom even tried to convince me that non christians would do just fine with one DE school here, even though I'd read their WAY overt statment of faith... I didn't want to come right out and say UM, I'm pagan I sorta think they might all start making the sign of the cross LOL)

I have been very lucky to meet up with a lady who has started up an inclusive group (lets see if it stays inclusive though) for group classes at art studios, swim lessons, dance etc. I was going to suggest starting your own, but I'm seeing you've already gaged the interest lvl in the area enough to say that it wouldn't work out. So if not a whole new group, what about seeing if one or two of the moms you know and get along with would be interested in a weekly playdate for the kids & coffee chat for the moms? Hopefully they aren't limiting themselves to friends only from the hs group and will be open to the idea! Are there any other nearby towns that might have groups that would be more amenable to you? Might be a pita to drive, but at the moment it sounds like you're really needing the RL support to keep from being discouraged so it may be worth the gas & time Best of luck you to
post #6 of 9
We live somewhat rurally also. We do belong to a secular homeschool co-op that is about an hour away from us, but I'm unsure if we'll continue that next year. If we drop it, we'll probably join a secular unschooling group that meets about 45 minutes away from us.

In my area, most HSers seem to be religious also. But I've also discovered that I don't need a big group to get support- just having one or two other families is enough. We get together once a week with the other families I know in the area, and that is enough for us at this point in time.
post #7 of 9
mags... you sound a lot like me. Non-xtian, some AP/crunchy element but not super crunchy. I'm assuming you aren't unschooling, but aren't a "school at home" homeschooler either. I gave up on tryign to find a group and then suddenly after about a yr, we ran into someone who had just started a Pagan group. That was 7 yrs ago, now there are secular groups all over the place. There are probably more HS'ers out there in your area that would love a secular group. Is there a bulietin board or something you could put a flier on at the UU church? Are there other UU churches, or Unity churches in your area? You could even start a yahoo or google group to find like mined individuals. Maybe even post it on Craigslist or check and find out if your local freecycle yahoo group allows post such at that (ours has a seperate yahoo group for such things).

Just start out simple, set up playdates at local parks. Then once you have that going you can always branch out and set up fieldtrips co-ops etc.
post #8 of 9
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Ladies, thank you so much for all of your suggestions and words of encouragement. It does make me feel better that some of you have been through this and found the support you needed.

Sha_lyn- Yes, we do sound a lot alike. We're kind of eclectic, but not unschoolers. I get the feeling you are right, we will have to start small with 1-1 get togethers and hope to branch out from that.
post #9 of 9
I just wanted to say I feel your pain.

There is a very large homeschool support group that meets close by. We sooooo do not fit in there. They are all very religious and shocked to hear we don't use a prepackaged curriculum and that our education is not religion based. We still get together with the group for some events. I just have to pick and choose what we participate in.

There is a yahoo group for secular homeschoolers that we participate in. It is based in a city about 45 minutes from here. We do some activities with them, but there are not many that are on a regular basis. It's sort of discouraged to do regular activities in that group because they don't want it to be seen as a co-op.

I have learned that a lot of the support I receive is from online people who I might never meet. I just seem like the oddball in regards to educational ideas in my area. It's nice to meet others online that are more like me.
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