lol! DadLab Lounge: Public Breast Feeding

[frontierpsych]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXZp_PxGsQ

[SwanMom]

thanks for the laugh--awesome!

[amitymama]

That was great! I loved the guy who was arguing for NIP, he was hilarious.

[Demeter9]

Yum! Nipple Condiments. :

[frontierpsych]

I really think the other dad was just playing devil's advocate as well, he kinda seemed like it.

[menomena]

"I'm breastfeeding! I'm gonna take my clothes off!"

[menomena]

do a search on youtube for dadlabs lounge. there are a ton... there is one about night weaning too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Poj4teHA-g talking about nightweaning a toddler (20m) and cosleeping.

[NaomiLorelie]

"If you catch a glimpse you are looking to closely in the first place."

Amen to that!

[kdabbler]

ipping in condiments first: Brilliant!

My all time favorite video of theirs is the one on using a breast pump. I had people running to my office to find out why I was laughing so hard.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeRVCRCGqZg

[phreedom]

Lol @ the guy in the blue shirt.

[Sustainer]

"as long as it's discreet"
And it's ok for the husband to use a napkin to hide her breast???!!

Breasts are not genitals. Their purpose is to feed children.

I make no attempt to be discreet when I NIP, but that doesn't mean I shake my breasts around like an exotic dancer or dip them in ketchup. I casually expose my entire breast and latch my child on and there's nothing indecent or sexual about it and any one who has a problem seeing it seriously needs to get over their problem.

: http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...ul-brazen.html :

[lovingmommyhood]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

"as long as it's discreet"
And it's ok for the husband to use a napkin to hide her breast???!!

Breasts are not genitals. Their purpose is to feed children.

I make no attempt to be discreet when I NIP, but that doesn't mean I shake my breasts around like an exotic dancer or dip them in ketchup. I casually expose my entire breast and latch my child on and there's nothing indecent or sexual about it and any one who has a problem seeing it seriously needs to get over their problem.

: http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...ul-brazen.html :

I seriously got a chuckle out of a dad shielding his wife with a napkin. Like it's some covert op. Yeah, I don't think there needs to be any rules for a woman to be discreet but this is two men here. I think we should give them a little credit because they're leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of society. It's a start.

[Sustainer]

Yes, they're more enlightened than the average person because at least they support NIP ("as long as it's discreet" ), but I'm am just so sick of even the people who claim to be supportive of breastfeeding always adding that condition "as long as it's discreet." It perpetuates the belief that it's shameful and needs to be hidden.

[Lunaria]

Amen Alice!

Btw thanks for the link in your sig.. I enjoyed reading that! I bf everywhere with anyone without a coverup but always keep my breast covered by my shirt. But I am trying to change my way of thinking about it and just not care.
I really want to help women be comfortable nursing without the 'discreet' obsession. nak

jenny

[mommymaemae]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

"as long as it's discreet"
And it's ok for the husband to use a napkin to hide her breast???!!

Breasts are not genitals. Their purpose is to feed children.

I make no attempt to be discreet when I NIP, but that doesn't mean I shake my breasts around like an exotic dancer or dip them in ketchup. I casually expose my entire breast and latch my child on and there's nothing indecent or sexual about it and any one who has a problem seeing it seriously needs to get over their problem.

: http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...ul-brazen.html :

Thank you! I can't wait until this discretion business is no longer an issue so we can get down to the business of getting all moms to try breastfeeding. For some (like me tandeming my twins when they were really little) discretion isn't even possible. For another take on it, and for what it's worth, this is a piece I wrote after the Applebee's event:

To whom it may concern:

My name is Lindsey. I am a breastfeeding mother of 11 month old twin boys. I live in Burbank, California.

I helped to organize, attended, and served as spokeswoman for the nurse-in event at the Applebee's in Chatsworth, CA.

When we were speaking with press regarding our event, many didn't appear to take our cause very seriously. "California is not Kentucky" they would say, implying that Kentucky is less progressive, less liberal, less tolerant than California. That what happened to Brooke Ryan wouldn't happen here.

Kentucky may or may not be more conservative and less tolerant than California (I wouldn't know, I've never been there. I don't even know anyone from Kentucky). What I do know is that Kentucky's law (KRS 211.755) protecting the rights of breastfeeding children and mothers is even more explicit than the similar California law (Section 43.3) in that it states that no one shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her child. Both states go on to state that a woman may breastfeed in any place, public or private, that she is otherwise authorized to be (neither states have enforcement provisions for these laws).

If the law can be broken so blatantly in Kentucky, there is nothing to stop it from happening here in California. All it takes is one ill-informed employee or manager and a complaining customer. That is all it took in Brooke Ryan's case. After reading the many comments from readers in response to an article run in the Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6831541?source=most_viewed) it is clear that there are plenty of ill-informed people in California.

Asking a nursing mother to cover herself, move, be "more discreet", cease nursing, or leave implies that she is doing something inappropriate. There is nothing inappropriate about feeding a child.

Many managers at Applebee's across the country believed that it was acceptable to approach a nursing mother and make these requests, even if they didn't attempt to "force" her to comply. Approaching a nursing mother singles her out and may lead her to feel embarrassed, shamed, or humiliated.

A lot of mothers, despite being confronted in this way, may have the presence of mind, strength of spirit, and knowledge of family's rights to stand up to this situation. Many, perhaps even most, mothers may be too intimidated, taken off guard, or ignorant of her protections to put a stop to her discrimination.

Fear of breastfeeding in public is so pervasive that it actually keeps some moms from breastfeeding at all and leads others to cease breastfeeding before the minimum 12 months recommeded by the American Academy of Pediatrics. While the decisions a mother makes are ultimately her own responsibility, it is naive to think that public pressure to submit to the many inconveniences of discretion while breastfeeding don't play a significant role.

In this country most of us are confronted on a daily basis with activities, statements, lifestyles, etc that are offensive to us. Most of the time, the "offending" party is well within their rights to engage in their behavior. That is the challenge and beauty of living in a free society. If we begin requesting that those who are offensive to us hide or change or otherwise cease what they are doing, we are at risk of becoming all too similar to oppressive cultures worldwide that we are so quick to criticize.

I hope that the brave actions of thousands of mothers across the country on Saturday, and the brave actions of every mother who proudly feeds her child from the breast will begin to shift this tide of intolerance and discrimination toward children and mothers.

[sapphire_chan]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

Breasts are not genitals. Their purpose is to feed children.

:
Hathor's doing a series right now: http://www.thecowgoddess.com/?cat=5

[mommymaemae]

Another thing...

Blue shirt dad asked about whether it is offensive to see someone exercize in public, the other guy said it wasn't an appropriate metaphor... he said "what if they were exercising topless?"

Well, I have seen lots of people exercise topless...but since they are men it is OK by our culture's rules. Why is my bare chest private/shocking/titilating/inappropriate and a man's isn't? ESPECIALLY when used in a functional manner? It is absolutely ridiculous. IMO.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by sapphire_chan

Hathor's doing a series right now: http://www.thecowgoddess.com/?cat=5

Hathor RULES!!

Originally Posted by mommymaemae

Blue shirt dad asked about whether it is offensive to see someone exercize in public, the other guy said it wasn't an appropriate metaphor... he said "what if they were exercising topless?"

Well, I have seen lots of people exercise topless...but since they are men it is OK by our culture's rules. Why is my bare chest private/shocking/titilating/inappropriate and a man's isn't? ESPECIALLY when used in a functional manner? It is absolutely ridiculous.

EXACTLY!!!

[lara1828]

HaHa, I finally got to watch this.

In fairness, blue shirt guy's definition of indescrete was pretty out there: whipping off the shirt and dipping the breast in condiments would be inappropriate whether or not the mother was planning to bf.

Lara

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by lara1828

In fairness, blue shirt guy's definition of indescrete was pretty out there: whipping off the shirt and dipping the breast in condiments would be inappropriate whether or not the mother was planning to bf.

He seems to be saying that there are only two possibilities: either the woman is keeping everything covered, except maybe one square inch of flesh for half a second, or she is taking her whole shirt off and dipping her breasts in condiments. He doesn't seem to allow for the existence of anything in between. He says that 99% of mothers are discreet, but I don't think he really believes that the other 1% are literally dipping their breasts in condiments, so I assume that that's an exaggeration and that what he really means is people like me. My experience with the public is that if you expose your entire breast, they feel like you might as well be doing a strip tease, so they call it that. Someone once screamed at me from the street to keep my shirt on when my shirt clearly was on. What I mean is, when people are shocked that you're exposing your entire breast, they exaggerate it and they describe it as "oh my gosh she was ripping her clothes off and milk was spraying everywhere! It was unbelievable! She was determined to make such a spectacle of herself!" I have even heard so-called breastfeeding advocates describe women as "flaunting" their breasts while breastfeeding when in fact the women weren't doing anything of the kind. They were just casually exposing their breasts and breastfeeding. But it isn't casual to the observer. So the observer assumes that the woman must be a stripper-wanna-be.

The guy with the blue shirt said that breastfeeding in public is okay as long as it's discreet. He used the phrase "as long as it's discreet" several times. Combine that with the fact that he said 99% of women breastfeed discreetly and that means that he thinks that the way 1% of women NIP is not okay. In fact, if you take his definition of "discreet," which, based on his description, seems to be basically only showing one square inch of flesh for one second, I doubt that the rate of public breastfeedings that happen that way is as high as 99/100, so it seems like it would actually be more than 1% of public breastfeedings that he would not be okay with.

The other guy asked if it would be appropriate for a husband to hide his breastfeeding wife with a napkin and the guy with the blue shirt said yes, that would be appropriate. That REALLY ticks me off.