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post #21 of 64
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Originally Posted by BlessedMommy2006 View Post
Okay, folks, my DH is restoring! We just started a couple of days ago. We are restoring because of painful intercourse from his circ. He has a rather tight circ with not much skin to work with (why couldn't those 1970's doctors at least leave something to work with?) and I imagine that it will be a couple of months of manual stretching before we can move on to using a restoration device.

In the meantime, is there any way to lessen the pain of relations while we work on restoration? (other than abstaining most of the time, lol) We thought of using condoms to cushion the coronal ridge hook and provide more lubrication (don't normally use them) but don't want to waste our money if they won't help any.

Thoughts, anyone?
Well, lube tends to fix almost most friction problems. I really hope he is doing this personal reasons that extend beyond his sex life.
post #22 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Well, lube tends to fix almost most friction problems. I really hope he is doing this personal reasons that extend beyond his sex life.
painful intercourse for you/your life partner is not enough reason?


If I was causing my partner pain, I would look into how to help. If restoration was something presented to me and I thought it would help and was ok with it, I would do it. I wouldn't need further reasons...I don't think everyone does...wanting enjoy sex with my partner would be enough (and, even if the pain was not mine but my partners, knowing about that pain would ruin the event for me)
post #23 of 64
Also-- look at what the OP is telling us. They made the decision together. They are seeking out ways to ease the pain together (decided on restoration). They are seeking out ways to mitigate the pain while restoration is occurring together- they have discussed condoms and lube...obviously he is an active participant in the equation of this.



I just think calling into question his motives is wrong, especially the implication that causing/feeling pain is not enough reason.
post #24 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Well, lube tends to fix almost most friction problems. I really hope he is doing this personal reasons that extend beyond his sex life.
I know there can be medical reasons to restore but other then that and striving for a more connected love life, what would there be?


If someone were to give my DH a guarantee that this process would bring us even closer then we already are, that would be more then enough for him.
post #25 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Well, lube tends to fix almost most friction problems. I really hope he is doing this personal reasons that extend beyond his sex life.
It doesn't get much more personal than sex life, huh? What if it's not a friction problem? And, um, don't you think they've tried lube... OP stated they just started restoring...

ETA- I wish I had advice for the OP as to how to make sex less painful right now. But manually restoring is helping in a very short amount of time!
post #26 of 64
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Originally Posted by jessjgh1 View Post
Interesting thought. Seek out a jumbo condom. LOL.

Jessica


I just had a visual of someone going up to the counter at CVS and asking for the "jumbo condom section" and the cashier saying over the intercom "Hey Steve can you come to the front? We got a customer here looking for a jumbo condom."

post #27 of 64
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Originally Posted by Blooming View Post
I know there can be medical reasons to restore but other then that and striving for a more connected love life, what would there be?


If someone were to give my DH a guarantee that this process would bring us even closer then we already are, that would be more then enough for him.
Unfortunately there are no guarantees. Even if there were, what would it be? Money refund? Time invested back? Did he get a guarantee about your marriage? He just isn't ready or it isn't right for him.

As far as other reasons, there are some others. Mental healing from being molested and tortured as an infant. Doing something to deal with the feeling of loss or embarrasement about how one's penis looks. Fighting back against the system that allowed this to happen. Everyone is different and has their own reasons.

Regards
post #28 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
I really hope he is doing this personal reasons that extend beyond his sex life.
Can I ask why you feel this way?


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Unfortunately there are no guarantees. Even if there were, what would it be? Money refund? Time invested back?
I could be wrong, but I don't think Blooming was referring to a literal guarentee. Better sex is a very likely outcome of restoring. Not a 100% guarentee, but very likely. And that is a good reason to restore. After all, a piece of you was stolen, which could enable you (and your partner) to have a much more pleasureable sex life. There is nothing wrong with wanting that back. Especially since there really is not a lot of risk associated with manual restoration, if done properly.




Thanks to everyone who posted info/links, etc. It's very helpful.
post #29 of 64
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Originally Posted by Greg B View Post
Unfortunately there are no guarantees. Even if there were, what would it be? Money refund? Time invested back? Did he get a guarantee about your marriage? He just isn't ready or it isn't right for him.

As far as other reasons, there are some others. Mental healing from being molested and tortured as an infant. Doing something to deal with the feeling of loss or embarrasement about how one's penis looks. Fighting back against the system that allowed this to happen. Everyone is different and has their own reasons.

Regards
I worded my post wrong. I was trying to express that I felt that it was okay for a couple to walk down the path of restoring even if it was only for sexual reasons.

I am in a situation where DH and I are suffering from what happened to him as an infant. It has brought strain to us, so I think restoring for sex is okay, and could not think of a reason why it would not be.

And thank you for answering my question. The only other man I have talked about this with is my own DH and since (at least on a conscious level) he does not feel angry about being cut it is fairly new info for me to think about.

I realize that if we do go down this path he may very well some of the feelings you have described.
post #30 of 64
That is OK,it is very hard to express things well in written format.

Feel free to contact me by pm if you or he wishes to discuss it.

Best wishes
post #31 of 64
Ok, I wanted to respond to everyone. Greg kinda talked a little about what I wanted to say. But I guess I get very defensive when I hear about wives asking their husbands to restore. For me the worst part of circumcision is the idea that someone altered your body for THEIR benefit. All of you talk about sensation, and nerves and I will never know the difference, so thats not why I am against circumcision.

So a wife trying to get her husband to restore, seems almost as bad as the circumcision itself. So I guess what I really was "saying" is "I hope he is doing this because this is something HE really wants, and not just something he has been guilted into or just a sacrifice he is making for her. Not that couples should not sacrifice for each other at times, its just circumcised men have already sacrificed so much freedom down there already.


I hope at least some of you can understand where I am coming from when I say all of this.

Blooming- The only reason I would restore, would be to feel whole again. To try and get what I never really had, a foreskin, and restore it to the way nature made the male body. Honestly I have no problems with how much sensation I have (although I know I would probably have more with a foreskin). So I would not restore because of that.
post #32 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Blooming- The only reason I would restore, would be to feel whole again. To try and get what I never really had, a foreskin, and restore it to the way nature made the male body. Honestly I have no problems with how much sensation I have (although I know I would probably have more with a foreskin). So I would not restore because of that.
You mean to say that you wouldn't even consider restoring if sex was extremely painful for your partner to the point of you not getting any, just because you are happy with your sensation? Doesn't your partner's experience matter to you at all?

Why the "me me me", have you got any idea what it's like to be rubbed raw to the point of giving up on it entirely? What it's like to get a feeling of panic when someone you love tries to start something? (Or even worse, being that person who is being rejected because their partner associates sex with them with pain?) Think about it.

At your age, I doubt anything like this has happened to you yet, but your attitude is not exactly that of a considerate lover, please reconsider that statement.
post #33 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Ok, I wanted to respond to everyone. Greg kinda talked a little about what I wanted to say. But I guess I get very defensive when I hear about wives asking their husbands to restore. For me the worst part of circumcision is the idea that someone altered your body for THEIR benefit. All of you talk about sensation, and nerves and I will never know the difference, so thats not why I am against circumcision.

So a wife trying to get her husband to restore, seems almost as bad as the circumcision itself. So I guess what I really was "saying" is "I hope he is doing this because this is something HE really wants, and not just something he has been guilted into or just a sacrifice he is making for her. Not that couples should not sacrifice for each other at times, its just circumcised men have already sacrificed so much freedom down there already.


I hope at least some of you can understand where I am coming from when I say all of this.

Blooming- The only reason I would restore, would be to feel whole again. To try and get what I never really had, a foreskin, and restore it to the way nature made the male body. Honestly I have no problems with how much sensation I have (although I know I would probably have more with a foreskin). So I would not restore because of that.

My husband and I have forum for restoring men, and I have seen several men that are circ'ed and not restoring have the same attitude that you have. Very defensive about their penis. Very offended at the idea of a wife bringing up the idea. Every single one of those men abrubtly changed (including my husband) once they started restoring and realized the extend of the feeling that was lost.

It happens in stages:
1) Offended at the idea that something about their penis could be "fixed" could be "better"

2) Reading up on info, educating themselves on the function of the forskin towards their own body during sex, as well as toward the body of the female, becoming curious...becoming convinced, albeit skeptical

3) Trying out the idea with no expectation of any changes or success

4) Regaining a large amount of sensitivity, even just around the corona, which leads to shock at the realization of the sensations possible

5) For some, as restoring continues, and more and more sensitivity emerges, becoming extremely angry about the part of them was stolen by people who had absolutely nothing to do with their sex life

6) Becoming avid intactivists and supporters of others wishing to restore.


It sounds like to me that you have no idea what the sensations could be like. Nor do you have any idea of the grave impact that a husband's circumcision can have on the woman's body. Many problems that women complain to other women about in the bedroom have to do with the man's circumcision. (Figure out why KY jelly is booming in here in the States but doesn't sell anywhere near as well in uncirc places such as England...)Years of consistant monogamous intercourse between a woman and a man with a more aggressive circumcision can cause a woman's body enough symptoms and damage to warrant surgery.

Considering those facts, I do not think it's unfair that a woman should just let her man (who may have otherwise had no idea about the possibilities of restoration) know that the option is out there, and let him do the educating of himself (about the impact of circumcision on both his AND his woman's body). Of course, not force him, not MAKE him do it, NEVER. THAT, as you say, WOULD be akin to ric.

What I DO think would be unfair, would be for a woman to suffer in silence for years KNOWING about the possibly of restoration, with a partner who is otherwise unknowing of the sexual issues his circ is causing, or know, but not know that there is any way of relief, in the effort to "not to insult his penis"..... (sorry, starting to ramble, so I'll stop there...)



(Jumping off of soapbox...)
post #34 of 64
I don't think it's possible to "force" an adult man to restore, of course, it's his body and his choice BUT neither should a woman be expected to put up with painful sex just to preserve her partner's ego, since it's her body and her choice what gets done with it. If his circumcised penis is causing her pain, chances are that sex just isn't going to happen, and surely it's to his benefit to help find a solution to the problem?
post #35 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
Ok, I wanted to respond to everyone. Greg kinda talked a little about what I wanted to say. But I guess I get very defensive when I hear about wives asking their husbands to restore. For me the worst part of circumcision is the idea that someone altered your body for THEIR benefit. All of you talk about sensation, and nerves and I will never know the difference, so thats not why I am against circumcision.

So a wife trying to get her husband to restore, seems almost as bad as the circumcision itself. So I guess what I really was "saying" is "I hope he is doing this because this is something HE really wants, and not just something he has been guilted into or just a sacrifice he is making for her. Not that couples should not sacrifice for each other at times, its just circumcised men have already sacrificed so much freedom down there already.


I hope at least some of you can understand where I am coming from when I say all of this.

Blooming- The only reason I would restore, would be to feel whole again. To try and get what I never really had, a foreskin, and restore it to the way nature made the male body. Honestly I have no problems with how much sensation I have (although I know I would probably have more with a foreskin). So I would not restore because of that.
I'm with you up until where you stated that a man should never attempt to restore unless he doesn't feel whole. My DH is a beautiful man who I will love with or without a foreskin. We have been together for 14 years, for 14 years I have gradually suffered more and more in silence.

I am in physical pain. I have no desire to be with him. Not because he is not sexy, or because I don't love him but because at this point I feel very scared and defensive of my body. If we would like to remain together for another 14 years I'm thinking we'll have to have sex again.

My husband will not be guilted into anything. I showed him some of the info I have seen; now it is up to him.

On the other side of is I will not continue to put myself in the position of the suffering wife anymore. We will continue to try this option and others to help me. And really ultimately him too because he is such a wonderful husband that he cannot bear the thought of putting me in pain to achieve an orgasm.
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post #37 of 64
this thread is very interesting. I mentioned the subject casually to dh the otherday just to feel him out but he didn't bite. My son was born with a dorsal hood which is only foreskin on the top of penis with nothing underneath. it left his glands open and didn't funtion properly. After talking with men that had this it was highly suggested to either circ or restore. He had surgey and they were able to reconstruct his foreskin!!! i am so happy for him and his future wife (he is just an infant lol) just wondering how those of you that are restoring came about it?.
post #38 of 64
I think the answer for how to "relate" in greater comfort is to exploit something you can now get most anywhere condoms are sold: the vibrating ring. He slips it onto his turgid member and slides it to the base. During intercourse he can switch it on and press it against you right where you will appreciate it most. It may help both of you finish with minimal friction. Lots of lube is a great idea, too.
post #39 of 64
If he can force his skin over the glans while flaccid he needs to start wearing it that way 24/7 with cross-tape, o-rings, or a silicone retaining cone. This will make him more ticklishly sensitive so he will need to depend less on friction and more on what he can do for you with his hands during intercourse.
post #40 of 64
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Originally Posted by perspective View Post
I have no problems with how much sensation I have (although I know I would probably have more with a foreskin). So I would not restore because of that.
Foreskin feels REALLY good.
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