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Circumcision down to 56% in USA

post #1 of 95
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/94200.php




i find it odd that the summary claims factors for lower rates are immigration and insurance coverage when the report itself specifically says:

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Changes in public sentiment, differences in insurance coverage, or fluctuations in immigrant populations can impact the prevalence of the procedure.
I suppose they just *accidentally* overlooked the first reason.
post #2 of 95
I thought it's been down to 50/50 for years now.
post #3 of 95
The immigrants thing is pure Schoen. He has always tried to paint circumcision as the patriotic, all-American thing to do and that only ignorant, dirty, first generation aren't circumcised. Like with many things in this country, when you run out of evidence and the lies stop working, wave the flag and question the patriotism of the nonbelievers.
post #4 of 95
Well, the statistics they took are for hospital births, it wouldn't cover those who are born outside of a hospital setting would it? And, would it cover those who circ at a ped's office?
post #5 of 95
I think 99% of births are in a hospital environment, so out of hospital births are statistically irrelevant.
post #6 of 95
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Originally Posted by moonmama7 View Post
I thought it's been down to 50/50 for years now.
Hovering around...it was 57 for two years in a row I believe, so this is a lowering from there.
post #7 of 95
i believe the immigrant population bit. not stereotypically but just because i don't see my hispanic clients cutting their boys as often as i hear the anglo and african american clients in my office doing so. i live in indiana which is probably closer to 80 or 90% circ rate.
post #8 of 95
"The national rate has remained relatively stable for a decade. It peaked at 65 percent in 1980. "

Wha? Only 65%? I thought it peaked at closer to 90%?
post #9 of 95
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"The national rate has remained relatively stable for a decade. It peaked at 65 percent in 1980. "

Wha? Only 65%? I thought it peaked at closer to 90%?
And I thought just about all male babies in the U.S. were circ'd in the 60's and 70's. Actually, I was naive and used to think only Jewish circ'd and was very sorry to find out I was wrong.

Does anyone have stats from decades ago (without graphic pictures)?
post #10 of 95
Statistics: http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
This one goes all the way back to 1937 with a rate of 30% that year. With a peak of nearly 100% from 62-71. Lots of other graphs there as well.


Statistics: http://www.circs.org/reviews/rates/usa.html Info from 79 on.

Statistics: http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/bollinger2003/ This one starts in 1870 with a 0% rate, then showing a peak at around 1980 with a steady decline after that up to 2000. In 2001 according to the graphic there was a circ rate of 51.1%
post #11 of 95
It varies by region also. The Midwest and South still have very high RIC rates. And working in the hospital in L&D where one of the intake questions is "do you desire circ", I have to say that at least here it is almost across the board, only immigrants that decline.
post #12 of 95
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South rates: 56%

They aren't doing too bad.

Midwest: 75%

also getting better
post #13 of 95
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Originally Posted by mom2seven View Post
It varies by region also. The Midwest and South still have very high RIC rates. And working in the hospital in L&D where one of the intake questions is "do you desire circ", I have to say that at least here it is almost across the board, only immigrants that decline.
And your point is?

It seems to more than just hint at racism to suggest that it is 'only' immigrants who are causing the drop in circumcision rates in the States.

In this case - good for the immigrants! They have the self-confidence and knowledge not to be sucked into needlessly harming their infants and damaging their child's future sex life, simply in order to 'fit in'. That's more than can be said for the parents of 56% of American newborn boys.

But rates for parentings cutting their children are down all over the States - 56% overall, which means that 44% of little boys are being left intact.

There are clearly many non-immigrant parents who are clued up about the horrendous damage caused by circumcision, and they are protecting their sons.

The numbers of baby boys protected will only go up. Knowledge is a powerful thing. Group-think can only go so far in keeping circumcision alive, thankfully.
post #14 of 95
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Originally Posted by mom2seven View Post
It varies by region also. The Midwest and South still have very high RIC rates. And working in the hospital in L&D where one of the intake questions is "do you desire circ", I have to say that at least here it is almost across the board, only immigrants that decline.


It should be AGAINST hospital policy to SOLICIT unnecessary COSMETIC surgery on a healthy sexual organ!

Does a doctor ask a mother if she desires to have her appendix removed during her c/s?
post #15 of 95
Thread Starter 
Right! Immigrants are americans too and live here, so


Also, like I said--

-the report itself says personal opinions on the matter are contributing to the decline



and, numbers in the south are second best! Only the west has lower numbers.
post #16 of 95
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It should be AGAINST hospital policy to SOLICIT unnecessary COSMETIC surgery on a healthy sexual organ!

Does a doctor ask a mother if she desires to have her appendix removed during her c/s?
I was asked no less than 5 times if I wanted my son circumcised in the hospital I delivered at. This was also the experience of another MDC mom who used the same hospital group.

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Probably a contributing factor in why the west/northeast numbers are higher.


for the curious:
-once when getting all my info when I first got there
-once when he was born and they were entering more info
-once when I requested to leave a day early
-another time when a new nurse came on
-when the OB came in for final check
post #17 of 95
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
I was asked no less than 5 times if I wanted my son circumcised in the hospital I delivered at. This was also the experience of another MDC mom who used the same hospital group.

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Probably a contributing factor in why the west/northeast numbers are higher.


for the curious:
-once when getting all my info when I first got there
-once when he was born and they were entering more info
-once when I requested to leave a day early
-another time when a new nurse came on
-when the OB came in for final check
I was going to add a big "hey me too!" until I saw that is was you, Carrie, and that you may have already been refering to me!

I swear even housekeeping asked if we were circ'ing. :

Finally another OB asked again and I just about lost it. After reading her the riot act she said that she respected my decision and agreed that it was needless and detrimental. Why the hell don't they tell all thier patients that from the get go?!?!
post #18 of 95
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
Right! Immigrants are americans too and live here, so
My point was not racist, simply demographics. At least where I am located, changing norms don't seem to have affected the circ rate an iota. We do have a huge influx from Mexico, Central and South America, as well as large population of Bosnians and those from the Far East, all cultures that don't circ. Good for them that they are not feeling pressured into imitating the "American Way". Though I have heard from many Russians that their teenage sons are asking to be circ'ed b/c they are tired of being teased and want to fit in. I know two personally that relented and let their teenage sons get circ'ed. I'm sad that the peer pressure is still such that they felt they needed to get this done.

And for the record, many of them are not Americans but either residents or illegal immigrants. As to "soliciting elective surgery" - when we ask "do you want to breast of bottle feed?" are we soliciting one vs. the other? It's still one of those things they do in the hospital before discharge and if they want it done, it's part of the record. There are a whole list of requests that are asked of the parents with no value judgment either way - it just helps make sure that everyone is on the same page. It's actually very, very important that you make it clear if you DON"T want it done b/c seriously, there have been cases (including one in a hospital I worked for) where the parents didn't and the OB came in and did it, ASSuming the parents would want it. Ironically, the OB in that case was foreign born from a country that doesn't usually circ!.
post #19 of 95
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
and, numbers in the south are second best! Only the west has lower numbers.
I would be interested in seeing the break down b/c I believe it actually supports the "immigrant" theory. Where are the highest rates of immigrants, legal and otherwise, from Mexico, Central and South America? IIRC, I read that native Southerners have the highest circ. rates in the country.
post #20 of 95
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I wasn't sayin gyou were racist, my point (and i have said this a lot in threads so I didn't bring out my whole explaination once more) is that they are here and not circumcising and many of them are legal. But, legal, illlegal or otherwise, their children are citizens who are not being circumcised and it's a great thing.
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