We're a bad influence! - Page 3

[rsps]

Originally Posted by reeseccup

Mine either. We all must be saying it wrong

Accio works well at my house -- as long as I say it where one of the kids can hear me!! "Accio remote" is a favorite!!

[wonderwahine]

my dh has known SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people like this. It is truely pathetic! We are evangalical christians, and we have no problem with HP.

[lisarussell]

Oh yeah- you might be a "bad influence" but I am a "devil woman"

Some crazy lady at our co-op hates me because she knows I"m not Christian (wants to change the group's by-laws because I am the only non Christian homeschooler in the county and she wants to rewrite it so I can't be a member.

Apparently her son had his first... um.... nocturnal emission. And he is infatuated with one of my daughters, so apparently I am raising a bunch of Jezebels (I've always loved that name)

I'm not supposed to know so when I see her she's icky-sweet and I mess with her head. when latest daughter was born, I told her God thinks I am doing a good job with Girls. she only has one son and i implied it's because God thought she should stop raising kids. I didn't blatantly say that, but I implied it (I forget which words I used) and she caught it and didn't say anything.

maybe i am horrible

[wonderwahine]

oh my lord! :

if i ever have a daughter, i may name her jezebel.

[KaraBoo]

Originally Posted by IndigoRayne

Very Strange.

My SIL banned Harry Potter for her kids but let them watch the Lord of the Rings movies, I didn't understand that.

We met a homeschooling family who did the same. I just couldn't get it.

[lauracd]

Oh man! I've just finished up teaching Harry Potter in a Banned Books class. That is unbelievable! Poor Harry gets such a bad rap....

[HikeYosemite]

Originally Posted by IndigoRayne

My SIL banned Harry Potter for her kids but let them watch the Lord of the Rings movies, I didn't understand that.

I have to say that IMO, LOTR is higher quality literature and has more depth of meaning than HP (though I've only read a bit of HP), so I don't find them it an apples-to-apples comparison. But the whole movement against fantasy literature seems quite sad to me. I know someone who gave some of her children middle names from LOTR, but years later she has become much more conservative (thanks, in part, to the influence of a fundamentalist Christian HS support group) and is now anti-fantasy literature in general. Don't know what they will do about the names of their kids!

A friend of mine thought some of the later HP movies were too intense for her 8yo but let her watch Pirates of the Carribbean II, and really encouraged her kids to watch Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ reinacting Christ's torture (and even purchased the movie for repeated viewing). I don't think everyone's standards are consistent!

[reeseccup]

Originally Posted by lisarussell

son had his first... um.... nocturnal emission.

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And to blame your dd's for his emissions? UHHU, she's not very well educated in the realms of biology, now is she?

[mammal_mama]

Originally Posted by reeseccup

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And to blame your dd's for his emissions? UHHU, she's not very well educated in the realms of biology, now is she?

She's also not very well educated in respecting her son's privacy. I can't imagine sharing such personal information about my child, and I feel so sorry for this woman's son. If her friends are passing on what she's been saying to you, maybe they're getting fed up with her, too (I know I would be!). If she does change the bylaws, why don't a bunch of you start your own group, and ban moms who publicize their sons' nocturnal emissions?!!

About Jezebel -- many people think of her as a seductress -- and maybe she was, I don't know -- but what she's infamous for in the Bible is her extreme cruelty. Her husband, the king, wanted someone's vineyard and was moping around because the guy wouldn't sell it to him. And Jezebel was like, "You're the king -- you can just take what you want!" And she had the man killed and took his vineyard and gave it to her husband.

I think the Bible's actually kinder to "scarlet" women than people make it out to be (i.e. Jesus with the woman caught in adultery) -- but self-righteous hypocritical people can get kind of nasty.

[theatermom]

Originally Posted by HikeYosemite

A friend of mine thought some of the later HP movies were too intense for her 8yo but let her watch Pirates of the Carribbean II, and really encouraged her kids to watch Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ reinacting Christ's torture (and even purchased the movie for repeated viewing). I don't think everyone's standards are consistent!

Wow... I honestly cannot imagine encouraging my children to watch Passion of the Christ. I took my mom to see it, and it was beyond intense. I can see someone trying to justify the difference, saying that one was fiction and unnecessary, and the other part of Biblical history and therefore important to understand, but the footage from the Holocaust is important, too. I wouldn't scar the minds of my children with that, either. Seriously, there's a time and an age for everything.

On a lighter note, Accio is kind of hit and miss here. We sometimes have more luck with "use the force, Luke"....

[Ruthla]

I would just look at it this way: your families aren't a good match since you have different values. Better to find out now than later, after the kids started getting close.

In other words, you don't want Muggles like that for friends anyway.

Originally Posted by 3momkmb

I've never understood why magic is good in some books (LOR, Narnia) and not in others (HP). I did find this http://www.onetruthministries.com/po...lord_rings.htm which attempts to explain it, but I really still don't get it. I guess it's because Harry didn't get corrupted by magic?

It has to do with the kinds of magic- whether "the good guys" or "the bad guys" use magic, etc. In HP, magic is considered ethically neutral, which is a problem for those who see magic as a real, but negative, force in the world.

I'm not sure why Gandalf and Aslan's use of magic was acceptable- maybe because they're not truly human, and the human characters never had access to magic?

In any case, it seems like the vast majority of anti-HPers have never even read the books, but find LOTR and Narnia acceptable because the authors were known to be Christians. I don't even know what Rowling's personal religious beliefs are.

Originally Posted by HikeYosemite

"For years I've been trying the 'Silencio!' one on my kids," she wrote, "and it hasn't worked at all!"

Originally Posted by rsps

Accio works well at my house -- as long as I say it where one of the kids can hear me!! "Accio remote" is a favorite!!

[ebethmom]

We read (and *love*) Harry Potter! I'm just waiting for my son to show off some advanced wand technique at our Christian homeschool's Enrichment classes.

We're having our second playdate with a family from that group tomorrow. When our kids played the other day, I *almost* brought up HP. But I decided against it. Maybe she won't judge us harshly!

[mammal_mama]

It's good to see all the Christians online who are cool with Harry Potter: I'm hoping that means we won't get dissed when we join our local homeschooling group.

I know I was surprised when dd's friend's mom said it was okay for her to watch Harry Potter movies with us. I hadn't even intended to bring it up -- and had just told dd that since many parents don't want their kids to know about Harry Potter, when her friends came over why not do other stuff (dd prefers playing over movies when her friends come anyway).

But dd got on the phone and directly asked the mom and she was like, "Sure, I trust your judgment; anything you're okay with your own kids watching is okay for my daughter to see."

Since this family's moving, I'm just hoping we can make some more friends like this -- I don't so much care if they don't want their kids to see/read Harry Potter, I can certainly respect that if their kids come over, it's not like there's nothing else to do. But I know some people don't even want to be in a home (or send their kids to a home) where there are books or movies they don't agree with.

I don't so much care on my own behalf -- I just know how much my daughter wants a wider circle of friends. Sometimes I've (probably illogically) worried that I've messed up her "acceptability" (among some Christians) by "exposing" her to Harry Potter. But he's sure given us hours of fun and creative play!