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post #21 of 39
I saw this a few weeks ago and really enjoyed it. I loved Jennifer Garner's character. (and the stepmom - she was a riot )

Jessy1019, I don't mean this to sound defensive or catty, I'm just sincerely interested to know how you wrote that article without seeing the movie?
post #22 of 39
I was really looking forward to this movie. I love movies with teenagers in them especially ones that are realistic. I love the actress Ellen Page from that other movie Hard Candy (was it?). I was also excited about the rest of the cast....

But this movie depressed me....I bawled my eyes out for the last half an hour of it. Like full on sobbing. I don't know if it was because I had had a couple glasses of wine before watching it or because my gorgeous son (who I had a very hard time deciding on wether I would keep or not when I was pregnant) was sleeping next to me in bed. But, yeah, it just made me sad. I was a cute movie, with lots of great dialouge and I loved the Sonic Youth comments (I wonder what album she was talking about).
But its redeeming factors don't balance out how depressed it made me.... Just my personal opinion though.
post #23 of 39
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Originally Posted by SherryR View Post
Jessy1019, I don't mean this to sound defensive or catty, I'm just sincerely interested to know how you wrote that article without seeing the movie?
It's pretty easy to find comprehensive spoilers online.
post #24 of 39
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Basically, I don't think it's a fair representation of adoption, and I am concerned that it is glamorizing the act of surrendering a child to any young women who may see the movie.
I understand that there are spoilers online, but if you didn't personally see the representation, it doesn't seem fair of you to write a critique of the movie. This is regardless of how valid your points may or may not be.

The adoption in the movie was closed. After the adoption took place (ie after the birth), there was to be no communication between the birth and adoptive parents and/or birth parents and baby. That's closed. Open would have been anything from letters and cards exchanged to co-parenting the baby.
post #25 of 39
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I understand that there are spoilers online, but if you didn't personally see the representation, it doesn't seem fair of you to write a critique of the movie.
More than critiquing the movie, my article used the glamorous portrayal of adoption in the movie as a jumping off point for an article on why adoption is not a "choice" in our society.

Also, I don't need to watch the movie to know the basics -- that the character was supposed to be a smart, savvy girl that many teens would look up to/admire, and that she was portrayed as choosing (rather than being coerced into) adoption.

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The adoption in the movie was closed. After the adoption took place (ie after the birth), there was to be no communication between the birth and adoptive parents and/or birth parents and baby. That's closed. Open would have been anything from letters and cards exchanged to co-parenting the baby.
Again open adoption merely means that there was contact at some point, between the adopters and the mother/parents. There was.
post #26 of 39
She can also be easily perceived as low class (with the constant swearing) and uncaring in the way that she refers to the baby as a Thing and for a large part doesn't seem emotionally affected by the pregnancy.

As for the "open adoption" definition, I've realized after some research that the term can be used to describe either situation or both. It seems to be an issue of preference and personal choice. I personally do not consider an adoption where the birthmother will have no contact with the child or family (or vice versa) after the adoption to be an open adoption. You do. We're both right, it seems.
post #27 of 39
I just didn't get what was so great about it. The Gilmore Girls kind of overdid the neverending streamy "witty" dialogue that everyone is raving about in this movie.. it never seemed "real" to me, it just sounded like Ellen Page was reading right off of a script (well.. you know LOL) and the monotone voice was grating.

The plot wasn't even that great, or that believable.. I just don't get why it's so exhaulted. I was bored.
post #28 of 39
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She can also be easily perceived as low class (with the constant swearing) and uncaring in the way that she refers to the baby as a Thing and for a large part doesn't seem emotionally affected by the pregnancy.
Those things seem like they would affect the way older adults (not the target audience of the movie nor the adoption industry) perceived her. I know of very few teens who are put off by swearing, and plenty who act like they don't care about anything.
post #29 of 39
They affected me and my younger sister. Neither of us are "older adults", and I really don't think that teens are/were the target audience. If they were, the filmakers missed their mark. The whole theater was full of 25-45 year olds from what I saw. All the teens I noticed were seeing Semi-Pro, Be Kind Rewind, etc.

I'm not "pro-adoption" or "anti-adoption". I have no agendas as far as that issue goes. It just doesn't seem right to me to post thoughts on a movie that you refuse to see. If you saw it and hated it, that would be different.

Organicavocado, I agree with you. I found her lines a bit off putting (coming from someone with a very "salty" vocabulary herself), and the plot unrealistic. Overall it was an okay movie. I'm not going to demand my money back, but I certainly won't be renting it come DVD time.
post #30 of 39
I am the birth mother who gave up her baby in a closed adoption 12 years ago, and the adoption was semi-opened later after the baby was about 2.

I don't have regular contact with her or her family now.

As a birth mother who was just barely out of her teens when our adoption occurred (and also a teen mom, having had a son that I kept at age 17), I was not appalled by Juno, nor do I think that the movie "glamorizes" adoption.

Despite what opponents of adoption argue, not all adoptions are disastrous for everyone involved. Not all birth mothers are taken advantage of. Not all adoptive parents are baby-hungry vultures, and not all adoptees are ruined for life for having been "abandoned".

Sometimes it just is what it is...and I think Juno was delightful. I laughed and cried...and I don't understand why anyone would think that choosing to put the baby up for adoption would lend itself to ending the relationship with Juno and her boyfriend. Just because they still wanted to be together doesn't mean that either of them thought they were ready to raise a baby...
post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by CookieMonsterMommy View Post
I understand that there are spoilers online, but if you didn't personally see the representation, it doesn't seem fair of you to write a critique of the movie. This is regardless of how valid your points may or may not be.
Jessy has been loudly opposing adoption in any and all of its forms for many, many years, CookieMonsterMommy, despite the fact that (according to her) she has never been directly involved in adoption as any member of the trifecta).

Watching the movie would have lent more credibility to any critic's argument that the movie was one thing or another...but, to some people, there is NO acceptable representation of adoption, so watching the movie would be a mute point, I guess.
post #32 of 39
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...and I don't understand why anyone would think that choosing to put the baby up for adoption would lend itself to ending the relationship with Juno and her boyfriend. Just because they still wanted to be together doesn't mean that either of them thought they were ready to raise a baby...
As someone without any personal experience with adoption, take this for what it's worth. I think some PP's argument with that part of the movie was that they just got back together without....any discussion/thoughts on how to deal with everything.

That's how I felt...not that they could never be together, or that they were doomed, but that it (the situation) wasn't presented as something they would have to deal with--now or ever--and to me that didn't seem realistic.
post #33 of 39
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As someone without any personal experience with adoption, take this for what it's worth. I think some PP's argument with that part of the movie was that they just got back together without....any discussion/thoughts on how to deal with everything.

That's how I felt...not that they could never be together, or that they were doomed, but that it (the situation) wasn't presented as something they would have to deal with--now or ever--and to me that didn't seem realistic.
Honestly? I guess I just figured that they had talked about it...like, off-screen or something. Like it wasn't part of the actual movie, but it happened...know what I mean?

The thing *I* thought was unrealistic is the fact that the boyfriend's mom never knew it was his baby.
post #34 of 39
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Honestly? I guess I just figured that they had talked about it...like, off-screen or something. Like it wasn't part of the actual movie, but it happened...know what I mean?
I didn't get the impression that the final scene was like the day after she got out of the hospital or anything. Stuff happened between him holding her in the hospital bed and them singing.

I loved the part where her dad promised that she'd be back there again someday, and on her own terms. I thought that acknowledged the difficulty of the situation.

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The thing *I* thought was unrealistic is the fact that the boyfriend's mom never knew it was his baby.
Yeah, wtf. I guess she didn't put a father on the paperwork then? Or maybe Bleeker signed off without his mom knowing.

I didn't think anything in the movie glamorized adoption, or showed any kind of pressure being put on Juno to give up the baby. I think it was the best option in her situation...she wasn't ready to parent, period. I'm not sure about Vanessa as a single mom, but that's the only part that bothered me.
post #35 of 39
I loved the movie. I can't wait to see it again.
post #36 of 39
No one's allowed to oppose adoption unless they've given up a baby, been given up, or adopted? Are people allowed to *support* adoption without giving up a baby, being given up, or adopting?

So I'm not allowed to oppose, for example, genital mutilation, if I haven't mutilated anyone else and if I haven't been mutilated myself?
post #37 of 39
Maybe that's a good topic for a different thread, Sustainer. You make a good point, but, and I'm not trying to be rude, it's way OT.
post #38 of 39
I really enjoyed Juno. I didn't expect it to be so sad, I had thought she was going to keep the baby before I saw it. The scene in the hospital was so sad - my sister and I cried and cried. I did love when her dad told her she'd be back one day.

I loved most of the characters, esp. Juno's parents. I never really felt any connection between Juno and her boyfriend, and felt badly that he wasn't given much choice in the decision. And I was surprised to see him them so close in the hospital - but I was happy because Juno needed the support. And after seeing him hold her and sing to her, I wasn't as surprised to see them at together at the end of the movie.

I liked how the movie showed some of the stress that families feel - instead of the adoptive parents being thrilled and everything being easy and fun, it brought so much stress to their relationship that they didn't stay together.

I just really liked it, and definitely didn't see Juno as glamorizing adoption. It didn't make adoption seem eay or fun, or glamorous.
post #39 of 39
I liked the movie a lot. I also thought it was odd that Bleekers mom never knew he was the father.

As far as Juno and Bleeker staying together, high school classmates of my father had a child together that they gave up for adoption in High School, then went on to get married and have more children after they had both been through college. So it happens. And my impression from the last scene where they are sitting there singing, they both seem kind of sad and wistful somehow, like they both changed.
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