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okay, My 19 year old sister who is very much into music videos, the latest everything says that you all are reading too much into the lyrics. That it is indeed about a dance not an actual hoe(ahem girl). That up in this hoe doesn't refer to a girl but more like up in this place or something. She just laughed when I asked her about it. I had to get her to translate some things for em ,lol like I had no idea bapes were shoes. I always thought he meant babes like girls. Anyway she says it's funny cause most peopel pver 25 think this way but most under 20 have no idea what we're talking about, I think she's calling me old.: She says he does have some dirty songs though but that's not one of them.
someone posted a link to what the lyrics mean on the second page i think. urban dictionary or something like that. go read it. it's definately not a dance (although i know there's a really awesome dance that goes with it). and it definately is ho. maybe not in the first line "up in da ho". i can see how that may mean house. but i can tell you they aren't talking about supermanning a house.
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what exactly is supermanning anyway?
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what exactly is supermanning anyway?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=superman
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Oh. MY. I wanna barf
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sick--what if 'super..." meant something racist?

If it's so easy to separate the "good music" from the terribly damaging words... well, it isn't really. It just isn't.

If the message was totally racist, racist in the most heinous way like the superdork's message is misogynistic (woman HATING), would anyone make a case for separating the "good music" from the racist message?

I think not.

We shouldn't buy it; we should tell radio stations we don't want to hear it. We should communicate to the artist that we'd love to listen to his music, and dance to his music, and we'll buy his music, but he needs to go to Misogynist Rehab. Check-in at my garage door. First exercise is to be blindfolded; disoriented, some oinking pigs soundtrack, and then get a synthetic (orange juice in a squirt bottle) superman treatment. A little "do unto others" review lesson.

VF
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If the message was totally racist, racist in the most heinous way like the superdork's message is misogynistic (woman HATING), would anyone make a case for separating the "good music" from the racist message?
Sweet Home Alabama has some subtle rascist digs that are meant to be silly and lighthearted (the messages in response to Neil Young). I'll bet there are other songs with similar.
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If it's so easy to separate the "good music" from the terribly damaging words... well, it isn't really. It just isn't.
I assume you mean for you it's not so easy? It is easy or at least doable for others.

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If the message was totally racist, racist in the most heinous way like the superdork's message is misogynistic (woman HATING), would anyone make a case for separating the "good music" from the racist message?
There are many songs, some of them quite old, that have racism (often subtle) tones woven in the lyrics. Everyone has their own limit as to what they feel comfortable listening to and what they feel they should pass on.
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Originally Posted by UnschoolnMa View Post
My Dd loves the song, and maybe more importantly the dance to the song. It's extremely popular right now. Just check Youtube for about 8,000 different versions.

We talk about lyrics a lot in our family and this song is no exception. My Dd is aware that many songs she finds catchy have lyrics that talk about things she personally may not value, but in many cases she can seperate the lyrics from enjoying the sound or beat of a song. She doesn't think of/ refer to women as "ho's" and she wouldn't think too highly of someone who did, but none of that is necessary to enjoy the song. For example, I really like "Soldier" by Destiny's Child. I find the lyrics a bit silly, but the song overall always has caught my attention and made me feel happy or upbeat. That's a good thing right? Hearing lyrics doesn't mean we have to agree with what they are talking about.

Everyone has their own limits of course, and they are likely going to be different for everyone. We don't censor media, but we do talk about it a lot. It's an interesting subject.
I'm on the same page as you with this.

Madonna, Public Enemy, all the hot bands when I was that age were not too much different, in essence. parents freaked out but I never listened much to messages in the songs. I knew lyrics, usually knew what it meant, but I was not absorbing direction from them.

We talk a lot about it in our house, too. And I did draw the line at Eminem talking about killing his ex wife and stuff. But what I said was, "it makes me feel v uncomfortable to listen to that" and if they wanted to listen to it, they did it out of earshot of me.

I do want to applaude you for even paying attention, OP. So many parents just are not even aware. We cant make informed decisions about our kids' media influences if we dont know about them.
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Misogynist Rehab

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I assume you mean for you it's not so easy? It is easy or at least doable for others.



There are many songs, some of them quite old, that have racism (often subtle) tones woven in the lyrics. Everyone has their own limit as to what they feel comfortable listening to and what they feel they should pass on.

Yes, UnschoolnMa, I do mean that for me, it is not easy, it's not really doable. Not that I need to have those artists hunted down and silenced, but I am very sensitive to how this type of "art" plays into the big picture of our society, and there's a whole political discussion that hinges on beliefs about people's natures, and all kinds of factors.

That for you it is easy is clearly a source of some pride for you, so I guess all I can say is congratulations.

Some old songs are racist... yes, well, that's the point. OLD songs, not new songs. OLD songs that reflect old, "damaging" beliefs people held/hold that negatively affect whole segments of, and in fact, ALL of society.

VF, Director,
Misogynist Rehab
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That for you it is easy is clearly a source of some pride for you, so I guess all I can say is congratulations.
Wow. I am sensing a bit of unnecessary snark here, maybe?

I am not trying to brag about anything if that's what you are implying. I just meant that tastes in music, just as in any other kind of art, are going to vary widely from person to person and that I believe our teens are capable of examining lyrics and their meanings and enjoy a song for a variety of reasons. (Maybe lyrics, maybe the beat, maybe the interesting arrangement, etc.)

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Def Leppard's Pour Some Sugar on Me. If that isn't sexual innuendo, I don't know what is. I did know the song was about sex when I was a teen and listening to it but I'm not sure if I knew exactly what it all meant. Anyway, I think I turned out all right in spite of listening to that dirty, filthy rock and roll music.
Me too! And before I listened to Pour Some Sugar on Me, my parents played songs about prostitutes by Donna Summer, and songs about drugs by a variety of bands. Cocaine was one of my favorite songs when I was a teen, and I've never so much as smoked a cigarette.

It isn't always about the lyrics. I think many of them go right over the heads of the listener.

I often buy my dd1 (now 11) the Now That's What I Call Music cds, or the Grammy Nominations annual cd as birthday or Xmas gifts. I think Soulja Boy was on one she just got for Xmas. I wouldn't take it away.
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Oh man, talk about a trip down memory lane! Pour Some Sugar On Me is still one of my fave DL songs.
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Me? Snarky?

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Wow. I am sensing a bit of unnecessary snark here, maybe?

I am not trying to brag about anything if that's what you are implying. I just meant that tastes in music, just as in any other kind of art, are going to vary widely from person to person and that I believe our teens are capable of examining lyrics and their meanings and enjoy a song for a variety of reasons. (Maybe lyrics, maybe the beat, maybe the interesting arrangement, etc.)

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Tastes in the levels of necessary snark vary widely, UnschoolnMa. (where's the "throws her head back and laughs" smiley?)

I don't think we're talking about a matter simply of tastes in music. I think it's much bigger than that, and it has been explained here already by others who seem to feel similarly to me.

Misogyny is a huge, huge problem in society. I wish there was a mechanism with which I could silence musical artists whose lyrics degrade women, objectify women, trivialize women. I believe it is damaging to be disseminated... because it goes into children's ears, children's hearts, children's maps of the world. And I believe it is delusional to think that children have the capability to deal with this stuff. If children and teenagers are so sophisticated, so discerning, why don't they just go out on their own? What do they need parents for?

They're NOT so sophisticated, they're NOT so rock solid sure of themselves as you think, they're NOT so imbued with your good values that they virtually ARE you.

Can you remember the FIRST time your little daughter actually heard the real words of some great fun, misogynistic rap song, and how she reacted to it? I can. It HURT her. Her face fell, like it was PERSONAL. She looked up at me, her eyes searching for some explanation. "Why is he saying that about her?" (eminem's ode to wife Kim).

And you can talk all you want to her about why, and educate her for the rest of her life that "it's those other people over there...," and it's not going to explain away that personal hurt. It HURTS to be debased because of the color of your skin; it HURTS to be debased because of your gender. We pretty much shut the racist stuff down, and moreso every day. I'd like to shut down the misogynistic stuff.

VF
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Misogyny is a huge, huge problem in society. I wish there was a mechanism with which I could silence musical artists whose lyrics degrade women, objectify women, trivialize women. I believe it is damaging to be disseminated... because it goes into children's ears, children's hearts, children's maps of the world. And I believe it is delusional to think that children have the capability to deal with this stuff. If children and teenagers are so sophisticated, so discerning, why don't they just go out on their own? What do they need parents for?

They're NOT so sophisticated, they're NOT so rock solid sure of themselves as you think, they're NOT so imbued with your good values that they virtually ARE you.

Can you remember the FIRST time your little daughter actually heard the real words of some great fun, misogynistic rap song, and how she reacted to it? I can. It HURT her. Her face fell, like it was PERSONAL. She looked up at me, her eyes searching for some explanation. "Why is he saying that about her?" (eminem's ode to wife Kim).

And you can talk all you want to her about why, and educate her for the rest of her life that "it's those other people over there...," and it's not going to explain away that personal hurt. It HURTS to be debased because of the color of your skin; it HURTS to be debased because of your gender. We pretty much shut the racist stuff down, and moreso every day. I'd like to shut down the misogynistic stuff.

VF






We all love music in our home but none of us listen to mysoginistic garbage like that, good beat or not. Music is for lovers not haters. I've listened to a lot of angsty music over the years and the lyrical content is important to real music fans not just jumping on the bandwagon cos everyone else is. My dd felt the same way when she heard her first round of women-hating 'music', it is personal. My ds also hates mysoginistic crap like this cos he has sisters and loves them. Censorship is such a stupid concept, I prefer enlightenment cos if we just do the nodding dog thing towards all these erm 'artists' we may as well be collaborating with sexism which I and millions of other women experience every day, no-one seems to take it seriously enough cos no-one cares or maybe they think men have a right to treat women and girls like this. I don't hear songs about men being treated like waste-products, and all the little kiddies jiving about to it cos it's got a good beat. The real reason a lot of males are all 'lovin it' is cos it allows them free reign to express their super-imposed ( by society)mysoginy, it's not just their trousers these guys need to keep zipped. If men weren't so screwed up sexually there would be lots better music around and plenty of male bands have managed fine so far. I particularly like male bands who sing about sexism towards women and their disgust thereof, about the oppresive sexuality we are bombarded with daily. To me they are real men and real musicians. Artistic liscence? Whats it gonna be next, pedo's getting in on the act? 'my girl lollipop', there is a constant barrage of 'sexual' innuendo everywhere we go, nothing to do with sensuality and everything to do with sex as a product.How desensitized are we becoming?
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"Shutting down" racist music did not get rid of racism. Racism is still alive and well in our society, although maybe not as openly expressed. I'm sure artists are still making racist music. It's just a matter of finding it. I don't really listen to music very much so I can't name names. Society shifted away from being openly and blatantly racist and so the popular music shifted with it, not the other way around. It's the same with misogyny. As our society moves further and further away from the idea that that kind of attitude toward or treatment of women is ok, the popular music will shift away from it.

Sitting here typing this and thinking about it something occured to me. I would have never had any idea what "supermanning" is or that people even did that to other people if I hadn't heard the song. However, it's very likely that my son was exposed to this. Listening to the song together and knowing what the lyrics mean allows me to talk to my ds about how I feel about the act, which maybe gives him a different perspective on supermanning and how to treat women in general.
post #76 of 184
I don't care what the lyrics are, I want that stupid song off the radio because the music sucks. Sometimes I think that the requirement for being a program director at a radio station is complete tone-deafness. If people want to listen to a song that got popular despite being lousy, let 'em buy the album and play it on their own equipment.

(Note, it's one of about 5 songs that I dislike completely. Even in genres I don't listen to much I can find something musically good about the songs.)
post #77 of 184
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Oh man, talk about a trip down memory lane! Pour Some Sugar On Me is still one of my fave DL songs.

Photograph is mine. I love DL.
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Anyway, I think I turned out all right in spite of listening to that dirty, filthy rock and roll music.
Me too.


I have an 8 year old & while he doesn't understand what lyrics to songs like that mean right now I know that he will & we will talk about & that will be the end of it. I won't censor his music. I listened to NWA, 2 Live Crew & some crazy punk bands growing up & I am not warped... well only slightly I guess.

In june I am taking him to see The Reverend Horton Heat, The Supersucksrs (One of his favorite bands) & Nashville Pussy! We can't wait!
post #79 of 184
Can someone tell me what supermanning is? I *think* I know what supersoaking is... if it's a 'golden shower.' I can't believe I am writing this crap.
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Can someone tell me what supermanning is? I *think* I know what supersoaking is... if it's a 'golden shower.' I can't believe I am writing this crap.
urbandictionary(dot)com is the place to go.
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