Dr. Rice calls for "Generational Commitment"

[Delilah]

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/...t/03080704.htm

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
The Hyatt Regency
Dallas, Texas
August 7, 2003

Remarks By National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice At 28th Annual Convention Of The National Association Of Black Journalists



07 August 2003

Rice Calls for "Generational Commitment"
To Mideast Transformation
National security advisor compares situation to Europe after World War II

The U.S. has an "obligation" and, indeed, a "moral mission" to help bring freedom and security to the people of the Middle East, said National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in an August 7 address to a meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists in Dallas.

Rice, in a speech likening the war on terror to black Americans' struggle for civil rights, said that every nation and every people is entitled to freedom.

"Knowing what we know about the difficulties of our own history, let us always be humble in singing freedom's praises," she said. "But let our voice not waver in speaking out on the side of people seeking freedom. And let us never indulge the condescending voices who allege that some people are not interested in freedom or aren't ready for freedom's responsibilities. That view was wrong in 1963 in Birmingham and it is wrong in 2003 in Baghdad."

Rice reflected on U.S. strategy and developments in the Middle East following the attacks of September 11, 2001. In Iraq, said Rice, the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime served an essential role in the world's fight against terror.

"Now that Saddam's regime is gone, the people of Iraq are more free, and people everywhere need no longer fear his weapons, his aggression, and his cruelty," Rice said. "The war on terror will be greatly served by the removal of this source of instability in the world's most volatile region. And Saddam's removal provides a new opportunity for a different kind of Middle East."

"But if that different future for the Middle East is to be realized, we and our allies must make a generational commitment to helping the people of the Middle East transform their region."

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Comments, anyone?

[Els' 3 Ones]

*sigh*

What would the world ever do without US?


:Puke


Shame on her for daring to compare us bombing innocents into "freedom" (ahem, ahem) to the civil rights movement.

What we should have done was aid the Iraqi's in a anti-Saddam movement instead of killing them and ruining their infrastructure.

Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963. 40 years ago yesterday!

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

http://129.105.203.21/mlk/test.smil

El

[mahdokht]

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[TiredX2]

And let us never indulge the condescending voices who allege that some people are not interested in freedom or aren't ready for freedom's responsibilities.

Oh, now I see that its actually the *same* issue :

In one case (civil rights) the oppressed group themselves rose up (with support, of course) and demanded equal rights. In the other, the "oppressed"? group is having a foreign government they didn't ask for stuffed down their throats.

Now, I do believe that all people are interested in "freedom." BUT, what I don't believe is that the US has the only correct interpretation of freedom, and that it is the one that everyone wants. Hey, even a lot of citizens don't think so much of our "freedom" nowadays

Kay

[InfoisPower]

I wasn't for this war...not that it matters, I'm Canadian, and we all know that Canada has just as much clout as New Zealand.

However, as Hilary has pointed out there is a silver lining, some good to come of it. At least Saddam's spawn can't kidnap Iraqis off the street to imprison, torture, and bury them in the sand somewhere, and Chemical Ali can't gas anymore Kurds. Saddam is proving elusive unfortunately.

As far as Condi Rice goes, well she has no children that I'm aware of, so she can ask others to make a sacrifice that she won't have to.

[Delilah]

This story gets worse...

It turns out she and Rummy are marketing this "intergenerational commitment" play by revising history. Check out this article emailed to me this evening:

Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2087768/

history lesson
Condi's Phony History
Sorry, Dr. Rice, postwar Germany was nothing like Iraq.
By Daniel Benjamin
Posted Friday, August 29, 2003, at 4:04 PM PT

As American post-conflict combat deaths in Iraq overtook the wartime number, the administration counseled patience. "The war on terror is a test of our strength. It is a test of our perseverance, our patience, and our will," President Bush told an American Legion convention.

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice embellished the message with what former White House speechwriters immediately recognize as a greatest-generation pander. "There is an understandable tendency to look back on America's experience in postwar Germany and see only the successes," she told the Veterans of Foreign Wars in San Antonio, Texas, on Aug. 25. "But as some of you here today surely remember, the road we traveled was very difficult. 1945 through 1947 was an especially challenging period. Germany was not immediately stable or prosperous. SS officers—called 'werewolves'—engaged in sabotage and attacked both coalition forces and those locals cooperating with them—much like today's Baathist and Fedayeen remnants."

Speaking to the same group on the same day, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld noted,

One group of those dead-enders was known as "werewolves." They and other Nazi regime remnants targeted Allied soldiers, and they targeted Germans who cooperated with the Allied forces. Mayors were assassinated including the American-appointed mayor of Aachen, the first major German city to be liberated. Children as young as 10 were used as snipers, radio broadcasts, and leaflets warned Germans not to collaborate with the Allies. They plotted sabotage of factories, power plants, rail lines. They blew up police stations and government buildings, and they destroyed stocks of art and antiques that were stored by the Berlin Museum. Does this sound familiar?

Well, no, it doesn't. The Rice-Rumsfeld depiction of the Allied occupation of Germany is a farrago of fiction and a few meager facts.

Werwolf tales have been a favorite of schlock novels, but the reality bore no resemblance to Iraq today. As Antony Beevor observes in The Fall of Berlin 1945, the Nazis began creating Werwolf as a resistance organization in September 1944. "In theory, the training programmes covered sabotage using tins of Heinz oxtail soup packed with plastic explosive and detonated with captured British time pencils," Beevor writes. "… Werwolf recruits were taught to kill sentries with a slip-knotted garrotte about a metre long or a Walther pistol with silencer. …"

In practice, Werwolf amounted to next to nothing. The mayor of Aachen was assassinated on March 25, 1945, on Himmler's orders. This was not a nice thing to do, but it happened before the May 7 Nazi surrender at Reims. It's hardly surprising that Berlin sought to undermine the American occupation before the war was over. And as the U.S. Army's official history, The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany 1944-1946, points out, the killing was "probably the Werwolf's most sensational achievement."

Indeed, the organization merits but two passing mentions in Occupation of Germany, which dwells far more on how docile the Germans were once the Americans rolled in—and fraternization between former enemies was a bigger problem for the military than confrontation. Although Gen. Eisenhower had been worrying about guerrilla warfare as early as August 1944, little materialized. There was no major campaign of sabotage. There was no destruction of water mains or energy plants worth noting. In fact, the far greater problem for the occupying forces was the misbehavior of desperate displaced persons, who accounted for much of the crime in the American zone.

The Army history records that while there were the occasional anti-occupation leaflets and graffiti, the GIs had reason to feel safe. When an officer in Hesse was asked to investigate rumors that troops were being attacked and castrated, he reported back that there had not been a single attack against an American soldier in four months of occupation. As the distinguished German historian Golo Mann summed it up in The History of Germany Since 1789, "The [Germans'] readiness to work with the victors, to carry out their orders, to accept their advice and their help was genuine; of the resistance which the Allies had expected in the way of 'werewolf' units and nocturnal guerrilla activities, there was no sign. …"

Werwolf itself was filled not so much by fearsome SS officers but teenagers too young for the front. Beevor writes:

In the west, the Allies found that Werwolf was a fiasco. Bunkers prepared for Werwolf operations had supplies "for 10-15 days only" and the fanaticism of the Hitler Youth members they captured had entirely disappeared. They were "no more than frightened, unhappy youths." Few resorted to the suicide pills which they had been given "to escape the strain of interrogation and, above all, the inducement to commit treason." Many, when sent off by their controllers to prepare terrorist acts, had sneaked home.

That's not quite the same as the Rumsfeld version, which claimed that "Today the Nazi dead-enders are largely forgotten, cast to the sidelines of history because they comprised a failed resistance and managed to kill our Allied forces in a war that saw millions fight and die."

It's hard to understand exactly what Rumsfeld was saying, but if he meant that the Nazi resisters killed Americans after the surrender, this would be news. According to America's Role in Nation-Building: From Germany to Iraq, a new study by former Ambassador James Dobbins, who had a lead role in the Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo reconstruction efforts, and a team of RAND Corporation researchers, the total number of post-conflict American combat casualties in Germany—and Japan, Haiti, and the two Balkan cases—was zero.

So, how did this fanciful version of the American experience in postwar Germany get into the remarks of a Princeton graduate and former trustee of Stanford's Hoover Institute (Rumsfeld) and the former provost of Stanford and co-author of an acclaimed book on German unification (Rice)? Perhaps the British have some intelligence on the matter that still has not been made public. Of course, as the president himself has noted, there is a lot of revisionist history going around.

Daniel Benjamin was a Germany correspondent for Time and the Wall Street Journal from 1990-1994 and served on the National Security Council staff from 1994-1999. He is the co-author of The Age of Sacred Terror.

[Delilah]

Sorry that was so long...

It is unbelievable how crassly this Administration is trying to "normalize" the catastrophe in Iraq. Now a revered religious and political leader has been killed along with 125 others, and every time Bush opens his mouth to tell us how well things are going, something else blows up.

In a nutshell from the article: "According to America's Role in Nation-Building: From Germany to Iraq, a new study by former Ambassador James Dobbins, who had a lead role in the Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo reconstruction efforts, and a team of RAND Corporation researchers, the total number of post-conflict American combat casualties in Germany—and Japan, Haiti, and the two Balkan cases—was zero."

Mahdokht, keep up the good fight, even if seeing all this news is painful. Remember, right now many of us feel fortunate to be getting any objective news at all, after hearing nothing but Bush Pep Rallies all during the war.

Shrub's time to enroll for second career retraining at his community college is coming. He couldn't even muster 40% for re-selection in an unscientific tv station poll in Oklahoma City OK.

[TiredX2]

It seems to us, down here, that they WANT more say, more control, but they want it THEIR way, not the AMERICAN way

Thank you Hilary! *THAT* is what I was trying to say earlier. Freedom does *not* mean you do A, B, & C. It really means you get do do what *you* want, that you are free to make your own choices, not that you get to do a set group of actions labeled "freedom." At least, thats what I like to think it means.

Kay