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We are a military family and as you probably know, risking life and limb for your country is not a well-paying job. Seeing I just had child number four, and realizing how much I am actually spending on milk, cheese, cereal and juice per month, I figured we could use the financial help. I thought we might qualify. We did.

Anyway, my inner-lactivist was deeply satisfied when I showed up, little man is crying for some milk, and so I tell the lady I am going to latch him so we can finish the initial conversation. She offers me the "breastfeeding room" and I politely decline -- and I get "Good! I am glad to hear it!" Is Oxnard the breastfeeding tolerance capital of CA or what?

OK so while waiting around for our appt., I pick up a pamphlet they had out titled What Moms say about BREASTFEEDING. Anyway, among many of the quotes from mom's throughout is this little snippet:

"My husband likes it because he doesn't have to get up and feed her or deal with the bottles."


For some reason that just CRACKED ME UP! Hey WHATEVER WORKS to get people to breastfeed is cool by me, even if it's aiming at the dad's and their reluctance to have to get up, feed their babies or deal with bottles. I brought this pamphlet home just to quote it exactly right for you guys. I figured fellow lactivists would get the humor.

One part of my visit really concerned me though, I was chatting it up with the lady establishing me. She told me the lactation information in the hospitals locally are HORRIBLE, and that they have mom's leave the hospitals and come STRAIGHT to them. She said the pedis are the worst locally, they are constantly undermining. WIC employees have been telling all mothers that if they go on any medication to bring it to WIC, and NOT TO STOP BREASTFEEDING no matter what the doctor says at first. WIC is pro-actively double checking meds for safety during breastfeeding. She said 98% of the time mothers are told to stop breastfeeding when given meds but the meds are perfectly safe for breastfeeding. They offer print-outs of the information on med safety during breastfeeding for women to take back to their doctors. That makes me happy.

But here was the biggest stunner:
"I believe that the hospital workers here are getting commissions from the formula companies for each women they turn on to formula." : She isn't positive, but she suspects it's happening...

I want to find out for sure. If I find out it's true I'll need your help ladies...

Anyway, final funny note: Dolce & Gabanna purse while the mom feeds her toddler from a cheap-o plastic bottle, like 99-cent store variety. UGG boots and a HUGE Coach purse, while another mom waits for her checks. WTH? How can you afford these things and qualify for WIC? LOL Knock off's maybe? Or maybe because you don't have to buy your own formula or cheese? Heck even eggs and milk are so expensive now. Hey maybe I can afford my own designer item in a few months? hahaha DOUBT IT!
post #2 of 22
I bet she's right about the kick-backs.

I really liked reading about how the WIC office is, thank you for sharing!

Um, no. They bought the designer stuff before they had a child and because they were fortunate enough to be able to buy high-quality, durable goods before, they can still use them now.
post #3 of 22
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Um, no. They bought the designer stuff before they had a child and because they were fortunate enough to be able to buy high-quality, durable goods before, they can still use them now.
Good idea -- I have tons of Betsey Johnson in my closet from pre-kids -- still look as great as ever -- too bad I have nowhere to wear them!
post #4 of 22
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Oh YEAH some more good WIC items -- ALL OVER THE PLACE were signs and notes about how you might consider breastfeeding since WIC will NOT supply enough formula to feed your child the entire year.

Also -- the ONLY parenting magazine was Lamaze, that, and I am happy to report had not ONE FORMULA AD!!! It also encouraged natural birth, (duh) and super encouraged breastfeeding. I am also happy to report that Evenflo made good on it's promise not to show bottles or nipples in it's ads!

I am so pleased with their pro-breastfeeding attitude.
post #5 of 22
Here in my littel rural town our WIC has the breastfeeding wall of fame which features a picture of the momma and babe. i love that! they also have great pumps and offer lots of support!
post #6 of 22
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Anyway, final funny note: Dolce & Gabanna purse while the mom feeds her toddler from a cheap-o plastic bottle, like 99-cent store variety. UGG boots and a HUGE Coach purse, while another mom waits for her checks. WTH? How can you afford these things and qualify for WIC? LOL Knock off's maybe? Or maybe because you don't have to buy your own formula or cheese? Heck even eggs and milk are so expensive now. Hey maybe I can afford my own designer item in a few months? hahaha DOUBT IT!
This comment kind of bothered me... I feel like people think the same thing about me when I am using my WIC vouchers, because I dress decent, carry an expensive diaper bag, and my son wears name brand clothes. But what people don't know is that my mom and MIL bought us all that stuff... I would never buy it myself. We barely qualift for WIC because my husband works for a nonprofit, but we pay all of our bills and do not live beyond our means. WIC is the only "service" we get.
post #7 of 22
Good for WIC!!!



Coach has an outlet, and I've seen past season Uggs at a discount store.

That's off topic...carry on....
post #8 of 22
How about contacting LLL and ask their advice on what and who to write. The med group commander, patient advocate, and your congressmen could be on that list.

http://www.breastfeedingsymbol.org/education/
post #9 of 22
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I bet she's right about the kick-backs.

I really liked reading about how the WIC office is, thank you for sharing!

Um, no. They bought the designer stuff before they had a child and because they were fortunate enough to be able to buy high-quality, durable goods before, they can still use them now.

Could have been gifts too . . .
post #10 of 22
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Anyway, final funny note: Dolce & Gabanna purse while the mom feeds her toddler from a cheap-o plastic bottle, like 99-cent store variety. UGG boots and a HUGE Coach purse, while another mom waits for her checks. WTH? How can you afford these things and qualify for WIC? LOL Knock off's maybe? Or maybe because you don't have to buy your own formula or cheese? Heck even eggs and milk are so expensive now. Hey maybe I can afford my own designer item in a few months? hahaha DOUBT IT!
I don't find this funny at all. Maybe she bought the stuff pre-kids (or before losing a job or getting divorced and suddenly qualifying for WIC) and can still use it now. Maybe they were gifts from family members who would think nothing of spending $300 on a handbag but won't help with groceries. Maybe they were purchased secondhand. Maybe a combination of all three. Maybe she was picking up checks for her sister or friend.

These kinds of comments are very judgemental and hurtful to those of us who need assistance. I recall a thread a few months back from a woman who'd suddenly had an economic turn for the worse (I forget the specific situation) and was embarrassed to go to WIC because the only clothes she had were designer, her stroller was expensive, etc. There was no room in the budget to go to the thrift store for "well worn" clothes to wear to the WIC office- she had clothes that fit already.

Back to Lactivism- that WIC office sounds incredible! When I was on WIC, the nutritionists were happily surprised to see me BF without formula supplementation in the early months, and amazed that I was still BF past 6m (the security guard didn't even know that WIC benefits were available for BF mothers 6-12m PP so apparently I was the first person in a long time to fall into that category!) They were also happy that I BF past a year, although the BF mama benefits ended at that time. I honestly don't think my local WIC office did all that much to promote BF.
post #11 of 22
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This comment kind of bothered me... I feel like people think the same thing about me when I am using my WIC vouchers, because I dress decent, carry an expensive diaper bag, and my son wears name brand clothes. But what people don't know is that my mom and MIL bought us all that stuff... I would never buy it myself. We barely qualift for WIC because my husband works for a nonprofit, but we pay all of our bills and do not live beyond our means. WIC is the only "service" we get.
ita. i think there is a lot of judgement on low income moms who need government assistance, like they are all leaching off this money so they can stock their warddrobes with dolce and gabbanna. however, it is pretty easy to find fake designer purses, especially in low income neighborhood located shops. i personally have been on food stamps and wic in the pat and i have lots of nice clothes, ugg boots, a nice purse ect. many of these items were from before my son was born, some were gifts from better off financially family members and some i just bought because they are good quality and looking nice is important to me. and yes, the savings on milk and food helped me to be able to buy new clothing for me and ds if/when we needed it. is that really such a crime?

but in regards to the wic comment about breastfeeding being good for reluctant-to-partcipate-dads, so funny! and so true somtimes! lol. in college i had a professor who was an RN for 20 years. she breastfed her kids and was talking about the benefits of breastfeeding to the class- one benefit she said was that her husband loved her big, milk filled breasts! he would say "the titty fairy is coming" when she was pregnant because he thought it was so hot that her breasts were bigger and nusing aparently turned him on! i think this is something lactivists could present as a boon for breastfeeding. it is a natural primal kind of thing, a man and woman have a baby because hopefully they enjoy havings ex together, the baby is born and that intimate connection continues for both partners through the baby being fed by moms body.
post #12 of 22
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Anyway, final funny note: Dolce & Gabanna purse while the mom feeds her toddler from a cheap-o plastic bottle, like 99-cent store variety. UGG boots and a HUGE Coach purse, while another mom waits for her checks. WTH? How can you afford these things and qualify for WIC? LOL Knock off's maybe? Or maybe because you don't have to buy your own formula or cheese? Heck even eggs and milk are so expensive now. Hey maybe I can afford my own designer item in a few months? hahaha DOUBT IT!
I can see your humor. I am guilty of the same thoughts sometimes.

While there are situations like maybe she had the items pre-baby or the items were gifts... there is a lot of mixed up priorities for some people. I have driven my mom's new car to appts before because it was the safest way to get to the WIC office & I'm sure it looks bad to some, but you do see people who spend all their money on material things or who are committing fraud. Some people work "under the table" or don't claim the father's income even if they live together. Check out Craigs List for formula for sale... 9 cans of whatever brand your local agency gives out... sure sounds suspicious. There are people who will return formula to stores, get store credit & switch babies to whole milk way too early because it's cheaper. It's sad, but reality.
post #13 of 22
i just believe in general we should not judge the poor so harshly. thats it. period.
post #14 of 22
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OMGoodness I wasn't judging! I thought it was funny, like I said -- I have a closet full of Betsey Johnson! I also find it so interesting that people are so DEFENSIVE about all those labels...

I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday...I fully realize what a label-driven culture we live in. I also like nicer things because as a PP said they are well made of good material and they LAST. I too would rather have a few good items than a house full of cheap crap. I also realize that women get gifts of nicer items from wealthier relatives. Personally I have received a Bertini Stroller (about to be sold), MAC knives, LaCreuset bakeware. I also qualify for WIC.

I was pretty much making a joke about how expensive it is to buy basics like milk, cheese, eggs, cereal and juice. It's terribly expensive with four kids, so the help is invaluable. The IRONY in the labels at WIC is that it is assistance, YET, ladies are wearing clothing and carrying bags Brittney was seen with a few weeks ago, indicating wealth. Bling is big. Class and stature are huge. Labels seem to be increasingly more important than ever. I am certainly not looking down my nose assuming that people are spending a fortune on items at the expense of their children or their children's food...
(although the cheap plastic bottle did throw me, maybe that mom didn't hear about the leaching, toxic, plastic by-product in those things?) it's just ironic. It's really quite funny -- because of the mass availability of these items and the fact that anyone can essentially afford them in some way or another (for instance I bought Diesel Jeans on eBay for $13) -- really should disqualify them as status-symbols. Yet it doesn't. It's interesting. It's funny, and yes it's ironic!

So all you Coach bag carriers and UGG boot wearer's -- fear not -- I am not insulting you at ALL! Certainly don't take offense...geesh.

Hey how are those boots by the way? They look comfy. I saw them on a baby recently, who knew they made them so small? Does anyone own a pair and can give me a review?
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i just believe in general we should not judge the poor so harshly. thats it. period.
I am THE POOR!

post #16 of 22
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i just believe in general we should not judge the poor so harshly. thats it. period.
I am THE POOR too. She (OP) didn't mean any harm it was just a funny observation to her.
post #17 of 22
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So all you Coach bag carriers and UGG boot wearer's -- fear not -- I am not insulting you at ALL! Certainly don't take offense...geesh.

Hey how are those boots by the way? They look comfy. I saw them on a baby recently, who knew they made them so small? Does anyone own a pair and can give me a review?

I LOVE my UGGS!!!! I bought them as a splurge birthday present for myself back in November. I'm not lying when I say, I have worn them everyday, everywhere, with everything. Plus they are soooo comfortable and you don't need socks--even when it's freezing outside.

Ok...I'm done now..back to Lactivism
post #18 of 22
Ugg Boots are really comfy. Its sooo funny they have become popular though. When I was growing up, ugg boots were the embarrassing slippers your mum wore around the house. If you had a pair. You kept them at the BACK of the closet when your friends cam over, ya know what I mean

Anyway, back to lactivism. I though WIC was really supportive of bfing when I went there when I was still in the states before my bubba was born. LOTS of handouts and talk about lactation consultants etc.
Unfortunatly I just read somewhere that a study just came out which said the rates of BFing for WIC moms are alot lower when compared to national BFing rates.
Has anyone heard this?
I would tend to agree with it, saying that women in low-socio-ecomonic circumstances have a lot less support and resources.
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Ugg Boots are really comfy. Its sooo funny they have become popular though. When I was growing up, ugg boots were the embarrassing slippers your mum wore around the house. If you had a pair. You kept them at the BACK of the closet when your friends cam over, ya know what I mean

Anyway, back to lactivism. I though WIC was really supportive of bfing when I went there when I was still in the states before my bubba was born. LOTS of handouts and talk about lactation consultants etc.
Unfortunatly I just read somewhere that a study just came out which said the rates of BFing for WIC moms are alot lower when compared to national BFing rates.
Has anyone heard this?
I would tend to agree with it, saying that women in low-socio-ecomonic circumstances have a lot less support and resources.
Well here is my philosophies on this situation. This is from my own observations, my relating to other people, hearing what pregnant teenage girls have to say about it, etc. I don't have links to studies -- this is ONLY my OPINION:

I have heard many young women relate they would absolutely NOT breastfeed as it's "gross" or they see it as something that would ostracize them from their friends, as it's "sexual." They are terrified as being viewed as having a sexual relationship with their baby. Those who do breastfeed will do it for just a short time and not let their friends know about it. They are most concerned what BOYS think about their breastfeeding. If a boy says "that's gross man" then they won't do it. It's a matter of peer pressure.

There is also the matter of how much work it is to breastfeed in the beginning. So even a good intentioned, but very young mother may feel over-whelmed by the reality of newborn care. Breastfeeding is a night and day thing as we know, so it can be hard. Mix in a young mother's want for some freedom and formula becomes very attractive. Just leave the baby with mom and dad and go out.

In some areas of our country it was once viewed that only the EXTREMELY poor breastfed their babys -- as in no choice, so there could be a stigma attached by their mom, or even grandma. Why would you breastfeed when you can get formula for free?

WIC caters to a lot of very YOUNG mothers. Be they single, be they married, they are often young. That COULD be WHY they have a lower BF'ing rate. Mix in some of the above scenarios and yeah, lower rates. I was asking all sorts of questions yesterday. I asked about making it harder to get formula if a woman CAN breastfeed and she was saying there is no way they would do that. She was telling me that they have a lot of problems getting women to breastfeed past 3 months. She also said they have a lot of people who REFUSE to breastfeed. Period. They don't even want to talk about it. I think that here there is a mandatory breast feeding class to receive pregnancy benefits. That's GREAT!
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Here in my littel rural town our WIC has the breastfeeding wall of fame which features a picture of the momma and babe. i love that! they also have great pumps and offer lots of support!

Heehee, I know where you live just from this post. I visited that little town on a vacation and had a lovely conversation with one of the counselors there in the hallway near the office.
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