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What the heck is water kefir??  

post #1 of 10
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Sounds interesting... But I know precisely *nothing* about it.

Why does it need sugar? Isn't sugar "bad"?

What does it taste like?

How do I make it?

Do you think my 2 yr old who hates to drink anything will like it?

TIA!
post #2 of 10
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What the heck is water kefir??
water kefir is very like dairy kefir, only adapted to a non-dairy environment. it is a symbiotic collection of bacteria and fungi that make themselves a kefir matrix to live in. they are therefore very hardy, particularly at room temperature, and can easily out-compete any other microorganisms that may find your matrix (eg sugar water) hospitable. it is for this reason that they are valuable fermenting agents.

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Why does it need sugar? Isn't sugar "bad"?
it needs sugar to eat. fermentation is basically consumption of sugar. it doesn't necessarily need sugar per se: any carbohydrate will do. for this reason juice works as well as sugar water, and the kefir can be used as a kind of sourdough starter.

how "bad" sugar is depends on your belief system. you will be hard-pressed to avoid it entirely. if you consume any fruit in any form you will be consuming sucrose (among other carbohydrates); also many vegetables contain it. should you have a sugar-water concoction? well, that's up to you. the kefir does consume some of it as part of the fermentation, but it's not going to get rid of all of it; and the more it does consume, the more alcohol will remain as a byproduct, which your body also metabolizes non-ideally. so it's up to you and your conscience how much is acceptable, and of what variety, and to what extent the kefir's probiotic effect counterbalances all that.

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What does it taste like?
my batches (of fermented diluted juice) have tasted kind of sour (vinegary), and a little sweet, and slightly alcoholic, and fizzy. they were fermented rather longer than i intended, though -- shorter ferments will probably be a little sweeter, and less sour, and less alcoholic. (i'm a bit of a novice myself, you see.)

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How do I make it?
you get some kefir grains from someone. you make a solution of sugar water or juice, with pieces of ginger or dried fruit if you feel like it, and dump in the grains. leave them at room temperature for 24-48 hours. strain out the grains. put the grains in a new solution and drink the rest.

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Do you think my 2 yr old who hates to drink anything will like it?
who can say? my son doesn't like anything effervescent. i drink soda water sometimes, or soda water with a little juice, and he can't stand the fizz, so i haven't tried kefir on him. your child is different, though.
post #3 of 10
So in other words, I take it if you have Candida (as I do), you should avoid it entirely since there is *some* sugar left?
post #4 of 10
I don't like the idea of white sugar, so I make it with coconut water. You don't even need kefir grains. You can use 1/2 cup whey per quart.
post #5 of 10
kefir grains don't like white sugar very much, either. they prefer unrefined -- sucanat or molasses or like that -- if they're in sugar at all. it's more nutritious, what with having more minerals and whatnot.

but how can you make kefir without grains? that's what kefir is, so if you're making something without grains, it's just "fermented coconut water" or what-have-you, not kefir per se.

if you're concerned about sugar for candida, you can ferment it longer to get rid of more sugar. you'll never get to absolute zero in terms of carbs, so a generously fermented kefir may not be enough to trouble you. it's worth a shot because the probiotics may help tremendously in out-competing your candida.
post #6 of 10
I should have been more accurate! What I mentioned isn't water kefir soda when I use whey. I used to use kefir packets, but ran out, and had whey so used that instead. I actually think water kefir grains are different from dairy grains, and I've only ever used dairy kefir packets, so I'm clearly no expert...

I personally like the idea of using fresh coconut water over ANY kind of extracted sugar, refined or not. It just seems healthier to me. Plus coconut water is loaded with minerals and electrolytes.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by snowcrocus View Post
kefir grains don't like white sugar very much, either. they prefer unrefined -- sucanat or molasses or like that -- if they're in sugar at all. it's more nutritious, what with having more minerals and whatnot.

(snip).....

if you're concerned about sugar for candida, you can ferment it longer to get rid of more sugar. you'll never get to absolute zero in terms of carbs, so a generously fermented kefir may not be enough to trouble you. it's worth a shot because the probiotics may help tremendously in out-competing your candida.
I think the water kefir grains need the minerals.

The kefir may change the sugars, but they're still there. Ds has diabetes, and he needs insulin for all of his carbs. When I first started making water kefir, I wasn't sure how to count the kefir in terms of carb content. As it turns out, it's easy. It's the number of carbs that I put in to begin with.

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So in other words, I take it if you have Candida (as I do), you should avoid it entirely since there is *some* sugar left?
I think it's worth trying, as the probiotics are really potent and can help fight the candida. We had to fight ds's candida/disbiosis without cutting out fruits, and the kefir really seemed to help.

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I personally like the idea of using fresh coconut water over ANY kind of extracted sugar, refined or not. It just seems healthier to me. Plus coconut water is loaded with minerals and electrolytes.
And the kefir grains love the stuff! We weren't very fond of the flavor, but when we started adding lime or tangerine, then we liked it.
post #8 of 10
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Hmmm... interesting.

So I have a whole coconut - but I was just going to drink the water from it. Don't think I would want to ferment it - it's so yummy plain and hard to get where I live.

So can some people post "recipes" for me... I don't mind some carbs. I just don't like refined white sugar and usually prefer honey or maple syrup to any kind of cane sugar.
post #9 of 10
This link may be helpful:

http://www.weim.net/homeovet/Docs/water%20kefir.pdf

also here is a picture of my kefir grains:

http://flickr.com/photos/8390849@N02/2234942774/
I do make juice kefir with them hence their reddish color. Hope this helps.
post #10 of 10
My recipe:

6 cups well water
5 T. organic cane sugar
6 T. Water Kefir grains
couple sprigs of mint
half a lemon
1 fig

Delicious and Refreshing!

Water Kefir has been known to be very helpful in treating candida. That is one reason that I am drinking it.

Here is another helpful website.
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html

I have tons of kefirs grains available for the price of shipping if anyone is interested. PM me.
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