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post #41 of 112
2/4/08 at 7:18pm
My whole family had it last January and it was not fun, but symptoms were staggered, so I was well by the time my youngest had it. He didn't pee for 2 days and I did take him to the doctor, who was glad to give me a note to stay home from work to nurse him. Thank God for my milk becaus he didn't keep anything else down. For us, it was a nasty ten days, but we all did ok. I am thankful that our house is all hardwood floors, because there was puke and poop all over the place. I can still hear the splattering. We had house guests too and can you believe they didn't leave amidst all the bodily fluids?

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post #42 of 112
2/4/08 at 8:42pm
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Thanks everyone! I think I am more torn than ever now I hate to give unnecessary vaccinations, but those personal stories sound horrible and downright dangerous for a baby under 6 months old. Guess I have more pondering to do...
post #43 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:11pm
You couldn't pay me to give this to my DS or any future children....

In 1999 RotaShield was pulled from the market because of 15 cases of intussception-

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4843a5.htm
Note in here it states that 15 cases occurred, a higher number than expected.
And as of March of 2007 (the last time I checked) – 28 cases have been reported linked to RotaTeq…and it’s still out there! And here one of the co-makers of RotaTeq comments on the 28 cases in the Associated Press (trying to find the link)
Associated Press:

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“It’s a known serious, life-threatening adverse event that is being seen at an expected level postmarketing. But because it is so serious, we asked the company to change the label,” FDA spokeswoman Karen Riley said.

Dr. Paul Offit, the vaccine’s co-inventor, said the 28 reports were well below the hundreds of cases one would expect naturally. He suggested the FDA wanted to “shake the tree” for more reports about the vaccine.

“I am actually encouraged by those data: 28 cases, when you would have expected at least 500 cases, that is really reassuring,” said Offit, of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “I don’t see how those numbers suggest something’s awry. If anything, they suggest nothing’s awry.”
So how come RotaShield was pulled with 15 cases (a higher number than expected) and RotaTeq with 28 cases is well below what one would expect naturally?????????????

The more I research vaxes the more ridiculous I find *most* of them, therefore DS will remain unvaxed.

ETA - DS and DH and I all had rota I believe...DS was even hospitalized for fluids for about 12 hours...not fun...but lived through it without risking surgery/death for intessception.
post #44 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:32pm
the2amigos - in my posts, I discussed the intussception issue. There was really no more incidence of it with the vax or the placebo with rotateq.
post #45 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:45pm
What caused the intussception in the placebo? I always find these results very odd and suspicious.
post #46 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy View Post
the2amigos - in my posts, I discussed the intussception issue. There was really no more incidence of it with the vax or the placebo with rotateq.
Yes. The "placebo". How do you explain the fact that 2 "placebo" recipients shed vaccine strain rotavirus in their stools?
post #47 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:48pm
To me the Rotavirus vaccine is downright dangerous. Well, I am glad it was not on the market when my kids were little, this way I never had to consider it.
Too many babies suffered and died needlessly of intussusception.
post #48 of 112
2/4/08 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by cloak View Post
Yes. The "placebo". How do you explain the fact that 2 "placebo" recipients shed vaccine strain rotavirus in their stools?
It does seem to happen. I think someone got the vials mixed up and give some kids instead of the "placebo" the acual vaccine.
post #49 of 112
2/5/08 at 2:53am
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the2amigos - in my posts, I discussed the intussception issue. There was really no more incidence of it with the vax or the placebo with rotateq.
I understand what the numbers say with the clinical trial of rotateq. What makes me :: is that RotaShield was pulled because 15 cases occured...."more cases than expected" and just a few years later, way more cases have occured and now it's "less than expected". What changed? Can you find any documentation on that for me please?
post #50 of 112
2/5/08 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by anewmama View Post
What caused the intussception in the placebo? I always find these results very odd and suspicious.


intussception is naturally occurring. It is nothing in the placebo but just that a certain portion of the population will get it and it is not really any different than those who got rotateq. Hence, nothing to worry about as your chances of it happening are just as great even if you do not vax.

Gitti, why do you keep discussing as if the old vax and the new one are the same? Just as many unvaxed babies are dying of intussception or having complications from it as those who got rotateq. Your children who are not vaxed could experience intussception.
post #51 of 112
2/5/08 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by the2amigos View Post
I understand what the numbers say with the clinical trial of rotateq. What makes me :: is that RotaShield was pulled because 15 cases occured...."more cases than expected" and just a few years later, way more cases have occured and now it's "less than expected". What changed? Can you find any documentation on that for me please?
google


http://www.idinchildren.com/200603/guested.asp
post #52 of 112
2/5/08 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by cloak View Post
Yes. The "placebo". How do you explain the fact that 2 "placebo" recipients shed vaccine strain rotavirus in their stools?
Where does it say this. I searched the whole document but I am not seeing where it says this.

I doubt the vials got mixed up.
post #53 of 112
2/5/08 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy View Post
Where does it say this. I searched the whole document but I am not seeing where it says this.

I doubt the vials got mixed up.
It's in here. You should read the whole thing but pages 68-71 are interesting.
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/...-4199t1-01.pdf
They aren't going to tell you things like this voluntarily. You have to dig to find the truth. And the truth is that they don't know what they're doing a lot of the time...but we're supposed to trust them.
post #54 of 112
2/5/08 at 7:09pm
I like how no one bothered to even look to see what kind of secondary transmission might be happening during the clinical trials.
post #55 of 112
2/5/08 at 7:32pm
I do not see a problem with this. I did read it. Sorry.
post #56 of 112
2/5/08 at 7:56pm
cloak- I, too, see a huge problem with this in particular:

Dr. Heaton- (on why some of the placebo group was pooping out vaccine strain rotavirus):

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Then with respect to the possibilities of
how these children ended up with vaccine strains in
their stool, we really could not find the answer for
that. We,even went so far as to look and see like on
the day that that child was in the clinic, were other
children getting vaccine, you know, right before or
after them? And that was not the case. So it has
been a puzzle, and we don't have an answer as to why
these children had vaccine strains in their stool.
If they "mysteriously", somehow "magically" got vaccine strain rotavirus in their bodies, maybe THAT explains why the placebo group's intussusception rate was at "relative" levels. And as a PP stated, I'm sure they didn't mix up any vials. I wonder how much of the placebo was vaccine?

They evidently need some poop management.
post #57 of 112
2/5/08 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy View Post
I do not see a problem with this. I did read it. Sorry.
How could this vaccine have possibly been adequately tested for safety when both the placebo group and the vaccine group were pooping out vaccine strain rotavirus???

They have NO idea how it happened either. Do you honestly think that it was a well-thought out, well-conducted study? Do you really trust their results?

I sure don't.
post #58 of 112
2/5/08 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by attachedmamaof3 View Post
They evidently need some poop management.
: Poop management....

-Angela
post #59 of 112
2/5/08 at 9:44pm
How is 2 children out of 72,000 any kind of a big deal at all? That is statistically insignificant.
post #60 of 112
2/5/08 at 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
I like how no one bothered to even look to see what kind of secondary transmission might be happening during the clinical trials.
I doubt they were at all concerned about that - that's sort of something they'd consider a bonus.
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