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We are strongly considering sending our son to a M school next year. The school is for 3-8 year olds, so a primary class and an elementary class. My son will be 4. We tried to start him in a play-based preschool at age 3, but it was a disaster. I think mainly he wasn't ready to be left without me, but I suspect that the environment was overwhelming for his sensitive nature as well.

Anyway, one of the things we liked about the M concept was the quiet atmosphere. We thought it might be comfortable and less overwhelming for him. When DH and I went to observe a class, though, I was kind of disturbed by *how* quiet it really was!

In the primary class, the children were mostly almost silent. Most were working alone. A couple were sitting at the same table but not working together. There were two children at the snack table frequently, and they might have said a few words to each other. Other than that there was pretty much no interaction between children. When the teachers spoke to the children, it was in a voice barely above a whisper. They seemed to speak kindly and respectfully to the children, overall. But there seemed to be no noise allowed above basically a whisper. One child started to sing (relatively quietly) while doing her work, and she was asked to be quiet (or maybe use an indoor voice). A boy using the bathroom must have said something beyond the decibel limit and was asked to use an indoor voice.

In the elementary class, there was a similar level of quiet. The children were all working on their own activities and seemed very absorbed in what they were doing. I guess the quiet didn't seem as strange to me in a class of basically 1st-3rd graders, though.

Is this normal for a Montessori primary classroom? It just felt kind of unnatural or stifling to me for 3-5 year olds to be expected to be that quiet for basically 2 hours at a time. But this is my first experience with Montessori and am trying to keep an open mind. Do children have enough opportunity to interact and make friends in this environment?

We did observe on a snowy day, so about a third of the children had not come to school. I might have to go back to see what the "hum" of the room is like on a normal day.

I've got other questions, too, but I'll start with this. Thanks in advance for your help!
post #2 of 8
My son's in casa, so younger kids, but my parents were so disturbed by the quiet in his classroom that they really pressured us to switch to a different environment. So I don't think what you found is unusual.

It's actually one of the reasons we chose the school for my son. He has very, very sensitive hearing and always has - he can hear trains coming way more than 8 blocks away before I can. For me it was critical that he have some times in the day to regroup and have some quiet. He was also coming from our home, which is a pretty quiet environment overall.

The key word is "some" though - he's also 2.5! At our school anyway, there are "quiet times" (during the work periods) and then there are "run around the yard shrieking" times, and "sing loud songs and dance" times. I'd ask about the whole day.

In terms of interaction, again I guess this is one thing that attracted us to Montessori in general. Although I do believe in kids having the opportunity to work together, for me the idea of making a young child continually share, do what the group is doing, and essentially model behaviour my coworkers can't maintain while they get their work done () wasn't ideal. I like that the kids are allowed a good portion of their own space while they do their own activities. Our experience at our school is that there are lots of other points in the day (lunch, for example) where they get to practice their skills.

And my son has lots of "friends" (in quotes because again, he is 2.5). One of his friends from school is in our playgroup and it has been really interesting to see that they share the toys between themselves differently than with the other kids in the group, and also... err... have been known to work together to get all the toys they want in one place away from them. So clearly they're a team.

But it is a big, and frequent, criticism of Montessori, and against the usual cultural view of preschool, so it is definitely also something to ask about if it is a concern for you.
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Thank you for your reply!

Yes, it is hard to separate what really feels uncomfortable to me and what simply goes against the cultural norms I'm used to. I have this vision of a "fun" preschool, but I think my son would (and did) feel overwhelmed in a place like that. Thinking back on myself at his age, I was overwhelmed in that type of environment as well.

My son, too, is extremely sensitive to noise. When he is going to meet a new adult, he asks ahead of time if the person has a loud voice - he hates when they do. He wears hearing-protector headphones around sometimes when my husband is using loud equipment or I'm vacuuming. He, too, hears things way before anyone else. That's why I was drawn to the quiet Montessori environment for him.

Your point about the total day is important, too. We would just be sending him for a half-day (9-11:45), so it would include circle time, a long work period, and then a short time outdoors. The children who stay the whole day do have lunch time and other opportunities for interaction. I hadn't thought of that.

My son's biggest frustration right now is that his little brother is constantly hovering in his way and getting into his stuff. I think a morning at the Montessori school might be a nice break for him.

I guess I'm just concerned because this is a new school (3 years old) and a relatively new teacher... and I want to make sure she's doing it "right"!
post #4 of 8
I don't have a child in pre-school. All the same, I think seeing children quietly absorbed in their work is great. It means they are really taking in the experience. My bet is that working this way will help them to concentrate in the future. But that's just my opinion, based on seeing my DD go from being a quiet kid with great concentration, to a kid who doesn't sit quietly and concentrate as much.

xoe
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Yes, I totally agree. While watching the class, I could envision my son's deep concentration face as he would work on the activities there. I guess it just bothered me to think he would be corrected if he started to quietly hum to himself while working. But I don't know the whole story, and the girl who was corrected might have had a habit of distracting others...
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Emily, I think we are leading parallel lives!! I could have written your post. My oldest DD is 3 and has two little sisters (2 and 1) that she mostly gets along with (she's very loving and non-competitive with the 1 year old), but I feel that she is ready to attend a preschool 2 mornings a week. There are many reasons, but I chuckled when you said that his "biggest frustration right now is that his little brother is constantly hovering in his way and getting into his stuff". That happens here constantly and I always say I need to go buy a referee shirt to wear around the house.

We also tried a play based preschool twice a week and she was traumatized. Long story, but the asst. teacher was a monster. The kids were left to sit around and play with Barbie dolls while the teachers literally sat on their butts and didn't pay much attention to their interaction. Luckily, we discovered this on day 1 and there was no day 2. We tried, but DD was sobbing/screaming that she was afraid of one of the teachers and no way was she going back (this woman scared the living daylights out of me, I can only imagine a just turned 3 year old's reaction!)

I have researched everything from Montessori to Waldorf to Reggio to co-op to playbased to mommy groups and I am so excited about starting her in a Montessori school that I can barely stand it. I have toured 5 different M schools in the area and it's amazing what differences I found. Some were big schools with 100+ students and it was loud and noisy and cold feeling. One of the schools I thought the silence was very odd at first, but I noticed that the children were interacting (quietly and politely!) and having fun during job time. They were respectful of each other and mindful of each other's work rugs. I thought it was amazing!!! They have circle time and outdoor time and movement/music time, so there are plenty of chances to be silly and loud. But the work time quietness, to me, was fantastic.

I loved what the PP said:
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In terms of interaction, again I guess this is one thing that attracted us to Montessori in general. Although I do believe in kids having the opportunity to work together, for me the idea of making a young child continually share, do what the group is doing, and essentially model behaviour my coworkers can't maintain while they get their work done () wasn't ideal. I like that the kids are allowed a good portion of their own space while they do their own activities. Our experience at our school is that there are lots of other points in the day (lunch, for example) where they get to practice their skills.
Why should kids CONSTANTLY have to share? And I really laughed at the coworker comment. SO TRUE!

I think you should definitely go back on a day when all the kids are there in full force and observe some more (we have narrowed down our school choices and we're doing 2nd observations in two schools next week so that we can choose). Both the schools we're looking at have 90 minute job times and the rest of the day (we're also doing half days) is outside, snacks, circle/group time) with plenty of time to share and be silly.
post #8 of 8
Most children are sensitive to noise. You may notice increased activity or irritation in noisy places. The Directress and assistant use soft voices to model the desired behavior and it works! Also, children are usually quiet when their attention is engaged so this is a good sign.
Most observations are scheduled during the most productive time frame of the work cycle so you are seeing them at their "peak" of focus. There is more noise and activity during the transition times of arrival, dismissal and "false fatigue". This occurs about 1/2 way through the work cycle, it is a time of increased activity - the noise level often rises. If the children are given the entire 3 hours, they will settle to their most challenging work of the day after false fatigue.
Our class gets so quiet sometimes it's hard to believe there are almost 30 children in the room. It seems like about 8 - 10...this is also why we can have higher numbers in class (up to 35 or 40).
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