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post #81 of 170
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Originally Posted by Limabean1975 View Post
I struggle with the question of whether to tell my DS that "a woman is safer". In recent years here, there was a very prominent case of child (young teen) abduction, horrible sexual assault and murder, by a female & male couple. There has been ALOT of coverage of this case, and the woman was definitely a full, active and willing participant and perpetrator.

THe above poster raises a very good point, that a woman could much more easily carry off a struggling child without anyone suspecting anything, than a man.
A woman with a man not so much. A woman by herself still not great, particularly with babies.

A woman who has children with her.

I would like it to be men with children too. But I lived in a neighbourhood with a "popcorn stroll." Seeing men in minivans with child seats picking up 12 year old hookers will cure you of that for sure.
post #82 of 170
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Originally Posted by Muaile View Post
I always found it a good idea to tell my daughter that the policeman would give out if she didn't wear her wristleash/stay in the buggy. I'd point at a security guard and say he would come over and give out. it worked for me.
I'm not sure what the term "give out"means, but it sound nasty.

My father was a cop. One time he overheard a woman telling her little boy, "If you're not good, I'm going to call that policeman."

My father went up to them and told the boy, "And if she does, I'll get you an ice cream cone."

The mother was shocked. My dad explained that if the boy is ever in trouble and afraid of the police, who will help him? You should always make sure your children trust police officers, fire fighters, etc.
post #83 of 170
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Originally Posted by emelsea View Post
When we go to big, public places, I take a sharpie marker and write our last name and my cell # on his back, and he knows that if he gets lost, that he should find another mommy and show her his back.
This is such a good idea.

My own story. I was going to take my two older girls to a crazy children's museum. I had on my mind the worry of watching them both alone at a place like that. I was just really worried the night before.

Typically, my toddler wants to go in one direction, my 6 yo in another. Anyway, while I was watching them both at 2 different activities that were 3 feet away from one another, I lost my 6 yo. I bent down to give something to my toddler. When I got up, my 6 yo was gone. In the moment I'd bent down, she thought she'd lost me. By chance, my friend walked by and thought I'd left my 6 yo alone while I went to the bathroom (no, no, no, I'd never do that!!!!) and took her to where we had planned on meeting.

I could NOT believe my 6 yo would just go off. She is not like that, never has been. But, she panicked, saw a mom (she knew) as we taught her, and then that was that. Meanwhile, I walked around the area twice, and was heading to the main desk when there she was. I was so mad. Mad that she did not stay put for less than a minute. I know-- she DID do what I had told her, but wow, that was awful. We were all freaked out!
post #84 of 170
I haven't even made it through 3 pages of replies yet but I just have to say some things before I'm teared up so bad I can't see the screen!!

Yesterday we took the kids to the mall to play (darn cold, rainy weather!) and while there we thought a snack was in order.
I was wearing our youngest ds (6 wks) in a ring sling and my other two were eating their snacks and DH went for something for himself. DS1 (4yr) decided he wanted to go find DH and just ran...I jumped and ran after him yelling STOP all the while keeping my head turned to watch DS2 (2.5yr). It was a few seconds of terror to have to keep running after DS1 and what happened if DS2 decided to get up. UGH! Then afterwards I was thinking what if some creep had been watching me thinking I had my hands full and eventually something like that would happen and that would be his chance!


Also, we went shopping at a Sams Club a while ago with my mom. DS and I were looking at the train table while my mom was checking out...when DS didn't see her or I (I could see him over the train display) he just jumped and ran towards the door thinking we had left him (I think that's what he thought) and the lady saw me coming after him and saw him running and immediately stepped in front of the door and graped a piece of paper with a smiley face on it and put it in front of her and said "Hey, would you like to color this" DS stopped and looked at it and it was long enough for me to catch up. She asked him were his mommy was and he looked around and then turned around and point to me and said "There you are"

While I'm glad that she stopped him and asked HIM where his parents were...it made me think that my son will stop for anything that looks cool!! The same thing she did to stop him is the same types of things creeps do...

Reminds me to have the look for a mommy talk

THANK YOU for this post...no matter how sad it is....it's a fact of life
post #85 of 170
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Originally Posted by Demeter9 View Post
We practice the occassional "You know how you have one those temper tantrums where you flip around and scream and make yourself feel like a million pounds of fury? Do that. And yell, "I don't know you put me down!" Then we try it out so that they feel free to use their voice.

Teaching her that adults DO NOT coax children away, or ask children for help. Good adults would NOT ask a child for help. Good adults do NOT want you to leave the area. Good adults will NOT offer you food or a pet. Good adults will find your parents.
I've heard you should teach children to yell, "You are not my mommy/daddy" if someone tries to take them. I think combining that with the good adults don't... advise is good.

A funny story amongst the bleak...I was in a grocery parking lot once. A girl of about 3 or 4 was calmly sitting in the shopping cart while the mother loaded the car. The girl was screaming, "You're not my mommy. You're not my mommy." Then she would stop and smirk at her mother. Every person in that parking lot was watching and evaluating. Based on the child's behavior, it was clear this was her mother. That poor woman. You could see she knew she was being watched and that she could not reprimand her child or hordes of us would have been on her.

Another into the mind of a child story...When I was 6 or 7 my mom and her friend took me and the other kids to the lake. There were sand dune hills around it that we kids were playing in. A man came up and asked if he could take our pictures. Being a generous, helpful kid, I offered to help. He had me sit and pose. The other kids were bored and left. Nothing happened after that. He didn't hurt me. When he was done, I went back and joined everyone else. I don't remember my mom even asking why I'd been by myself. I look back at that and think how lucky I was. Even at 6 or 7 I was quite trusting and helpful. My father was a cop, but I don't remember ever being told what to do if there were problems. I really like the "good adults don't..." idea.

I also like writing numbers on arms. My 27 month son won't let anyone else touch him, but I don't know what he'd do if we got separated. If he knew where I was, he'd scream if someone tried to touch him. But what if he knew he was lost? Would he let anyone pick him up without screaming?
post #86 of 170
BTW, this issue is one of the BIG reasons I won't have more than 3 children. I worry that more would be too hard to supervise.
post #87 of 170
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Originally Posted by mybabysmama View Post
The mother was shocked. My dad explained that if the boy is ever in trouble and afraid of the police, who will help him? You should always make sure your children trust police officers, fire fighters, etc.
Police officers, fire fighters, etc, can be predators - or, predators can be disguised as police officers, fire fighters, etc. I totally am with you on not having your kids *fear* them, but 100% trust is not a good idea either, sadly.
post #88 of 170
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Originally Posted by Limabean1975 View Post
Police officers, fire fighters, etc, can be predators - or, predators can be disguised as police officers, fire fighters, etc. I totally am with you on not having your kids *fear* them, but 100% trust is not a good idea either, sadly.
I agree to an extent, but think of that kid who was lost in the woods with searchers calling his name. He hid from them because that's essentially what he'd been taught to do.

The chances of a child being abducted are much smaller than the chances of a child simply being lost.

I have checked with our library and reserved the 2 books mentioned here to learn more about this subject. For now I will be putting a marker in my purse for when we go to "big" places.
post #89 of 170
I just googled the James Bulger abduction story and I am thisclose
to throwing up right now. It turned my stomach. So sad.

I will never EVER roll my eyes at moms or dads with a leash on their
kid EVER AGAIN. If that keeps them with you and safe, then
God bless you. You do what you have to do.
post #90 of 170
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Originally Posted by hanno View Post
I think that it would be MUCH easier for a woman (especially with other children) to leave a store with a struggling toddler than in would be a man. After all, men are much more suspicious, right? :
Yes, men are much more suspicious, and with good reason. A man is much much much more likely to harm your child than a woman is. It's just the way it is.
post #91 of 170
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Originally Posted by mybabysmama View Post
I agree to an extent, but think of that kid who was lost in the woods with searchers calling his name. He hid from them because that's essentially what he'd been taught to do.
I don't know that story, do you have a name or link? Anyway, yeah, I'm not by any means advocating teaching your child stranger-danger...more along the lines of "what good adults do/don't do" and trusting your gut.
post #92 of 170
I had to do it...I googled the story. I couldn't finish reading it but I had my DH read it. He almost cried and now he says I need to homeschool the boys and I can order food and other supplies so I don't have to leave with the kids.

It really shook him up and me.

He really liked though the ideas of what to do to help your kids understand were to go when mommy or daddy are lost
post #93 of 170
Thank you for giving me something to think about tonight and every day. Great ideas in this thread. I hope I never have to go through it but if I do, I have ideas now.

After reading some posts though my heartaches. How scary to even think about let alone read about.
post #94 of 170
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Originally Posted by N8'sMom View Post
I will never EVER roll my eyes at moms or dads with a leash on their
kid EVER AGAIN. If that keeps them with you and safe, then
God bless you. You do what you have to do.
When I used a monkey backpack/harness on DD, I did not care what anyone else thought. I thought-- what is more important? Do I care more about what people think, or do I care if my DD gets hit by a car, or runs away and gets lost? Guess what I picked!
post #95 of 170
Don't Talk to Strangers and Other Parenting Myths
By Alyssa Dver

No doubt, parenting is tricky. Parenting information changes all the time plus everyone feels compelled to give their personal, often contradicting, opinions. Unfortunately, even some of the basic "rules" of parenting can't be trusted. Here we discuss four such myths that can make life or death differences.

MYTH #1: I am a careful, watchful parent and my kids are well behaved so they will never get lost.
It happens to virtually everyone: 7 out of 10 children will experience being lost at least once in their lives1. 90% of families will be impacted and the traumatic memories of these incidents will forever remain in the minds of both the parent and child1. We teach our children to be curious and independent but then we scold then for getting accidentally lost. Therefore, it is actually good parents that realize this is a common situation. They proactively teach their children that getting lost can be dangerous and they all know what to if it happens. While most incidents result in safe returns, both children and adults often retain traumatic memories for the rest of their lives.

MYTH #2: Don't talk to strangers.
When a child gets lost, he/she may be too scared, too young, or simply unable to communicate to assist an adult that is trying to help find the child's caregiver. One of the best safety practices is to tell your child to find another mommy if he/she gets lost. There is an important difference in empowering your child to ask a stranger for help versus having a stranger approach your child unsolicited. Mommies are easy to identify and find in most family venues - plus mommies are usually eager to help (and least likely to harm) a distressed child.

MYTH #3: Don't put identification outside of your child's clothing.
Safe identification includes a cell phone number that is visible and easily accessible on a child. If the child is lost, another person can quickly call to reunite the onsite caregiver. Do not hide the information in a shoe or in the child's clothing. You do not want a stranger undressing your child to find such a clue. Even if your child knows their home phone number, you don't want to continuously be dialing your home voicemail to see if there is any information about your lost child.

Many parents worry about having a child's name visible. Even though most children will willingly give a stranger their name, there are dozens of other ways that a predator can lure your child away. However, putting the child's address is actually very dangerous because in the wrong hands, your home can become a target. Whether going to a mall, to a ballgame, or to school, young children should always have safe identification visibly on them.

MYTH #4: My entire family dresses in the same color when we go to a crowded place.
It may be cute but it is rather ineffective to put your family in the same colors unless they are very bright. A small child can be much more easily spotted if they are in bright green or bright yellow. Wearing such colors (hats, shirts, jackets, etc.) can make it easier for you to see them. If you need to get other people's help to find a lost child, the bright colors make it easier for them too. It is more helpful to describe a child's physical attributes (hair color, eye color, height, weight, etc.) when you can also note that they are wearing a unique color. Keep that clothing as a special outfit for when you do venture away from home. This will help you remember what the child is wearing should you need to recall that under stress.

These four parenting myths are just some of the unfortunate bad parenting advice that has been passed down for generations and not been updated given new technology and information. Realize that these myths can be very harmful to your child and be a smart parent by preparing yourself and your family. With less effort than it takes to put on a seatbelt, teach your children not to get lost and what to do in case it happens.

For more information including a checklist of 'Away from Home' tips and a free audio seminar, visit www.wander-wear.com.
post #96 of 170
http://www.preventinglostchildren.or...20Oh%20My!.pdf

Getting Hysterical Isn’t the Best Solution
When a parent realizes that his/her child is unexpectedly not standing next to them, a typical reaction is to scream out the child’s name. If the child is not close by, screaming obviously won’t help locate them quickly (and could in fact alert a nearby child predator that your child is now by themselves). It is important to realize that non-family abduction is thankfully relatively rare
(100 out of 1.3 million). Most of the time, chances are that children are lost because they simply wandered off accidentally. Therefore, try to remain clear-headed so you can productively find your child. While high tech products are slowly finding their way into the market that will help keep track and/or find children, the technology still remains expensive and is not always easy to use, nor is it completely reliable. There are, however, non-technical products and best practices that parents and caregivers can use effectively to avoid the potential harm that can happen when a child is lost.

Put Safe, Easily Accessible Contact Information on Your Child
The most common advice given to parents is to tell their children to meet at a designated place if they become separated from their families. Unfortunately, small children usually cannot remember or find an unfamiliar place - especially when they are scared. Even children up to the age of 10 will have difficulty remembering the meeting place or other basic information such as
their home phone number. While there is no substitute for parental/caregiver attention, the best thing you can do to prepare is to put your cell phone number on your child in an easily accessible place. This allows another adult to see and use it easily to quickly contact you or the caregiver that is out with your child (your mother-in-law, babysitter, etc.). A cell phone number does not provide any dangerous information that can lead a stranger to the child’s home or school. Even if your child can recall your home phone number, the cell phone number is a much quicker way to reunite the caregiver and the child. When you are away from home, you don’t want to have to call
your home voicemail continuously hoping that you get a message about your lost child’s whereabouts. When your child is missing, you want to know immediately if someone has found your child and where you can meet them to get your child back into your arms. Young children or special needs children who cannot speak, should have the identification visible so that another person can access it easily without needing to undress or undo the child’s
clothing. If your child fidgets with the I.D., attach it to the back of the child’s clothing between his/her shoulder blades. Older children can carry the cell phone information in their pocket if you are confident that they will be able to produce that information when they need it. You can use a laminated card, a sticker, or one of the various I.D. products on the market such as
Wander Wear Parent Locator Tags. With any of these methods, consider whether you need the ID to be waterproof and if your child can and will be able to use it properly.

Dress children in bright, special “Away from Home” clothing To help spot children easily, dress them in very brightly colored external clothing such as a t-shirt, hat, or jacket. Very bright yellow or green works the best. Some parents routinely dress themselves and their children in the same color when they are going out to crowded places. Unless the color is bright, it won’t really help you or your child to spot each other if your location is crowded with people or objects. You should especially avoid red or blue as they are the most common colors that people wear. Additionally, when your child is lost, he/she isn’t going to be the only one scared and potentially unable to remember details – you may have a hard time remembering what you dressed them in that morning. To assist your own memory, only let your kids wear their special bright colored clothes when they go out to a crowded place or event. It will be one less thing you need to remember in case your child does get lost and you need others to assist you in the search. The bright colored clothing becomes a very descriptive identifier in addition to being easy to spot
and it will help you and the others find your child quickly.

Carry a recent photo and description of each child
Carrying a recent photo of your child is one of the most important things you can do for his/her safety. On the back of the photo, note the child’s eye color, hair color, height, weight, and any birthmarks or other distinguishing marks. If your child is one of multiples, note that as well. Finally, be sure to put your cell number on the back too. If your child is missing, you will have the photo and information available to assist others who are trying to help you find your child. A photo can really help other people who don’t know your child more easily identify them, especially if an Amber Alert is needed. When every minute matters, having that photo of your child with you can make a real difference in the successful recovery of the child.

Teach your child to ask another mommy for help
A scared child may not be able to find a trusted authority quickly. It is difficult to even describe a typical guard or officer. However, children as young as 1 ½ can be taught to enlist help from another mother. Children know that a mommy is a woman with other kids. Practice with your child pointing out other mommies. Also, right before you arrive at a public place, remind your child about what to do if he or she gets lost.

Reinforce good behavior
When you go out to a public place – the supermarket, gym, or mall - and you come back without your child getting lost, tell him/her that he/she was good for staying with you the entire time while you were out. Positive reinforcement is the best way to elicit the behavior you want from your child.

What to Do Immediately When Your Child Is Lost
Many public places such as retail stores, amusement parks, and beaches now have specific lost child procedures such as lock downs. If your child does get lost, try to remain calm and quickly find an onsite employee to trigger the venue’s lost child process. Don’t wander too far yourself while you look for your child. Often the child is still near by.

When to Call the Police
The National Center of Missing and Exploited Children and some state police departments advocate calling the police immediately upon realizing that your child is missing5 and you have any sense that the child may be in danger. It is much better to call the police back a moment later to report that you have found your child than it is to later regret waiting those few valuable
minutes that could have made a dramatic difference in the safe return of your child.

Celebrate, don’t berate when you are reunited
Once you are reunited with your child, be sure to congratulate him/her for following the instructions you taught to do in case he/she gets lost. Celebrate that you are back together because of his/her smart and brave actions. Don’t yell at your child for getting lost. If he/she ever gets lost again, he/she will prefer to remain lost rather than be yelled at again. If the child did not follow the proper instructions when they got lost, discuss the incident seriously but calmly and recall precisely how you both felt while you were separated. Often times, the child doesn’t even think they were missing at all – they may think that you were the one lost! Reiterate how important it is that they don’t wander off next time and remind them about finding another mommy to ask for help.

There is unfortunately “no place like home”
We do live in some scary times and the media does its best to make us paranoid about child abduction and sexual predators. We are all well aware of recovery solutions such as fingerprinting, DNA sampling and picture ID cards that parents carry in their wallets. Yet most parents don’t think about the everyday occurrence and the simple preventative things we can
do to avoid a child getting lost. While summer is a great time to be outdoors enjoying public venues like beaches, theme parks and fair, they are unfortunately common and potentially dangerous places for kids to get lost. The most important thing is to realize that children do get lost often and it is not a result of bad parenting or bad children. As “good” parents, we can be
proactive and avoid the profound trauma and possible physical harm that occurs when a child is lost, event momentarily. Whether you are at a familiar local park or on vacation somewhere foreign, every child can use some help when they get lost – and unfortunately the “Wanderful Wizard” isn’t always easy to find. So use these “lost saving” tips – its as easy as clicking your
heels.
post #97 of 170
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Originally Posted by Limabean1975 View Post
I don't know that story, do you have a name or link? Anyway, yeah, I'm not by any means advocating teaching your child stranger-danger...more along the lines of "what good adults do/don't do" and trusting your gut.
I don't have the info or a link on this kid. I tried to google it, but couldn't find it. The event happened within the past few years. A child was at camp and wandered off. They sent out search and rescue. This was in the mountains and there were concerns about cold. They eventually did find the boy, alive and well. He said the rescuers had passed him many times, calling his name, but he hid because of the whole stranger danger thing.

When I tried googling I did see that kids will hide from rescuers out of fear of strangers OR fear of being punished for getting lost.
post #98 of 170
I'm looking at these wander wear tags:
http://www.wander-wear.com/tag.html

and trying to decide which is better, something like this or just writing on his arm. Any thoughts or suggestions?
post #99 of 170
What were the 2 books???
post #100 of 170
The Gift of Fear and Protecting the Gift. Both by Gavin De Becker.
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