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So, Virginia Grace, Gracie, began her several day process of decannulation today at Vanderbilt. This first day (today) was a bronchoscopy, during which her otolaryngologist looked down her airway to assess for viability. Tomorrow he will insert a modified tracheostomy tube which will force her to breathe through her mouth. They will monitor her for twenty-four hours, watching for signs of desaturation and labored breath. If she is able to breathe normally, the doctor will simply remove the trach and apply a dressing. They'll observe her one more night and then we'll come home. The hole should heal within a month, but if it doesn't, she'll have to have surgery to close it.

During the bronchoscopy, though, Dr. Goudy didn't like the condition of her airway, saying that it was pretty narrow (made him 'unhappy'), and that there had been some collapse of the airway above the tracheostomy tube, known as 'suprastomal tracheomalacia.' I'm guessing the collapse is in some part due to the fact that she's been trached for almost three years.

Unfortunately, this may cause her to be unable to be decannulated without another surgery called Laryngotracheal Reconstruction. In this type of surgery, the narrow areas of the glottis or subglottis are opened up, and carefully shaped pieces of the Gracie's rib cartilage are placed to widen the narrow areas. The recovery from this procedure is fairly lengthy.

Dr. Goudy said that he had seen a few patients with airway's as small as Gracie's who had done well enough to avoid further surgery, but he wasn't overly confident that she would be able to do so. There are also complicating factors, he thinks, with her lungs, which we already knew to not be in the best condition. So, there may need to be a pulmonologist pulled in to the team

I'd love to hear if any of your little ones have gone through this.
post #2 of 28
I sure do hope they are able to decannulate this visit. I was terrified that the bronchoscopy for us would show something wrong and we wouldn't be able to decannulate so I would have gotten my hopes up for nothing. I really didn't think I could handle being told we couldn't take the trach out. My little one did have a sizeable granuloma but it only covered about 15% of her airway and anything less than 20% the ENT doesn't remove. We actually downsized our trach (went from a Neo Shiley 4.0 down to a 3.0) and then started capping it at home before we ever went in for the bronchoscopy.

Please keep us updated. I'm anxious to hear what happens and how she does. I was told that with the granuloma and any floppiness, as long as it wasn't too severe, it should correct itself once the trach is removed. I hope your ENT feels the same way.
post #3 of 28
Mama, you all are going through a lot. I hope tomorrow goes smoothly.

Pat
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No experience to add, just wishing you well and hoping that Gracie can avoid the surgery!
post #5 of 28
s I hope that the trial goes well and it can come out. I'm sorry there's a chance that it might not. s
post #6 of 28
Crossing my fingers that the decannulation is successful. (((Hugs)))
post #7 of 28
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Update

Gracie's pretty rattly this morning, but they're still going through with capping her off. She's been capped for about 10 minutes and is still at 98/99 saturation. They said that if there was a problem it wouldn't necessarily manifest right at first. Anybody know about this? Now, I'm feeling like I've got to be super vigilant (more vigilant? is that possible??) to watch for signs of stress. But, she's babbling and watching Elmo, so, so far so good.
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Pat
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Does anyone have any experience with "good enough" sat levels?
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by kalkiwendy View Post
Does anyone have any experience with "good enough" sat levels?

Probably at least 90%, while asleep, imo. Awake, maybe 88%. No lower than 86% will be tolerated, I don't believe.


Pat
post #11 of 28
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Does anyone have any experience with "good enough" sat levels?
Well to answer the comment before this one, my dd2 sounded (and still does at times) awfully rattly for about 9mos after decannulation because she had never had to clear her upper airway. It was a new sensation and the girl always sounded like she needed to clear her throat and she wouldn't! It has gotten better now at 11mos post decannulation but still not nearly what it should be. She had RSV last month and seriously didn't cough hardly at all which amazed and stumped everyone so they wanted to use the cough assist. I've heard that this problem is VERY common during decannulation and afterwards.

And in terms of "good enough" sats, we were told 92% and above while awake and 90% and above while sleeping. Below that over time will start to put too much strain on the heart and cause other secondary problems. Ideally you'd like to see 95% or above but as lower than that as previously mentioned will not cause harm and even dropping to the high 80's as long as they self-recover and spend the majority of the time in the 90's is tolerated by our pulmo.
post #12 of 28
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I'm starting to get excited now! Gracie slept for almost three hours and her sats never dropped below 96%!!!!!! Woohoo!
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Pat
post #14 of 28
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She dropped to 95 for a while after her breathing treatment (odd?) but is now sleeping and at 97 for a bit. I think this is actually going to happen! I can't really believe it. It seemed like we'd have the trach forever, and now it looks like my sweet little champ is going to go home trach free on Thursday. It feels too good to be true.

I know we've got a long night ahead of us - she just dropped again - but I'm really feeling positive. And it feels GREAT!!!!
post #15 of 28
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sorry to keep bumping but NOW SHE'S SNORING!!! I, who loathe snorers beyond rationality, am beside myself excited to hear the little purrs coming out of her mouth. WOW!!! So cool.
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sorry to keep bumping but NOW SHE'S SNORING!!! I, who loathe snorers beyond rationality, am beside myself excited to hear the little purrs coming out of her mouth. WOW!!! So cool.
WOOHOO!!!
post #17 of 28
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Okay, her heart rate is all over the place, like one second it's 86 and then the next it's 200. The nurse said she might just be holding her breath. Should I be worried??????
post #18 of 28
I hope everything goes well.
post #19 of 28
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Okay, her heart rate is all over the place, like one second it's 86 and then the next it's 200. The nurse said she might just be holding her breath. Should I be worried??????
A heartrate in the 70-90 range would be totally normal for her while sleeping but jumping to 200 is a bit odd unless she's in some sort of distress, having trouble breathing for example. I think they'll be much more concerned with her saturations and making sure they stay about 90% than her heart rate though.
post #20 of 28
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Well, she's alive! And kicking. And screaming. And dancing. It's so wonderful.

She had two "crises" in the middle of the night, but she self-recovered, so I'm thinking that's a good thing and won't preclude her from being fully decannulated.

Question: so, she'll have the dressing until the hole closes. Is bathing about to get even more horrible?

Thanks so much for the support, y'all. It's been really wonderful to have y'all through this!
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