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I'm at a loss *updated in #28 w/ 2nd draft of complaint letter*  

post #1 of 37
Thread Starter 
I'm not sure if this is exactly the right place to put it, but I need to get this out so I can begin to process my experience. Mods move this if necessary.

I saw a psychiatrist at our local Reproductive mental health clinic today and the whole experience has left me feeling beaten down and emotionally battered.

I take an antidepressant to treat long term depression. I took one during my pregnancy, and I eventually switched to another because I was having problems with milk supply and I felt like the other ATD was to blame. I also didn't feel it was very effective in helping my mood. I have done as much research as I can so as to make sure I'm taking something that is relatively safe for my DD.

Fast forward to now. I'm wanting to get pregnant again, but the ATD that I am currently taking is causing me all sorts of s/e not the least of which is a total lack of sex drive. (counter productive to making babies) I wanted to get a second opinion of someone who is supposedly knowledgeable in the field.

I thought it would be a quick 10 minute consult with some medication recommendations and a plan to wean from one to the next. Instead, I was treated to an almost hour long diatribe about how my problems are all due to the fact that I'm nursing my 2 year old. Which of course I should know is "not normal" and that I am doing it for my benefit not DD's. But nursing is making me depressed, oh yes I'm fat too because I'm nursing. And of course my being fat is also a problem. (apparently fat people can't have orgasms)

So apparently I'm "rationalizing" the fact that she is getting a tiny amount of atd in breastmilk in order to make myself feel ok with continuing to nurse. (DD nursed once today..) In her opinion, I should quit nursing, like yesterday because I really should know it "isn't normal you know".

I wish I had had a second person with me today. I am already becoming unclear about the details. She is extremely condescending and made me feel about 2 inches tall by the time I left.

I know I am fat. I also know I need to take time for myself. I also know it would be better that my DD never be exposed to any sort of medication from my milk. Does she think I like taking meds? Does she think I like the idea that there is transfer of meds to milk? Has she never heard of Dr Hale?

Her immediate recommendations: Join Weightwatchers, go to the gym and wean DD. She did recommend another SSRI, but only if I weaned DD.

Bleargh....

*** Update with the beginning draft of my letter of complaint. DD woke up so I am taking a break for now, but wanted to post what I have so I could begin to get some feedback. I have found some info online regarding her "bedside manner" and her total lack of support for breastfeeding. I don't know if I should add this information since it is not really my info, and it is also from an anonymous internet source. (ratemd.com)
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I am writing to lodge a formal complaint against Dr M. I saw her on the morning of February 11, 2008, at the Reproductive Mental Health Clinic at Women’s and Children’s hospital. Dr C, a psychiatrist who I have been seeing for therapy for many years, referred me to her. The appointment with Dr M was to be a consultation regarding antidepressant medications while breastfeeding with a look towards potentially becoming pregnant in the next year. I had previously seen her for a medication consultation before becoming pregnant with my daughter. I remembered her to be brusque in manner, but informative. Unfortunately my experience this time was far worse.

My main concern with the current medication that I am taking is that it is causing me undesirable side effects. At the time of the appointment, I was taking 15mg of Paxil daily. While I was pregnant with my daughter, I took 75mg of Effexor, but changed to Paxil, because I felt that the Effexor was damaging my milk supply and my ability to breastfeed my daughter. I was hoping that she would be able to recommend something that was safe for breastfeeding and pregnancy.

She dismissed my desire to continue breastfeeding my child and instead insisted that nursing a two year old “is not normal”. She questioned my motives for continuing to breastfeed my daughter, stating that it is often the case that mothers continue breastfeeding to satisfy some need of their own, not the needs of the child. She questioned if I thought it was “fair” to my daughter to expose her to medications in my milk. When I replied that the amount of medication was minimal, and that the dose was extremely low, she said that I was “rationalizing”. She hinted that I would be doing irreparable harm by exposing my child to these medications and made vague references to the “rights of the child” hinting that someone has to stand up for her. When I got defensive and stood up to her, she changed her tactics and started berating me about my weight.

She stated that the sexual side effects that I was experiencing were, in her opinion, caused not by the medication, but by my lack of self-esteem and my level of obesity. I do not believe this to be the case. I have always been heavy and it has not affected me in the past.

During the consultation I became very upset. I felt bullied and intimidated. Dr M jumped from topic to topic seemingly with no coherent plan and in the end I felt like I would say anything she wanted me to in order to leave. Why I did not walk out, I do not know. She was condescending and treated me as if I was uneducated. At one point she asked if I had brought my daughter with me. I said yes I had, and immediately she looked alarmed and asked where I had left her. She seemed to think I would be careless enough to leave a two-year-old child running free in a waiting room. For the record, my Mother in law was caring her for in the waiting room.

She did finally recommend a medication, but would only do so if I would agree to wean my daughter. I had asked about returning to Effexor, and she said she wouldn’t want me to do that because she thought I would continue breastfeeding my daughter.

Her recommendations were that I join Weight Watchers, wean my daughter, and begin an exercise program. She also recommended putting my child in daycare, so that I could be free from her. While these seem to be sound recommendations they do not address the original purpose of the visit.
I think the most disturbing result of this appointment is that I left the office feeling despondent and depressed. I felt bullied. I did not stop crying for at least an hour after leaving. I question what could have occurred if she had dealt with a truly depressed person in the abusive manner she used with me. I have done some preliminary research on my own and anecdotally this seems to be a pattern of behaviour dating back at least a year.
post #2 of 37
OMG. I live in BC -- where did this happen? I would like to warn others (if it's private info., will you please PM me?)

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And coming from a woman... wow, how disgusting.

I don't know what you can do, but I wanted to give you my support and encouragement to take a stand and report this somehow.
post #3 of 37
That's madness. The information from the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority reflects the info from the WHO and recommends bf for two years and beyond. As for the other comments, well, that's just plain rude.
post #4 of 37
Wow - that's stunning, but particularly upsetting to see you recieved this kind of treatment at a reproductive mental health clinic (I might be less surprised but no less disgusted if it were a family doc).
You are absolutely correct that you received poor advice and were not treated respectfully or compassionately. I honestly think it warrants a complaint to the clinic if you're up to it.

That said, is there anywhere else you can go for help? Perhaps you could give Motherisk (www.motherisk.org) a call to get a local referral to someone whose medical advice is evidence-based.

Hugs to you...
post #5 of 37
Thread Starter 
This was at the Reproductive Mental Health Clinic at BC Women's hospital. My regular doctor warned me that this woman could be a bit "brusque". I just looked up brusque in the dictionary and the definition fit her to a "tee" It said something along the lines of blunt in manner to the point of ungracious harshness.

Oh, yes she also said I should put DD in daycare, and that I needed to have "freedom" from my child.

I'm trying hard to get up the guts to write a letter of complaint. I feel like it will be her word against mine and I was the blubbering idiot sitting there in her office. In the end she had me so in knots I would have agreed to anything just to get out of there.

Thank you for the support. It means a great deal to me. I was debating about posting at all.
post #6 of 37
Little Kayleigh is lucky to have a mom like you.
post #7 of 37
I always feel better about things when I write them down. Maybe if you started writing a letter it would help organize your thoughts and make you feel stronger about the situation. Her advice was bad advice. I feel sad for the mama's out there who may have taken her words to heart and followed her advice. You mentioned that your doc warned you about her. Could it be that maybe she is on shaky ground as it is and maybe a well written letter would be the extra push it takes for something to be done?
post #8 of 37

I'm so sorry that you went through that.

She sounds quite ignorant about breastfeeding. Most health professionals stay away from giving advice about topics they are not familiar with. For example, I doubt a breastfeeding professional would ever comment on the type of surgery that is best to remove a gallbladder. Why would she think that breastfeeding a 2 year old is "not normal"? That shows complete ignorance!

Are you able to respond to her inappropriate advice in writing (WHO info etc) and send a copy to her, and higher up the ladder as well?

Good luck with this - I'm angry just hearing about it!
post #9 of 37
Holy crap. That's just abusive. to you.
post #10 of 37
I'm so sorry to hear about what you went through. Please ignore everything that "doctor" told you. You are doing something perfectly normal and healthy for both you and your daughter. Please have a look at the link below for some wonderful info on breastfeeding friendly treatments for depression. The information is all open-source and can be shared with your doctor. In particular, the link titled "A Breastfeeding-Friendly Approach to Depression in New Mothers: A Curriculum and Resource Guide for Health Care Professionals" is very useful.

http://www.breastfeedingmadesimple.c...s/page0007.htm
post #11 of 37
Thread Starter 
Oh, thankyou for that link! I'll look at it at nap time today.

It just boggles my mind that she is the codirector of one reproductive mental health program and the director of another. My husband was wondering if this was the "peter principal" in action.
post #12 of 37
I am so sorry you had this experience! I live in Vancouver and am outraged by this "doctor". I would contact the breastfeeding clinic at BC Womens/Childrens and advise them of your experience, so that they are aware that another professional within their practicing hospitals is giving out such outrageously stupid and incorrect advice.

Then I would write a nice brief but clear letter outlining your experience and this doctor's lack of positive medical advice, as well as her blatant prejudice against people with weight problems and mothers who are the primary caregivers for their children (by the way, did she offer to pay for daycare for you? sheesh.). I would send that letter to the head of the hospital and the board of medical practitioners (or what ever they call themselves). Include information from Canadian/BC resources supporting extended breastfeeding and bfing and depression. Perhaps LLL could help you create the letter?

Another thing you may wish to bring to the attention of this doctor's superiors/governing body is that she completely ignored the purpose of your visit...to switch to antidepression meds that are compatible with nursing and do not impact your sex drive. Bad, bad doctor.

(((hugs)))
post #13 of 37
Even if you ignored the fact that her weaning advice was ill-informed and inappopriate, you would still have a strong basis for filing a complaint with her supervisors simply on the basis that you FELT MORE DEPRESSED walking out of her office than you did going in! What the heck is the justification for criticizing and putting down a person struggling with mental health issues - when you are there ostensibly to help such people?

This story is maddening. I hope the support from this board lets you know that you are right so you can feel better. You're a committed mama doing the best you can - stay-at-home motherhood is a d*mn tough job. We should all find ways to take better care of ourselves - you are not alone in that, and you are trying! Hugs to you -
post #14 of 37
She acted in a very unprofessional manner. A letter of complaint is definitely in order.

Even if she thinks that weaning, putting DD in daycare, etc would be of benefit to you, she still should have been knowledgable of medication appropriate for pg and nursing moms and should not have denied you medication because she doesn't like your lifestyle! I mean, you went to her for medication management, not psychotherapy!
post #15 of 37
WOW. I am so very sorry. I would send her - no I would deliver- a letter. I would also CC the letter to the people above and around her. Unbelievable.
post #16 of 37
Honey, I am soo sorry you had to go through that!!! I don't care HOW big you are, it's not the problem!!! And three cheers for not buckling under and weaning your baby!!! That woman was SOOO out of line!
I wish I had more productive advice, but I wanted to send you a
post #17 of 37
Thread Starter 
The support that I have received here has been so uplifting. Thank you all so much.

I've been doing some digging and apparently this is a pattern of behaviour that seems to be bordering on pathological. I will be making a formal complaint. When my husband comes home today, I'm going to get his help in drafting a letter.

I'm considering posting on finding your tribe and seeing if anyone else has had experiences like this. I looked her up on ratemd.com and the reviews are appalling.
post #18 of 37
I'd echo the person who spoke about the cc. Through all of my activism, I have constantly been impressed with the power of the cc-ed letter. Make sure that you cc her superiors, any newspapers (should you wish to go that way, I am sure that local LLL leaders would be able to speak for you as well) and the medical board. And then write all of the cc's down at the bottom of the letter you send to her so that she knows you sent them to other places as well.

Unless you feel like chatting with her in a friendly way first. :

You could always send one letter at first and cc it to a few people, and ask for x, y and z actions to be taken. Then, if they aren't taken, you can cc it to the media, etc.

I can always help. I love doing this kind of thing.

And the cc is what has gotten me a near-instant call from elected officials.

Take care.
post #19 of 37
That is HORRIBLE. Man, I would complain to the hospital about her.
post #20 of 37
It was a doctor? A psyciatrist? A lactation consultant? A fertility consult? What was going on here? What a psycho! What does still nursing have to do with anything?

I bet you would be more depressed if you stopped nursing (I know I was what with all the hormone changes and sometimes-associated mommy guilt.)

Absolutely ludicrous. Arrogant. Rude. Disgusting.

I am so sorry.

I visited with a health professional today who said it was 'really awesome, so great' that I was still nursiing my almost two year old.
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