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post #21 of 32
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Vaccines that are supposed to safeguard their health
yet, according to our studies, can also do harm to
some children.
Awesome, where can I read those?
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by suschi View Post
I honestly cannot understand how anyone can look at the side by side comparison and not have some twinge of terror and wonder if maybe, just maybe, the vax program may be doing more harm than good.
Cause correlation doesn't imply causation? What's that, 1 lesson in statistics? Maybe 2nd?
post #23 of 32
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky View Post
Awesome, where can I read those?
Are you asking for clarification on whether any children have ever been harmed by vaccines...I think you can even read that on the CDC parent pages.
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky View Post
Cause correlation doesn't imply causation? What's that, 1 lesson in statistics? Maybe 2nd?
So, the pain you feel after a slap in the face doesn't necessarily mean the slap caused the pain?

And the sky is not blue, it just appears to look that color.

I don't need a statistic lesson to know that a vaccine is probably the culprit when an infant screams from the time of injection up to the time of death.

Nor a lesson to know that when small amounts of poision are continuously injected or fed to someone over a period of time, that their deteriorating health is probably a direct result.

And I see a naked Emperor, while you may be commenting on his enchanting attire.

I am just thankful that I don't have to wait for an "official" answer or "permission" to make my decisions.

If the side by side comparison doesn't concern you, I am surprised, because it sickens me.
post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by suschi View Post
I honestly cannot understand how anyone can look at the side by side comparison and not have some twinge of terror and wonder if maybe, just maybe, the vax program may be doing more harm than good.
Someone, looking at the ad, commented how far advanced our health care has become.

This was a teacher who had never researched vaccines, knows nothing about the subject but ...

she fully vaccinates her children and believes there should be no religious or philosophical exemptions allowed for anyone in our great country. (Her words!)
post #26 of 32
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I honestly cannot understand how anyone can look at the side by side comparison and not have some twinge of terror and wonder if maybe, just maybe, the vax program may be doing more harm than good.
Well, if you are coming from the standpoint that the benefits outweigh the risks (as well as perhaps someone who sees more temporal association with many reactions and doesn't feel the causation has been sufficiently proven), then having more vaccinations wouldn't cause them fear or alarm.

There are plenty of people educated on vaccination who might just think "good to have another choice in the prevention of ____ disease." or the like


Then someone coming from a different standpoint, perhaps someone who feels the ingredients in vaccines are toxic and dangerous and the reactions have been proven enough for their threshold of causation, then that person would be very upset seeing the comparison.
post #27 of 32
Thank you! This was just the thing I've been hoping to find for my skeptical DH (I just emailed it to him). He wants DS2 vaccinated and I don't. He's 7 months old and so far no vaxes, but DH isn't thrilled about it. DS1 was fully vaccinated (back when I was mainstream and did whatever my doctor said to do - boy have things changed!) has eczema, food allergies, asthma, failure to thrive and had massive tonsils and adenoids removed at the age of 2.5. I can't help but think I wrecked his little immune system with those f#@*ing vaccines!! I regret it everyday...
post #28 of 32
CanidFL, WOW. What a list. Where is the jaw dropping emoticon when you need it!?
post #29 of 32
Thank you for that pdf file! I'm emailing that to my best friend and another girl (who specifically asked me if my DS got shots when I was on the phone with her one day), they should see this.
post #30 of 32
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
Someone, looking at the ad, commented how far advanced our health care has become.

This was a teacher who had never researched vaccines, knows nothing about the subject but ...

she fully vaccinates her children and believes there should be no religious or philosophical exemptions allowed for anyone in our great country. (Her words!)
and from carriebft:

"Well, if you are coming from the standpoint that the benefits outweigh the risks (as well as perhaps someone who sees more temporal association with many reactions and doesn't feel the causation has been sufficiently proven), then having more vaccinations wouldn't cause them fear or alarm.

There are plenty of people educated on vaccination who might just think "good to have another choice in the prevention of ____ disease." or the like


Then someone coming from a different standpoint, perhaps someone who feels the ingredients in vaccines are toxic and dangerous and the reactions have been proven enough for their threshold of causation, then that person would be very upset seeing the comparison."

I used to vaccinate my children according to schedule, at least my first two that were born in 1984 and 1987. When my 3rd child was born in 1995, I was wondering why he needed even more vaccines/doses than my first two, that increase alone started my wheels turning....so it's not a huge leap to think this current side by side comparison would get other pro vax people to take a step back and really look at this program, where it has been, where it is, and where it's headed. Then again, there are those, as Gitti pointed out, will just remain in the mindset, the more the merrier. Just as there will always be people who in spite of the well publicized problems wrt antibiotic resistance, will continue to use antibacterial products in their home and will continue to demand antibiotics for their sick children.
post #31 of 32
I was just answering to your statement that you could not understand how anyone would not look at that and see it differently than you/ not be worried about it.

For me, it's not difficult to imagine a person seeing it as scarey....or a person seeing it as not.
post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
I was just answering to your statement that you could not understand how anyone would not look at that and see it differently than you/ not be worried about it.

For me, it's not difficult to imagine a person seeing it as scarey....or a person seeing it as not.
I understand. And I replied because I have been on both sides of the fence, and I was on the pro vax side in the early 90's looking at a comparison schedule and even though I had never questioned vaccines at all up to that point, that comparison got me thinking...and if just the minor comparison (compared to the USA Today ad's) got me a wondern', well, thinking out loud, I have to wonder how many parents this ad is going to jump start.
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