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post #61 of 74
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Originally posted by kama'aina mama
There have been extensive explainations of Kosher laws offered in the Spirituality forum by our Jewish sisters. Perhaps you would like to look there for this information rather than further derailing this discussion... the topic of which is... uh... wait a minute, it'll come to me. GAY MARRIAGE!!! That's it. Whew!
Uh, good point kama...oops.

post #62 of 74
Dang Beloved Bird, you are
A) Fast!
B) Informative
and C) Concise!
post #63 of 74
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Originally posted by dh2Carmen
thanks "Big Bird"!!!

I got some learning to do.
excuse me???!!

I haven't much liked your posting style until now. But mocking my name is another thing.



-BELOVEDBird
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post #65 of 74
hey there, oopsie!!!! Sorry about the name changfe there, I got lots of kids on my mind distracting my thoughts. I did not 'mock' your name, just made an oops!

SEe ya round' y'all. Especially The "Beloved Bird" today.
post #66 of 74
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Originally posted by kama'aina mama
I'm sorry Kama. But my SN is my actual name- well a translation- of a name that I think is meaningful and beautiful and expresses my Mother's feelings when she named me. I do not think it is appropriate or funny to turn my name into the name of a big puppet in an attempt to mock me.I think it is rude. I think that if I expressed my not liking it it is rude of you to laugh.

Yeah, Dh2 I see you put quotation marks around everyone's names:
post #67 of 74
Oh POOP! I was NOT laughing at that!

I was laughing at you and obviously cross posting for.. well, like 5 or 6 posts in a row, INCLUDING the laughing post. I kept getting caught in the flood control. I am well aware of your regard for your name. It is the reason I seldom, if ever, shorten it to BB as many people do.

I am sorry you felt I was mocking you.
post #68 of 74
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Originally posted by kama'aina mama
Oh POOP! I was NOT laughing at that!

I was laughing at you and obviously cross posting for.. well, like 5 or 6 posts in a row, INCLUDING the laughing post. I kept getting caught in the flood control. I am well aware of your regard for your name. It is the reason I seldom, if ever, shorten it to BB as many people do.

I am sorry you felt I was mocking you.
Aw shoot Kama! Thats why it is a mitzva to give the benefit of the doubt. I am Sorry for ASSuming.
I dont mind BB though. It makes me feel like I'm part of the in crowd with a hip nickname.
post #69 of 74
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Originally posted by abimommy
DaryLLL are the things in parenthesis your words?
Thanks for asking, Abimommy. The answer is, yes and no. It is a summation of interpretations from several websites I perused this morning. As I said, it is by no means the final word, as there is no final word on Biblical interpretation, as far as I know. And of course, I am no expert on Talmud. I'd never heard about the Noahide laws until a few months ago when BB hipped me to em.

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Your explanation for #2 is incorrect. Incest is having sex with your sibling or parent and adultry is having an affair while you are married.
Well, the law may be more general. In fact it covers things like bestiality as well! (I even read on one website that you shouldn't have sex with angels, as that is considered bestiality, as angels are a different species from us. This was perhaps the sin of Sodom after all. Bestiality, not homosexuality??!!) This law is in Exodus, I believe, but I can't look it up right now.

T That blood in the meat thing? Apparently, G-d and the Hebrews had the idea "the life is in the blood," so eating an animal's blood was somehow disrespectful. As far as I can figure. Which is maybe wrong too! I am still learning all this stuff.
post #70 of 74
Yeah, but BB puts me in mind of those silly pellet guns 11 year old boys always want. Nowhere near the lovely image your name evokes. I always picture the white dove from Dylan's "Blowing in the Wind", sleeping at peace, finally in the sand.


Now, if we can get past the love fest. The topic was???
post #71 of 74
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Originally posted by kama'aina mama

Now, if we can get past the love fest. The topic was???
Sex, kama, certain kinds of sex that are not good. Or so some think.
post #72 of 74
Everyone pease stay on topic.

If you would like to be off topic you are more than welome to start an "Acivism posters" thread in FYT.

Thanks.
post #73 of 74
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... by kama'aina mama
... Now, if we can get past the love fest. The topic was???



The topic was the love fest, darling ...









Wait, I myself said it was about the law, not love.

Never mind.



post #74 of 74
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Originally posted by BelovedBird
Eating the flesh off of a live animal is forbidden according to the seven noahide laws- not flesh of an animal, not blood. Seeing a sheep with a juicy, muscular leg, chomping clovers in the feild and going over to it and ripping that leg off to eat it- while the animal is breathing and alive. I think you agree this would be an exesively cruel practice, but one that in some groups may have been acceptable.
T
Actually, this would probably be LESS cruel than what a typical animal raised for meat endures in today's society!!!! At least in your example the sheep knew what clovers tasted like and what a it felt like to wander through a field, rather than being confined to a cage just larger than the size of its body, fed recycled animal feces, and kept from the light of day until taken from the farm factory for slaughter and then probably bleeding to death in the slaughterhouse while still alive.

Sorry, on my

I'm just always amazed at how people can think something's cruel only if it's done by them or where they can see it.

As for the OT, Gay marriage should be legal. Not because it's morally right or wrong, but because we have freedom of religion in this country, and you cannot force someone to follow what YOUR religion says is right or wrong. The only objections I know of against gay marriage are either that it's "gross" or that it is non-procreative or that it is morally incorrect.

To address each of these:
"Gross":
Too bad, get over it. As you could probably tell, I find it gross that people eat meat, but can't make a law that forbids it. I'm sure there are things that lots of people find gross but we simply cannot outlaw everything that someone might be disgusted by.

Non-procreative:
As was mentioned earlier, some couples cannot or do not want to have children; should they not be allowed to be married. What about second marriages later in life after the childbearing years when the couple is sterile? Should they not be allowed to be married? Besides, which is better, a husband who is able to impregnate his wife but is also abusive towards her and their children, or a loving gay couple who adopt a baby?

This only leaves "morally incorrect" as a possible objection to gay marriage, and since that is totally based upon ones own religious/philosophical beliefs, it should not be mandated by law in a country that *supposedly* espouses freedom of religion.

No other moral arguments (such as the children suffering, as if they don't suffer if one of their parents dies or if their parents divorce-as a child of divorce, I'd rather have had two happy gay parents than have gone through the hell I went through) hold any water except those based upon religion. I completely respect each individual's right to deem what they feel is morally correct or incorrect, all gays are asking for is the same respect.
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