Am I the only crunchy person who doesn't "get" homeopathy? - Page 4

[thefragile7393]

Originally Posted by abac

I don't go for it either. Placebo. At least people are making money.

If this was true, my animals wouldn't have responded to it. They have no clue as to how to create a placebo effect, and they were on no other supplements BUT homeopathic. I've seen it work on my son who is now 2 and has no clue how to create a placebo effect. If it's only a placebo, how do you explain this? I know what I've seen with my own eyes, and it was NOT a placebo effect.

I've seen it work more often then not, and once I chose to take an in-depth study of it, I learned more about the whole system. Not everyone is into it or thinks it works of course, but I personally have seen it work in myself and in the above mentioned cases.


"yep, I think it's a crock. Teething remedies never worked at all for my kid."
Odd reasoning....so if it dosn't work on your child it means it never works at all for anyone?
"Vibrations? Please don't make me laugh." Try learning about it from a trained homeopath before you knock it...if you actually try to do an in-depth study and review you would learn that it's more then that. "I have to believe in it for it to work? Uh, then it's a placebo, not really working." Uh no, you don't have to "believe in it," I've used it on the husband who thinks I'm a loon, and it most cases it's worked on him.

"I want to know why homeopathic remedies are so expensive if they are basically water."
Expensive? I pay around 7 bucks for remedies at the health food store....heck of a lot cheaper then my 20 buck co-pay for a doctor and then 20-30 bucks more to pick up my prescription! I don't think I've paid more than 10 bucks for any remedy.

[Dar]

But 10 bucks for a tiny vial of water (or sugar water, or alcohol) that may have one molecule of arsenic in it seems pretty steep, considering that water comes from the tap for almost nothing and one molecule of arsenic (or whatever is in the remedy) would cost a tiny fraction of a penny. I dount the raw materials would add up to more than a nickel, honestly.

I have not seen any peer-reviewed, double-blind studies demonstarting the effectiveness of homeopathy. Anecdotes really mean nothing. There's no way of knowing whether the person or animal would have recovered anyway, or whether the water/sugar/alcohol in the homeopathic remedy was really the curative agent.

Dar

[Periwinkle]

Originally Posted by thefragile7393

"yep, I think it's a crock. Teething remedies never worked at all for my kid."
Odd reasoning....so if it dosn't work on your child it means it never works at all for anyone?

This is the exact same reasoning as "it worked once on my cat therefore it must be great."

Originally Posted by thefragile7393

"I want to know why homeopathic remedies are so expensive if they are basically water."
Expensive? I pay around 7 bucks for remedies at the health food store.

That is an awful lot of money to pay for 2 ounces of water or 5 grams of talcum powder. It's not like anyone could even make the argument that there are any R&D costs to recoup. lol

[Cookie5765]

I am a total believer in homeopathy and plan on eventually getting my homeopathic training in order to be able to help others (it isn't as easy as just saying "oh, this mixture says it's for allergies...that's the one I should take). There are MANY variables (which is why some remedies work for for some people and not for others despite seeming to have the same symptoms)). I consider myself a homeopathic snob because I do a lot of research before trying a certain remedy (single remedy...I don't do premade mixes). Talk to me again in 5 years and I'll be able to give you significantly more information.

MANY hospitals in Europe use homeopathy and I feel we are so behind the times on this matter.

[Panserbjorne]

Why in the world is anyone saying you have to believe in it for it to work? That is ABSOLUTELY not the case.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by Dar

But 10 bucks for a tiny vial of water (or sugar water, or alcohol) that may have one molecule of arsenic in it seems pretty steep, considering that water comes from the tap for almost nothing and one molecule of arsenic (or whatever is in the remedy) would cost a tiny fraction of a penny. I dount the raw materials would add up to more than a nickel, honestly.

I have not seen any peer-reviewed, double-blind studies demonstarting the effectiveness of homeopathy. Anecdotes really mean nothing. There's no way of knowing whether the person or animal would have recovered anyway, or whether the water/sugar/alcohol in the homeopathic remedy was really the curative agent.

Dar

You are inflating that cost. I know I pay about $7 for 100 or so doses. If I buy them in water it's a one ounce bottle generally-not a "tiny vial."


Do you have any idea how much effort goes into making that remedy? Quite a bit. You're not paying for the material in this instance, but in the effort behind the development. How much does an actual cup of coffee cost at starbucks? It costs them less than 5 cents to make. People happily pay it, though I have NO idea why. You do, of course realize that EVERYTHING has a mark up, right?

[WuWei]

This recent thread "double-blind placebo-controlled studies on Homeopathy?" might be of interest:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=classica

Pat

[sphinxie]

I am not reading the whole thread... I thought I would just pipe up and say, I don't get homeopathy. I am not against it though. I see an ND, and homeopathy is one of the tools many of them use. I have had homeopathic remedies work, but they would not be enough, nutrients and probiotics etc are more important for me.

I once took a homeopathic arsenic anti-parasitic remedy given to me by an ND that hurt so much I panicked and thought I was having internal bleeding. So I don't think they're always so mild. However I would not recommend that particular remedy!

[Jane]

There is no reason on this earth that a homeopathic would work. Any improvement after taking a homeopathic is due to other reasons - therefore, the homeopathic is a waste of money and effort to find it.
There can be a harmful effect from thinking that one's normal body needs to be propped up with remedies - often at substancial cost.

I have seen positive effect from homeopathics in two instances - waiting for a breech to turn and an ear infection to resolve. Doing "something" allows people to await the natural process. That is a positive when the alternative is freaking out & scheduling a c-section or giving antibiotics. But I wouldn't recommend them.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Apricot

There is no reason on this earth that a homeopathic would work. Any improvement after taking a homeopathic is due to other reasons - therefore, the homeopathic is a waste of money and effort to find it.

Yep. I believed this also. Until I saw the benefits with my own eyes.


Pat

[rayo de sol]

Originally Posted by loveandkindness

Frankly, I don't believe in allopathic medicine!

Me neither! I think there is a placebo effect going on with most of the medications that people take.

The placebo effect is nothing to cough at, by the way. It's a wonderful way to heal ourselves and our loved ones because our bodies can make all the chemicals we need to heal just by believing that we are healing. The placebo effect is also what's happening when we heal our children and pets because they believe they will feel better because that's what we the caretakers believe.

I have to admit, though, that I don't "get" homeopathy either--and I was raised on homeopathy! I never really noticed that homeopathy did anything amazing for me. These sorts of things are very subjective: Did the swelling go down a little? Does my throat feel a little less sore?

We had the extensive homeopathic kit, and we went to see homeopathic doctors. There were no miracles or cures for health problems such as asthma or menstrual cramps. After minor injuries or during the flu, it seemed like homeopathy made some people feel a little better via the placebo effect.

I'm into more tangible forms of alternative medicine like herbs and nutrition.

[2Sweeties1Angel]

It's a wonderful way to heal ourselves and our loved ones because our bodies can make all the chemicals we need to heal just by believing that we are healing.

Our bodies can't heal cancer just by believing we're healing.

[amyjeans]

Originally Posted by 2Sweeties1Angel

Our bodies can't heal cancer just by believing we're healing.

This makes sense. And I think this because our bodies are amazing, but our brains (collectively-not individually) have created an environment far more complex and devistating to ourselves that sometimes- nature cannot combat. (perhaps it can, but not in the way we would like- kwim?)
Some cancers (from what I understand) are not a natural occurance but an environmentally created illness that may not be curable by nature.
Nature can heal- but can it heal the un-natural?

And, faith alone may not be enough for ANY treatment of illness or injury- but it doesn't hurt either- right?

[jodie84]

I think it's a terrible con, but if people want to spend their money on it then it's none of my business - same as people who believe in astrology or fairies, I might roll my eyes a bit but it's up to them.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by 2Sweeties1Angel

Our bodies can't heal cancer just by believing we're healing.

Yes they can. They don't because we do not believe it is possible.

[Jwebbal]

I get so tired of this, yeah, my mind is keeping my body from healing my diabetes. Uh huh. And I have a bridge to sell you.

My biggest concern about all of this, is the folks who use this stuff and then recommend it to others who are facing serious illness, illness that really does need allopathic medicine. It's one thing to treat a fever from the flu with homeopathic remedies, another to treat something like a child's leukemia, asthma, or something else equally as serious. People die from lack of treatment while using quack cures. If it's someone alone doing this, well, that's their choice, but using it on children and the child dies? I draw the line there.

[Periwinkle]

If only we could all just live forever believing we'll never die. Of anything.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Jwebbal

I get so tired of this, yeah, my mind is keeping my body from healing my diabetes. Uh huh. And I have a bridge to sell you.

My biggest concern about all of this, is the folks who use this stuff and then recommend it to others who are facing serious illness, illness that really does need allopathic medicine. It's one thing to treat a fever from the flu with homeopathic remedies, another to treat something like a child's leukemia, asthma, or something else equally as serious. People die from lack of treatment while using quack cures. If it's someone alone doing this, well, that's their choice, but using it on children and the child dies? I draw the line there.

With respect. This is your reality not mine. I choose not to live in your fear-based world. I have a totally different understanding of what dis-ease is but I respect your right to believe what you believe and for you to take (and give your children) whatever medication you wish. However, well over 100,000 people are killed a year by allopathic doctors and their medicine, including many children. Who's to say, that they wouldn't have lived, if their parents had taken another approach?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by uccomama

With respect. This is your reality not mine. I choose not to live in your fear-based world. I have a totally different understanding of what dis-ease is but I respect your right to believe what you believe and for you to take (and give your children) whatever medication you wish. However, well over 100,000 people are killed a year by allopathic doctors and their medicine, including many children. Who's to say, that they wouldn't have lived, if their parents had taken another approach?

ITA. You don't have to believe it for it to be the truth. I know people who have healed major illnesses with no intervention whatsoever. I have witnessed true healing and know that is what I want for my family.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by Jwebbal

I get so tired of this, yeah, my mind is keeping my body from healing my diabetes. Uh huh. And I have a bridge to sell you.

My biggest concern about all of this, is the folks who use this stuff and then recommend it to others who are facing serious illness, illness that really does need allopathic medicine. It's one thing to treat a fever from the flu with homeopathic remedies, another to treat something like a child's leukemia, asthma, or something else equally as serious. People die from lack of treatment while using quack cures. If it's someone alone doing this, well, that's their choice, but using it on children and the child dies? I draw the line there.

My mother, uncle and grandfather all had leukemia. The ones who went the allopathic route lived 6 months from the day of diagnosis to a little better than a year. My mom treats it homeopathically and nutritionally and has been around for 10 years post diagnosis. Not because she is lucky. They all had the same kind of leukemia. They were all diagnosed within a year or so of each other. My mother's numbers have been fantastic with homeopathy and even better with nutrition. I wish the others had been willing to try.

I have used alternative medicine very successfully with my kids when allopathy had nothing to offer. Not just for minor things either. I walk my path very confidently and my kids are well taken care of.