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[kathirynne]

(I moved this from my other post, so that it would for sure be seen. )

I have a question about food storage. We just moved into a house with a fruit room (cold pantry in the basement). I am thrilled to have room for food storage (after living in university housing, and then a two-bedroom flat), and I know that it's really important that I get serious about food storage. The problem is, I'm a little overwhelmed by the thought of building up a year's supply. Where do I begin? What do I store? (Any and all thought is appreciated!)

TIA

[brightonwoman]

Originally Posted by sebarnes

IMO, 13 months is WAY to early to expect any type of prayer compliance. We just prayed with her their, and when she was about 18 months she occasionally started copying us.

I'm inclined to think the sam ething--that he's too little to understand at all. But DS7 is very concerned that the baby be reverent in the prayer...so I've been thinking about it. I have been trying to help baby start off the prayers right (ie, I fold his arms/hands as we start, but then dont' sweat it what he does from there). I think I'll just stick to that...model it, help him try it, but don't worry too much beyond that.

We are actually still doing that 'use his name a lot' for our 7yo...often in the context of "Please help William to be reverent during prayers..." :rotfl

[Bekka]

Originally Posted by kathirynne

The problem is, I'm a little overwhelmed by the thought of building up a year's supply. Where do I begin? What do I store? (Any and all thought is appreciated!)TIA

They just came out with a new, simplified program. You can look at www.providentliving.org for details, but the basics seem to be, "copy storage," i.e., whatever you eat for 3 months that isn't fresh, work on building up a 3 month storage first before you work toward a year.

For example, when I opened a new bottle of DW detergent, I wrote the date on it, so we could figure out how many weeks it lasted. Then I could figure out how much we need for 3 months (about 4 bottles ). Now I keep 1/2 that as my minimum and I always have 1 or 2 when it's "time to buy" more. Because house cleaning supplies and toilet paper should be part of our 3 months supply as well. It's basically the idea of an overly full pantry.

So, for example, my family would probably use about 39 lbs of wheat if I cook everything over 3 months. If I bake bread and make everything, I use about 3 lbs of wheat in a week (pancakes, muffins, tortillas). (Did this for 2 weeks in Jan--very interesting information for us. I sprouted lentils and tried alfalfa, but my alfalfa seeds are too old and it was slimy and gross. The lentils were great!) If you eat about 3 cans of beans every week, then you can store 13 times 3 cans: 39 cans. You can start out by buying 4 when you usually buy 2 and build it up a little at a time, buy 4 the next week, etc. We got a can sorter for better rotation. Figure out a way to add $10 or $20 each week or month to your grocery list and spend it on food storage.

It gets hard when you need to eat applesauce AGAIN but I got some creative with some freezedried cherries that I had, and we had oranges and apples which last a while in the fridge. I guess we would feel very happy to have SOME instead of NONE.

We have also built raised beds with concrete blocks, south facing, for our garden. We'll be planting in them for the first year this year. Gardening is a large initial outlay, then it gets less expensive. I've bought heirloom seeds so we can save seeds and propagate (more food storage). I'm interested in cold frames and wintering over. There's a kind of green salad option called mache that you can just insulate a bit (where I live) and pick it, even with snow! I've just read this, haven't done it yet. I think we may not need cold frames. You can leave carrots right in the ground and just take them out when you want them all winter. I'm putting in asparagus this year, and that is "planning for the future". I'm interested in bin storage, since we won't be building a root cellar.

Sorry for the novel--I've been very excited about and interested in this stuff. And I HATE canning. I will do it, but I don't have to like it. So alternatives make me happy. (See Laura Ingalls).

[Bekka]

More food storage stuff.

Oh, yes, so anyway, I came up with a week's worth of menues that could be made from storage things that was reasonably healthy, and that's what we're building from. Once we get to 3 months we'll rotate the storage. I do this in fits and starts. We had about 3 months worth of stuff in November.

[mimiharshe]

Hi! I'm so confused? Is this a new LDS thread? What happened to the other one. I'm really, really confused!

I'll just jump in though. We started doing regular FHE with our toddlers, ages 4 and 2 about 6 weeks ago. Wow, it's been amazing. We keep it really simple. We have an opening song (usually I Am A Child of God b/c this is one we all know) and dd (4) "leads", then dh asks someone to give opening prayer. Then dh or I gives a short lesson on something like gratitude, reverence or our testimony about scriptures. Then we share a scripture and then maybe color a picture or play a game. We say a closing prayer, then sometimes make a treat like cookies. Now, dd asks to do a FHE every time we sit at the table or will ask us something like we asked them in a previous FHE. It's so wonderful to see how our example and obedience in doing FHE every Monday night is paying off.

For example, with reverence we all took turns practicing whispering, then we all folded our arms and followed daddy around the house. So simple. Or when we did gratitude we took turns saying something we were grateful for. Their answers are off the wall, but we steer them in the right direction.

The thing I love reading the most is the Ensign.

Being AP and practicing NFL brings me closer to listening to the Spirit. They go hand in hand for me. Being in tune w/ourselves and the Lord is so wonderful and peaceful.

Prayer...we just pray with them and they pick up on it at their own pace. Dd wasn't saying her own prayers (a short simple one that is the same every time!) until maybe 3? Ds was folding his arms with us at 13 months! He is now 2.5 and loves saying prayer. I think it just depends. They definitely learn from our example though!

As far as food storage goes, I really have no clue where to start, but I'll be reading to learn!

[kathirynne]

Originally Posted by Bekka

Oh, yes, so anyway, I came up with a week's worth of menues that could be made from storage things that was reasonably healthy, and that's what we're building from. Once we get to 3 months we'll rotate the storage. I do this in fits and starts. We had about 3 months worth of stuff in November.

Can you post your storage meal menues (or just pm them to me?)

[LemonPie]

Is anyone planning on a garden this year?

Yes, I am. We'll probably put some plants into the ground sometime in May. Our garden last year was our first real attempt at the effort and we did okay. It was a learning experience. One of the things I learned: Do not EVER EVER EVER plant an entire package of pumpkin seeds, let alone two. Just don't do it. They choked just about everything else we had, LOL. And we didn't get a single decent pumpkin for our trouble!

One of the men in our ward is an avid gardner and he's having a workshop next week to start some things like tomatoes, peppers, broccoli from seed. I signed up because I figured I should learn how to do it. . . truth be told I'm so exhausted and queasy at the moment I just want to crawl into bed and sleep until. . . oh, 7 weeks from now.

I have a question about food storage. We just moved into a house with a fruit room (cold pantry in the basement). I am thrilled to have room for food storage (after living in university housing, and then a two-bedroom flat), and I know that it's really important that I get serious about food storage. The problem is, I'm a little overwhelmed by the thought of building up a year's supply. Where do I begin? What do I store? (Any and all thought is appreciated!)

It is overwhelming. The Church's current counsel is to work on a 3-month supply and go from there. For me personally, it helped to pay close attention to what my family ate and start to plan my food storage around that. But I also bought some food storage staples and forced myself to learn to use them. For example, dried milk: I cannot stand to drink the stuff, but I can use it in baking and cooking with good results and that keeps it rotated. I also invested in a wheat grinder and learned how to grind wheat and bake my own bread--a surprisingly easy process that I'd been putting off for years. As I've learned to cook with my food storage, I find we're eating healthier things. Providentliving.org has some good resources. You might also check out this link:

Food Storage on $5 a week

It's a good jumping off point and good for people on a budget. Some of the items may be a little more processed than you'd like (I don't use a ton of Cream of _____ soups for example) but I'm sure you can mix and match and adjust to your needs.

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by NewCrunchyDaddy

"Sahile"? What language is that in? Hindu?

It's a good thing you are so fond of sleeping alone...

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by linguistmama

Where did you buy the book?

: Walmart.

[kathirynne]

Originally Posted by Tiger Lily

...The Church's current counsel is to work on a 3-month supply and go from there. For me personally, it helped to pay close attention to what my family ate and start to plan my food storage around that. But I also bought some food storage staples and forced myself to learn to use them. For example, dried milk: I cannot stand to drink the stuff, but I can use it in baking and cooking with good results and that keeps it rotated. I also invested in a wheat grinder and learned how to grind wheat and bake my own bread--a surprisingly easy process that I'd been putting off for years. As I've learned to cook with my food storage, I find we're eating healthier things....

So, since we're vegan, I can do 3 month's worth of aseptic packaged soy milk and tofu, instead of dry milk and tuna fish? That type of thing?

I've also been thinking about holiday meals. That time of the year is typically the tightest, money-wise. I've planned out my holiday menues, and I'm adding a couple of "holiday foods" to the shopping list every week. I store the holiday food in appropriately decorated popcorn tins (you know, the ones that have pumpkins on them at Halloween, et cetera) so that they are out of the rotation for normal meals. Then I only have to buy the perishable ingrediants when it's time to make the holiday meal. Is that silly?

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by seren

Good luck Alisa.

I wish I had paid more attention to Madalyn's teeth before I did. Maybe then she wouldn't have had to have six root canals before her second birthday. I feel so guilty over that and I really don't know what I'm going to do about this baby and nursing at night as long as I did Mady. It's quite frustrating.

Can you elaborate - do you think nursing long term is what caused the dental problems?

Originally Posted by lacysmommy

We're planting a garden this year. I'm planning on tomatoes, beans and peas, squash, carrots, and radishes, at least. I'll probably end up planting more than that. Maybe some peppers and tomitillos. I'm thinking of broccoli and cauliflower as well. Maybe lettuice and spinach. I love fresh veggies from the garden!

I grew broccoli in a small plot in our old apartment - it is 1000% more tasty when you grow it yourself! I was so amazed at the noticeable difference!

Originally Posted by kathirynne

(I moved this from my other post, so that it would for sure be seen. )

I have a question about food storage. We just moved into a house with a fruit room (cold pantry in the basement). I am thrilled to have room for food storage (after living in university housing, and then a two-bedroom flat), and I know that it's really important that I get serious about food storage. The problem is, I'm a little overwhelmed by the thought of building up a year's supply. Where do I begin? What do I store? (Any and all thought is appreciated!)

TIA

Brightonwoman and I actually started a blog for food storage and emergency preparation. It never took off but if you ladies are interested we can revive it:

http://ldsprovidentliving.blogspot.com/

Originally Posted by mimiharshe

Hi! I'm so confused? Is this a new LDS thread? What happened to the other one. I'm really, really confused!

!

The old February thread was removed for UA violations. It is against the user agreement to name other members of MDC and talk badly about them.

When it was shut down, two threads were started. One is a continuation of the old one, and all kinds of questions and comments are welcome there. This one was started to fill a different need - this one is positive support only.

We do not want criticisms of church programs, doctrine, or apostles/prophets. Local leaders are fine because I know sometimes nursery leaders etc can be frustrating and we'll want to be able to talk about that here... However, we still want to keep those kinds of comments respectful, and we want a safe place online where we can come and uplift each other without having to defend church doctrine. We want to keep the negativity to a minimum so we can always feel uplifted and spiritually fed when we come here.

The very first post in this thread explains more. I think both threads serve useful purposes, just different purposes. Some people have expressed annoyance and having to follow two threads but I don't think it is different from subscribing to mulitple threads on MDC in general. I'm following several threads in the vaccine forums, for example.

Originally Posted by Tiger Lily

Yes, I am. We'll probably put some plants into the ground sometime in May. Our garden last year was our first real attempt at the effort and we did okay. It was a learning experience. One of the things I learned: Do not EVER EVER EVER plant an entire package of pumpkin seeds, let alone two. Just don't do it. They choked just about everything else we had, LOL. And we didn't get a single decent pumpkin for our trouble!

.

I'm anxious to get good at starting seeds because we are asked to store seeds as part of our 1 year supply. I'm better at growing transplants but you can't store transplants!!

[kathirynne]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

...Brightonwoman and I actually started a blog for food storage and emergency preparation. It never took off but if you ladies are interested we can revive it:

http://ldsprovidentliving.blogspot.com/

Yes, please!!!

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by kathirynne

Yes, please!!!

Email Jenni (brightonwoman) if you want to be contributors. Otherwise, I'll be updating it on Sundays as a nice Sabbath activity so you can check in then!

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

He wrote Charly.

Ah, that explains it. I'm not much into "Mormon Culture."

Originally Posted by alisaterry

It's a good thing you are so fond of sleeping alone...

Yah, but you aren't.

Originally Posted by kathirynne

Yes, please!!!

That's so funny. Alisa says that all the time.

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by NewCrunchyDaddy

Yah, but you aren't.
.

The baby left a present for you in her diaper....

[NewCrunchyDaddy]

The really sad thing is that we're sitting less than a foot from each other on the same couch.

[Bekka]

Originally Posted by kathirynne

Can you post your storage meal menues (or just pm them to me?)

So I would love to post them so they could be helpful to other people too. I couldn't find them, so I just made up a new week's worth of "storage" menues. It took me about 1 hour. Do you want me to post them here or on the blog? I didn't sign up; I could ask Alisa to sign me up, although I've never done a blog before.

I also have a list of 3 months' supply of household items. Does not include diapers.

Or we could start a thread in the Home Management forum.

[kathirynne]

I think you could just post it here. (And maybe Home Management, for people who don't have access to Spirituality yet.)

[linguistmama]

Originally Posted by Bekka

So I would love to post them so they could be helpful to other people too. I couldn't find them, so I just made up a new week's worth of "storage" menues. It took me about 1 hour. Do you want me to post them here or on the blog? I didn't sign up; I could ask Alisa to sign me up, although I've never done a blog before.

I also have a list of 3 months' supply of household items. Does not include diapers.

Or we could start a thread in the Home Management forum.

If you post to the home management forum can you post the link here please? We need to start doing this. It especially appeals to me right now since I'm due in March or April and I'm stocking up on lots of food and household items for that. Hopefully I can either keep it up after the baby is born or get back on the wagon after the adjustment period.

[seren]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

Can you elaborate - do you think nursing long term is what caused the dental problems?

Yes, I honestly do. I came home and did my research after the first dentist appointment. While in the office there was another nursing mother in there. Her daughter was about 2 months younger than Madalyn. Mady was I think 19 or 20 months. I saw this mother as we were leaving and we compared notes. Her dd had 6 of the same cavities as Mady. The top four, top two molars, and Madalyn's bottom two molars had just started. Those ones ended up just being filled, the top six had root canals. We went to several dentists because the stupid first one said she was too little for pain meds and wanted to do the root canals a few at a time just holding (meaning tying her to the papoose board) her down. I flat out refused. Of the 3 dentist we saw, my dentist I talked to, and the dental hygenist at church we got different opinions. Some said breastmilk absolutely do not cause cavities. Some said it does if they have it at night after a year. Mady used me as a pacifier a lot at night, she would just slowly suck for a long time. I did my research. LLL and, I think, Kellymom say that breastmilk doesn't cause cavities. Some other sites say it does. Regardless the simple fact is that breastmilk does contain bacteria, even though it's a good bacteria. I think it has the same potential to cause baby bottle rot as having a bottle in bed does. Mady's teeth are consistent with baby bottle rot pattern. Dh and I talked about it a lot, we even prayed about it and we both really feel this is why Mady had such problems. Yes, a lot were genetic, if dh's family didn't have such bad teeth it probably wouldn't have gotten to the root canal stage so quickly, but I do think the nursing is the biggest factor. I know what some say about even babies after a year need to nurse at night and that's why I'm so conflicted. No one else knows how terrible it was with Madalyn's teeth. We could see the pulp inside her teeth. She was in so much pain she was taking lortab for the pain and STILL screaming at night because it hurt so bad. When I quit night nursing (cold turkey several months before her oral surgery) her teeth quit progressing as fast as they had been.