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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Okay, so I keep coming back to the kefir threads, but I get a bit overwhelmed trying to figure it all out. The timing thing seems a bit daunting and I'm worried that the responsibility of keeping it "alive" will just bee too stressful . So, for those of you cultivate this goodness, how much time and energy does it actually take?
post #2 of 20
Gotta watch this tread, I'm new to this all also.

And what about the Kefir you see in the store. Is that the same thing?
post #3 of 20
i am pretty new to kefir. the first time i tried it, the grains werent very vibrant and/or they died in transit, so i eventually gave up. i have also used the direct-set packets from yogourmet. my understanding is both those and storebought are not the same- they are just a few isolated cultures and dont yield a superior probiotic.

i recently got grains from ebay (brinick12). it's easy! it is obvious that these are 'working' and last time's failure wasnt just me giving up. every day, i strain them and add them to a clean jar and pour more raw milk over them from the fridge! that easy. the strained kefir gets consumed pretty quickly around here- my 16mos son loves it best, and i am pregnant ans really crave it. the older kids will drink it in smoothies. dh has tried it and liked it but there is hardly enough right now- right now the grains support 3 cups of milk each day. when they increase we will have more.

we also bought a kombucha scoby and it is almost ready! when i smell the liquid through the cloth top, it is intoxicating. i can't wait to start drinking it.
post #4 of 20
Totally easy! You put the grains in a jar of fresh milk and forget about them for 24-48 hours, then come back and drink the finished product. No effort at all
post #5 of 20
I have kefir grains in my fridge. I tried to make Kefir once, and thought I botched it because it came out looking like liquid yogurt. Not what I was expecting.
Anyway, I always hear about straining the grain, and I just don't understand what that means! What grains? I couldn't see any...what do you mean?

I'm really going to need to do more research.
Oh, and how do you drink it? I have a hard time wrapping my mind around drinking it, as I'm not big on unflavoured yogurt taste. Do you add anything to make it sweeter? If so, what?
post #6 of 20
I'm new to making kefir, too, so there are a lot more kefir-savvy mamas out there, but I'll let you know what I've been doing.

Milk kefir is really, really, really, really easy. I'm not so sure about water kefir . . .

Anyway, for milk kefir, so far I have been using the freeze-dried cultures at the local store. Basically, pick any kind of milk you like (I've been using non-homogenized fat-free, non-homog whole, and non-homog whole mixed with cream). Bring that milk to room temperature; either by heating and cooling (which will give you a thicker kefir) or by sitting out for a few hours. Mix that milk with the cultures (or grains if you got 'em) and then keep on the kitchen counter for 12 to 24 hours (I think that grains may take longer than cultures). After a day, I just put this in the 'fridge and that's that!

I'm going to try using some grains eventually, and I think that there's a little bit more involved, but, like I said, it's basically a no-brainer to use the cultures.
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by neverdoingitagain View Post
I have kefir grains in my fridge. I tried to make Kefir once, and thought I botched it because it came out looking like liquid yogurt. Not what I was expecting.
Anyway, I always hear about straining the grain, and I just don't understand what that means! What grains? I couldn't see any...what do you mean?

I'm really going to need to do more research.
Oh, and how do you drink it? I have a hard time wrapping my mind around drinking it, as I'm not big on unflavoured yogurt taste. Do you add anything to make it sweeter? If so, what?
Kefir is liquid yogurt. Sometimes people refer to it as "drinking yogurt" for that reason.

Ignore the thing about "straining the grains." Healthy grains will float to the top, where you can scoop them out with a spoon.

Did you make your kefir by putting a live grain into your jar of milk? It would look like a gelatinous blob. Whereas, if you started with a powdered culture then there will be no grains.

We take a pint of kefir and blend it up with a banana or frozen blueberries. We add some stevia if it isn't sweet enough. Tastes great!!
post #8 of 20
Here are some kefir instructions I wrote, based on what I've learned on Dom's site and other places. Truly, making kefir from a live grain is not involved at all. You just drop your lump of grain into a mason jar, screw the lid on, and forget about it for 24-48 hours. Then scoop the floating grain out with a spoon and put it in a new jar of milk. That's it! But here are the extended instructions if anyone wants them. FWIW, I have mailed grains and instructions to dozens of people and none of them had any difficulty making kefir with them



You will need:

1 quart-sized mason jar with lid (a mayonnaise jar works great)
Milk of any kind (cow/goat/sheep, raw or pasteurized)



Fill the glass jar 2/3 full of milk and drop in your kefir grain(s). It's fine to use cold milk straight out of the fridge. Screw the lid on tightly and set on your kitchen counter for 24 hours. When you come back the following day, the milk should have solidified into the consistency of yogurt. (If this hasn’t happened yet, let sit for another day.) Use a spoon to scoop out the kefir grain if it’s floating on top. (If it sinks, you may need to pour your kefir through a colander to retrieve the grain.) Put the grain in a fresh jar of milk and repeat process. Kefir may be consumed right away or stored in the refrigerator in a glass or plastic container. Kefir will stay fresh in the fridge for many months. (Note: Once you stir up the kefir, it will be a more liquid consistency than yogurt.)

In warm weather, kefir may culture quickly. You’ll notice that the milk has separated into curds and whey. This is normal. If you want to, you can shake the jar to mix the whey and solids before consuming.

Cultured milk products such as kefir are on the acidic end of the pH spectrum. When kefir comes into prolonged contact with metal, it tends to corrode the metal and take on a metallic flavor. So if you use a metal lid on your mason jar, just be careful that the kefir doesn’t touch the lid.

Ripened kefir (as per Dom’s site http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html ). After the kefir has been culturing for 24 hours, you may wish to remove the grains (place them in fresh milk) and put the lid back on the jar of kefir. Allow to stand another 24 hours at room temperature. (The active enzymes in the kefir will protect it from going bad.) This ripening period burns off most of the lactose, thus rendering the kefir more suitable for people with difficulties digesting lactose. It also greatly increases the folic acid content (great for pregnant moms!) and gives the kefir a more sour flavor. If you let your kefir ripen for a few days, you may notice a fuzzy white layer on its surface. This is known as the "flowers of kefir" (according to Dom) and is simply evidence of natural yeast. Stir it in before consuming.

Taking a break from kefir: If you are going on vacation or just want to take a break from making kefir every day, grains can be stored in your refrigerator. Simply put them in a jar of fresh milk and cover tightly, then put in the fridge. The grains will go partially dormant and slowly convert the milk into kefir. In a quart-size mason jar, it will take 2-3 days for the milk to become kefir. So if you’re going away for an extended period, put the grains in a larger container of milk.

Grain growth: As your grains grow, you’ll need to separate them into smaller pieces (otherwise the grain will be too big for the quart jar of milk, and production will slow down.) To separate grains, simply pull them apart of cut with a clean knife.

Extra grains: After separating your grains, you’ll have some extras. You may wish to give these away to friends. They can also be dropped in the blender with your kefir to create a smoothie (the grains are packed with probiotics and good for you to eat.) Or you can dehydrate some of them as backups in case anything goes wrong with your active grains. To do this, simply rinse the grains in cool water (hot water will kill them!) and lay on a clean cloth with another clean cloth covering them. Leave for a few days and they’ll dry out naturally. Or put in a food dehydrator at very low temp (no warmer than 95*F). When you want to reactivate them, simply put the dry grains in a small amount of fresh milk. The first few batches will not have the full balance of kefir yeasts and bacteria because the grain has been dormant. Simply toss these out and put the grains in fresh milk again. After a few days, you’ll notice the kefir tastes and smells normal.

Health benefits: Kefir is excellent for repopulating a healthy digestive tract after a course of antibiotics. It also helps correct candida overgrowth and generally strengthens your immune system. More information is available at http://www.mercola.com/forms/kefir.htm and http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefir-faq.html
post #9 of 20
Yeah it was a culture Ok, I get it now. I did the heating/cooling thing last time. I think I may try the leave out until room temp. thing this time.
I used pasteurized homogenized milk last time. Is it possible to use, say 1%? And should I be using raw milk (of course, I should, but can I get away with pasteurized?)
post #10 of 20
Taedareth!
Thank for all the info!
post #11 of 20
Thanks, mama! Wow I feel so appreciated

I'll let Boadhagh answer your questions about the powdered culture because I have no experience with that.
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks all (especially Taedareth--you ROCK!), you have convinced me that even I can manage this! Now I'm off to find a source for kefir grains...
post #13 of 20
If you want pictures and stuff, I have a post on my blog about milk kefir - helps identify when it's "done".
post #14 of 20
ok i think i need some actual keffir grains, i bought what i thought would be grains at the local co-op but its just a yellowish powder, I guess a culture. is there something not as good with this stuff?
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by arismama! View Post
ok i think i need some actual keffir grains, i bought what i thought would be grains at the local co-op but its just a yellowish powder, I guess a culture. is there something not as good with this stuff?
Dom's kefir site says the powdered cultures have fewer types of probiotics and smaller quantities of them. Plus you have to keep buying the powder, whereas grains are self-propagating.
post #16 of 20
So I have another question to add. I killed my milk kefir grains and thought I'd go to the store and get kefir starter not realizing it wasn't the grains. I made some but i'm not sure i let the milk cool enough before i put it in. it was still pretty warm. will it still work? I left it on the counter for 24 hours and it was like one gelatinous structure. Like one mass. Not nearly as thin as my kefir with grains was. so is this ok?
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
I've made Kefir with the powdered Kefir before, and it was always much thicker than what everyone seems to be describing with their kefir grains. It "thins out" once you stir it.
post #18 of 20
mine has now been culturing for 36 hours, some of the time in the oven (gas oven stays at about 85 degrees when off). it just looks weird, like cotaage cheese, lots of whey, not at all like the keffir i have bought at the store. help! is this ok?
post #19 of 20
i dont think you are supposed to keep it that warm. maybe it is culturing and separating too fast? i add cold milk from the fridge and keep it on the counter for only 24 hours. i use grains, not powder.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by arismama! View Post
mine has now been culturing for 36 hours, some of the time in the oven (gas oven stays at about 85 degrees when off). it just looks weird, like cotaage cheese, lots of whey, not at all like the keffir i have bought at the store. help! is this ok?
Yep, as Tabitha said, your kefir is over-culturing (is that a word?) Anyway, it's still perfectly fine to eat, you just might want to shake the curds and whey together first. You might try letting it sit out at more of a room temperature (around 70*) and only for 24 hours. See how that works for you.
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