Mothering › Forums › Natural Family Living › Books, Music and Other Media › Naomi Wolf is a bourgeois, egomaniacal witch who gives feminism a bad name
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Naomi Wolf is a bourgeois, egomaniacal witch who gives feminism a bad name  

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Anyone read Misconceptions: Truth, Lies, and the Unexpected on the Journey to Motherhood? I totally see the need for this kind of book and she seems to be making some really good points (I'm not done with it yet), but for some reason her perspective is really annoying the hell out of me. She keeps talking about how intellectuals don't appreciate mothers or mothering, but at the same time she was one of those very people at one time (and still seems to be showing attributes of it).

I consider myself to be a very strong feminist, perhaps even radical. I am a tough talker who doesn't put up with much, so in some ways I sound quite a bit like Ms. Wolf myself, at least in that regard. However, I am beginning to think that though as women we can do anything we want, it is unreasonable and quite selfish to expect to do it all. This may be totally new for me, and may sound a bit like some talking head from the Right, but I'm finding myself more and more with the feeling that you can choose to be a fast-talking career gal on the up and up OR a mother, or perhaps both consecutively, but NOT at the same time. I am beginning to think that if you have children, one parent should stay at home. Not just that everyone should have that option, but that one person absolutely must stay home with the children until they are of an age to be sent to school or what have you. I want to be able to respect that different familys' needs are different, but I'm really finding myself believing wholeheartedly, nay, knowing that staying home is best for the children. But all that's politics, and has little to do with the book and more to do with my general disdain for Ms. Wolf.

The thing that bugs me about this book is that even as she's outlining societal problems regarding respect for motherhood, she's talking about the loss of her identity and the transformation into one of "those women". Maybe it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, or maybe she's just be honest about the feelings she was having, but it bugs me to hear myself referred to as "one of those women" with such venom. And what she doesn't address is that this is the problem with the feminist movement, or at least the part of the feminist movement that she is so intimately connected with and that she holds in such high regard - this exclusion of so many women and the striving not for womanhood or a better definition of femaleness, but of for acceptance into a male world. Why would any woman want to be male? And why on earth should we call that feminism? We need to not embrace the male world, but create a new world entirely where feminity and all those things essentially female are celebrated and made room for. I think it's a far better goal for the "women's movement". And I'm not saying that this sort of thing isn't reached for, it is, but my problem lies in that here is this woman at the forefront of the movement, or at least very much in the public eye, who is not taking into consideration womanhood, to the exclusion of millions of women. And she's addressing preconceptions she held in her pre-motherhood days, and talking about the societal problems surrounding it, but not taking a fundamental look at the very institution she hails from. It's screwy.

She does make some really good points about childbirth in America, but none that haven't been made before, better. I do like that she takes frequent blows at What to Expect When You're Expecting as well. But all of this addressing of what should be a public concern is from this totally privileged standpoint that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. She does make some moves to acknowledge her own privilege, but it's really minimal.

One part that really bugged me is when she complains about there being no role models for her transition into motherhood. All the mothers she can think of that are aside from their motherhood the kind of women she regularly is attracted to, "the wild ones, the chaotic spirits" are all terrible mothers. I have oft considered myself to be a bit of a wild, chaotic spirit, and before motherhood feared for my children-to-be because of this. But once becoming a mother, I realized that that part of my life now has to be reigned in in order to become a great mother. I must refocus that energy, which I am doing and don't feel particularly mournful about. I mean, I get the whole loss of identity thing, I do, but this woman is just screaming so loudly about it with a complete lack of compassion for other types of women, or rather, "those" type of women. She keeps talking about how pathetic she feels in her new role, even as she is desperately in love with her child. I know there is not adequate support for women out there. I know that there are not sufficient choices or means to get to those choices. But the whole book, while valid, is at the same time really condescending. When she talks about working for a few hours and then loosing track of time and "missing a feeding" (which sounded it's own alarm bells in my feed-on-demand mind), I wanted to spit. She says that she's so guilty about her baby's hunger, but then also angry that she had to interrupt her writing. And that it wasn't just this one particular interruption, but that interruption was now her life. She says she could not win because she quit working at the most important moment for her work, but as a mother had "already stayed too long at the fair." We all know by now (I would hope) that the whole idea of "having it all" is a myth. You cannot have it all and retain your sanity. You cannot be a go-getting [insert career] and still be a great mother, unless you have some unique situation where work and childcare collude beautifully (which I understand does at times happen). But my new question is, why would you want to? Can't we, as feminists acknowledge finally that there are biological urges operating here that we must answer to? That there are indeed fundamental, yet incredibly valuable differences between the sexes? Can we not celebrate our evolutionary design to be mothers? Can't we embrace that and say that that is valuable, to the point where we can recognize the beauty of the powerful, sexual-mother goddess that is inherent in nature? We need goddesses in our culture. We need women who are neither the virgin or the whore, but both motherly and sexual. I hate to say that women belong in the home, because that's not what I think, per se. But I think that we have to choose our paths responsibly when they affect others.

Maybe she's just irritating me because I can't relate to her perspective, or I find it to be exceedingly selfish given her status. I just don't see how she can spend so much time complaining while at the same time wanting to be a part of her father's world so whole-heartedly - that former man's club of careers and money and intellectualism. It makes perfect sense to not be able to reconcile the two worlds. But again, why on earth would anyone want to? I'd give it up in a hearbeat to be a mother. And maybe I'd look back longlingly, just as she is doing, but I wouldn't try to claim that I could do both or that they two worlds belong anywhere near each other. Maybe having a brain in each world is what makes her sound so crazy to me.

I'm so sorry that I sound a bit over the edge myself. I know that I've probably gone a bit overboard and maybe overstated how I really feel. If someone wants to play Devil's advocate, please go right ahead and it will help me to better articulate what I feel. If you'd like to join me in bashing her however, please feel absolutely free to do that as well.
post #2 of 13
sorry, having to remove all posts with personal info due to an online stalker.
post #3 of 13
hey. i have not read the book (have avoided it since something coming across in her tv appearances also rubbed me the wrong way..), but i wanted to say that i really enjoyed reading your post and i feel very similarily
post #4 of 13
I picked it up once then put it back down pretty quickly.
That's interesting, about how she rails against society's portrayal about motherhood and what it means to be Woman yet immerses her thoughts and actions in that world that she rails against. I would assume that this is just the first step in her growth process, as a spiritual journey. First comes anger and the questions and not quite knowing where you stand. But the more she immerses herself in her new role as a mother and learns how to live in the moment, the more, I believe, she will release some of that anger and negativity and fully embrace who she wants to become.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Okay, I read some more and it gets better, and worse. She does take a closer look at feminism, though not quite to the extent I would like. She also starts feeling more guilty about her privilege after she hires a nanny, which I also feel better about, except that she did hire a nanny, so it's not like she feels all that guilty about it. :

BUT THEN - she calls La Leche League the "Lactation Fascists" and the "Milk Missionaries". I was unable to nurse because of my son's cleft, but pumped for a year, so even initially reading descriptions of nursing nearly made me cry because I missed out on that experience and am still mourning that fact, but then to turn the page and for her to claim that some of us are just crazed zealots about this stuff made me scream (literally, at my husband). She said that they see nursing as a "moral imperative". :Puke
post #6 of 13
Don't be shy with your opinions, annakiss. Just let it all out!

I haven't read this book. I read "Promiscuities" a few years ago. It had a really good premise: girls are fed mixed messages about sex. They're whores if they have sex, prudes if they don't. Just that by itself rang true with me. But by the end of it I was kinda disgusted with her, because she relates her personal teenage experiences as the norm for all girls in the US. She grew up in the 70's during the sexual revolution. In Haight-Ashbury. Her parents were very liberal, sexual experimentors who eventually divorced. She rightfully accuses her parents generation of screwing up a whole new generation for marriage. But not everybody behaved that way, probably not even most people did.

She made some good points, but the book should have been marketed as a biography perhaps. Then I could have taken her rantings with a grain of salt.

Sounds very similar to this latest book.

Eta, my point about describing her childhood: I also grew up in the 70's in Northern California, to liberal parents. But Haight-Ashbury is an insular, entirely unique place. And my parents are still married and celebrated their 53ed wedding anniversary last week.
post #7 of 13
I grew up in the 70's too but my parents were political liberals, but sexually very uptight and conservative and married for decades. (Not that monogamy is uptight...they were uptight IN ADDITION to that. )

Other discussions of Misconceptions:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...ceptions+Naomi

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...ceptions+Naomi
post #8 of 13
I didn't read it but I saw her on Oprah & got the general idea. She did seem really spoiled and whiny...one of those women who is so out of touch with her femininity that she can'r really enjoy motherhood. She said she thinks motherhood *sucks* 80% of the time. How sad.

I agree that we need a *new* femininism. One that doesn't expect women to act like men and that respects ALL choices...even when it means choosing to be an old fashioned SAHM. I think motherhood is so wonderful and spiritual and its a shame that so many modern women feel so negatively about it.
post #9 of 13
This is minor and perhaps some would say nit-picky, but in your subject header you call her a witch as if it's a bad thing? Feminist witches exist, and witch is not a synonym for bitch.

Thanks in advance!
post #10 of 13
Quote:
I grew up in the 70's too but my parents were political liberals, but sexually very uptight and conservative and married for decades. (Not that monogamy is uptight...they were uptight IN ADDITION to that. )
post #11 of 13
Hmm...I got this book at Half Price Books a few months ago, now I know why it was there. :

I'll get around to reading it sometime, but now I know not to think too much of it.
post #12 of 13
Oh boy did that book make me wanna smack her.

I have NO sympathy for women of that much privilege who marry assholes and then whine about it. I'm sorry, if you can't figure that shit out BEFORE you breed with the guy, I don't know what to tell you.

I have no sympathy for people of that much privilege who whine in general.. "ooooh, there's nowhere to change a diaper in this baaaathroom..." FUCKING COMPLAIN ABOUT IT TO SOMEONE WHO CAN DO SOME GOOD, NAOMI. She bitches and moans about the lack of services for middle-class mothers in the DC area - who the hell is better placed to get some of those services than her and her friends? Oh, but forming neighborhood associations to get themselves some better benches - I guess that's just not high-powered enough.

Please excuse my rant.
post #13 of 13
KATIE'S BOOK REVIEW
While I do agree that she is a whiner, and is totally classist, the book is not without social merit.
Wolf's writing is a dribble of personal and biased reporting, laced with melancholy buyer's remorse about motherhood. This is my biggest problem with the book. She goes about proving her important points of the book in a vain and narcissistic way. She gripes endlessly about all of the challenges facing (wealthy, privileged, white) mothers, but fails to provide any sort of up-side to motherhood. I also felt that it covered almost nothing that has not been covered already by better writers who are more socially in-tune.
Having said that, I do feel the book has some social value. After all, she did help to give exposure to such issues as unnecessary c-secs, and other dangerous medical interventions being performed at astonishing rates. With how little attention is given to the particular issue of Cesareans in the media, I would consider any book that calls attention to the problem beneficial.
Having been thru a very similar birth experience to hers, I found that story's chapter to be personally validating and important. If you have never been thru an unnecessary c-sec, it's difficult to understand how incredibly deflating/heartbreaking/stressful it can be. Very little has been written about the feelings of victimhood and inadequacy one feels after that.
I also have given this book as a present - to friends of mine expecting their first child. Before you say : WHY?!?!?, let me tell you: I believe this to be the most "medically muckraking" book that they would actually read, IYKWIM.
ALSO - I found her other two books, The Beauty Myth and Promiscuities to be very good, and worthy of a read.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Books, Music and Other Media
This thread is locked  
Mothering › Forums › Natural Family Living › Books, Music and Other Media › Naomi Wolf is a bourgeois, egomaniacal witch who gives feminism a bad name