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post #1 of 7
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Hi everyone-
I'm hoping some of you Montessori experienced parents or teachers can give me some advice-- please forgive me if this is a bit long. I'm hoping that DS1 will be starting at an M school this fall but we are in the touring schools/ interviewing process right now. A little background on us: DS turns 3 this week, and attends a play-based cooperative nursery school two mornings a week right now (mainly b/c we can't afford M until the fall, though I'd love for him to be in a toddler program right now if it were possible). I've made attempts to set up our home to be Montessori-friendly (though we live in a very small apartment and I haven't been able to do everything I wanted to do) and DS likes to do some things independently, but he is very uninterested in self-care. He does not want to pick out his own clothes, often flat out refuses to attempt to dress himself (which he is capable of), and, the biggest problem, he wants to remain in diapers. The M schools we are looking at for the fall all require the children to be potty trained. DS has been potty trained for pooping for over a year, but he cannot keep underwear dry. I haven't figured out if it's a problem with motivation or a physical development issue but I'm beginning to suspect it's a physical issue since he will pee on himself and our house when he is naked and seems surprised and unable to stop himself, and also is perfectly happy sitting in soaking wet underwear and pants. When I talk to him about it, he just says that he wants to pee in his diapers and does not want to wear underwear. I am hoping that he just needs more time and that by the fall he will be potty trained, but, obviously I can't guarantee this for the schools we are applying to, and I'm sure this will be an issue in our interviews/evaluation.

My questions are: How do M schools respond to an applicant to the children's house who is not yet potty trained? And, do you have any advice on how to encourage him in self-care, or will this develop in time? How can I help him to become more Montessori-ready? I think many aspects of Montessori will be wonderful for him, which is a large part of why we want him to attend an M school. He's a very introspective kid, very focused on individual tasks, quick to learn, and, lately, always singing to himself or lying around thinking. I think part of the problem is that his mental/emotional forces are applied toward other tasks and not on his physical self right now, if that makes any sense. I think being at a school with high expectations of independence will help him a great deal (his current nursery school does NOT help with this), but how do I help make sure he gets IN to the M school in the first place??

Thanks for any and all help!!
post #2 of 7
I think all schools state that every child must be potty trained to start. My dd is 4.5 so she is potty trained any everything BUT she won't wipe her butt by herself yet. So we're working on that one. She is starting in the fall so I'm confidant that she will be by then but man, it amazes me that kids as young as 3 are doing that by themselves.
post #3 of 7
School starts in September, that's 6 months away. You still have a lot of time, so don't panic now. No school has pressured us about our son being potty trained *right now*, they have only said that they require kids to be potty trained by the start of school.

I'm confident that 6 months will be enough time for my son to get more practice with potty learning, so relax....

I would not worry about it until May or June, and then step up your toilet learning routine if need be at that time... do more potty books, etc. etc. etc. Anyway, that's what I plan to do.

ETA: Alek was just accepted into M school and toilet use was a non-issue.
post #4 of 7
My DD is 3 years 3 months and we started the potty learning process around 2 years 6 months, but she wasn't quite ready at that point. Around 2 years 9 months she was totally 100% fully using the potty on her own with no accidents. So, something major clicked with her in 3 months time. We just talked about it every day and in fact I told her that she wouldn't be able to go to school with her friends unless she started using the potty. Nothing worked - stickers, stamps, toys, candy - until I talked to her about school. For some reason, that was her motivator.

As far as getting them used to the Montessori way, what I did with my DD was introduce her to the work rug concept, the work/job concept, and we did a lot of practical life type of stuff during the day (she loved pouring jobs and anything with water). I also tell them that they can play with a toy for as long as they want, but before they pick another one they must return the other to their shelf. We have lots of puzzles and do a lot of arts and crafts. I also picked up a couple of Mont books with jobs that you can do at home. One of my favorite books is an older book called Work Jobs by Mary Baratta-Lorton (you can buy it on Amazon). I love the homemade jobs that she demonstrates in the book. I have heard a lot of people say that if you are putting your child into Mont school to not go out and buy a lot of the same materials. I want a pink tower so badly, but I don't want it to lose it's appeal in the classroom.
post #5 of 7
My "quick reply" advice is to pick one time when he is successful with using the toilet to pee, and keep that as part of his daily routine. Get rid of the diapers. Don't make a big deal about it, just say now that you're old enough to use the toilet, that's what we'll do. One reason Montessori traines children so early is because by the age of 3, children are very sensitive to routine. The routine of peeing in a diaper is hard to reverse at this point. In the toddler class, the Guide takes notes of elimination occurrences and offers the toilet at that time each day. Give it time and don't put any pressure on him, that will only back fire. Once he is successfully peeing in the toilet before bed, or in the morning (whenever it seems he will do it) start to focus on another time of the day. Take it one step at a time.
we've had children come in who were obviously still mastering this skill. But most children have a few accidents during transitions anyway. Once, in about 10 years, I had to recommend a child return to his former in home day care because he had no toileting skills at all, sadly in response to his mother's illness I think, but it was a more positive experience for him to be there as we are not equiped to spend so much time with toileting.
post #6 of 7
My kids have been in montessori for 6 years and STILL don't pick out their clothes or pick up their toys!

The classroom environment is different. as we all know, our children behave VERY differently for us than they do for others! An when your child enters the classroom and sees his classmates taking care of business, he will be empowered to do the same.

Now this next bit is probably not the best advice, but this is how i see it...

we chose montessori because it was SO different from our household. we are creative, fantasy play-based,wild and disorganized type of family. when i saw the calm, orderly and quiet concentration of the students in the montessori classroom i knew it was what my kids needed. As I see it Montessori has rounded out my children and provided for them a learning environment they DO NOT get at home! While Im not suggesting that you abandon all efforts, I would say that my children have been EXTREMELY successful at three different montessori schools...even with my lack of preparation for them!

also, for our "children's house" experience, the official policy was completely toliet trained, but unofficially the teachers were very supportive during the transition period...there were lots of ids who werent "solid" in their toliet training. but the child was expected to change their own clothing in the event of an accident.
post #7 of 7
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Thanks, everyone! I went ahead and started DS on wearing underwear instead of pullups. He was reluctant but I talked to him about it quite a bit and he seems to be on board, though is still being stubborn about using the potty. But he's had 2 days out of the past 4 completely dry, so I think we're on the right track.

It's good to know that the self-care aspects will be improving over time and with the influence of the school environment, and also that kids have occasional accidents and that that's ok. One of the schools we're looking at require the kids to be potty trained fully before we can even be put on the wait list for next year (they do a child evaluation before we register) so I'm still hoping that this process will be completed soon!

Thanks again!
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