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post #21 of 37
2/27/08 at 6:52pm
Wow, what an awful situation! I agree with pretty much everyone else - try everything possible to avoid this doctor and hospital BUT, just in case something happens and you end up there....

pampered mom offers some great links - print out the information, write up a formal letter addressed to the risk manager of the hospital, and cc it to that doctor and all the possible doctors in the practice that could care for you, and consider ccing it to Joint Commission - say you feel you have received a threat that if you don't agree to a c-section you will be reported to CPS and the hospital will get a court order, and you've done the research (included with letter) that you do not feel a repeat c-section is as safe as a VBAC, you plan to VBAC, and you want to make sure that the hospital has your file documented IN ADVANCE that you are refusing a c-section. List and highlight your rights (ICAN is a great resource).

His threat to take legal action against you if you don't succumb to his wishes really is a threat of assault, and ACOG's own policy is against it. Print out all the research to include with your letter.

Honestly all the bullying of women will not stop until women repeatedly stand up, file complaints with Joint Commission, with the hospital risk manager, with the medical licensing board, and demand their right to bodily autonomy.

Here are some additional links with information that you need to send to that doctor.
http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/cont...tract/108/1/21
http://vbacfacts.com/vbac/#FFR


since he is still likely to be hostile of course, you should avoid him if at all possible.

Good luck.
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post #22 of 37
2/27/08 at 7:14pm
Dump the stupid, CPS-happy doc! A day, a week, whatever, before you are due - bring the kids and camp out with mine - I live 3 minutes from Dr. T's hospital! Seriously. It's a small, (and very messy house and everyone will have to double/triple/quadruple up, but it's better than a forced section!
post #23 of 37
2/27/08 at 8:13pm
Thread Starter 
Firstly, I just realised I titled this wrong, it should say "CPS over refusing RCS". Pregnancy induced acronym confusion, its a real problem.

Thanks ladies. I know I am very lucky to have Dr T, I guess I just need to get past the fear of delivering on the side of I95. Like someone else said, at this point the hostility and negativity is damage enough whatever the outcome. *Sigh*

Thanks for the offer Sweeetpea, thats a lovely sounding idea! I love messy houses! Its such a gorgeous area up there as well....hmmm.....can we come over right now? I will bring icecream! lol. Just kidding.
post #24 of 37
2/27/08 at 8:24pm
When I was pregnant with my second child I had a hospital admin come in and threatened to call CPS. They said that if I did not ride in an ambulance to another city to have an emergency section, they would be forced to report me as an unfit mother and remove my 2 year old.


I'd die at home before I went back to that hospital!
post #25 of 37
2/27/08 at 8:49pm
Tell the threatening OB you're moving. And if you are super concerned about making it to the other doctor, get a hotel room!
post #26 of 37
2/27/08 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by momto3wantingmore View Post
yes but there are also many stories about women who had police show up at thier door with a warrent to take them to the hospital for a c/section. SHe was never allowed an attorney to fight on her behaff and when she turned around and sued for her rights being violated she lost. It can and does happen. This one happend in Florida.
Yes...and how many more times are we (society, women in general, pregnant women, women seeking to have the normal conclusion to a pregnancy, etc) going to let that be a reason to stay silent and let the reigning powers that be have their way?

I realize that not every medical professional should be considered evil, but quite frankly the system is broken and the only way it's going to change is if individual women just like you and me start making our voices heard. Letting them silence you with fear and intimidation tactics will not change things.
post #27 of 37
2/28/08 at 12:23pm
Everyone has given you great advice. I just want to tell you how sorry I am that this is happening.

Please keep us updated!
post #28 of 37
2/28/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by hapi2help View Post
Everyone has given you great advice. I just want to tell you how sorry I am that this is happening.

Please keep us updated!
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post #29 of 37
2/28/08 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by momtoafireteam View Post
Firstly, I just realised I titled this wrong, it should say "CPS over refusing RCS". Pregnancy induced acronym confusion, its a real problem.
It would be lovely if it were the way around that you have it in the thread title, wouldn't it? Just watch all the OBs magically become able to read the evidence if they'd get reported to CPS if they didn't support a viable VBAC.

(BTW, advanced mode in editing lets you change thread titles, a lot of people don't know that, so I thought I'd mention it.)
post #30 of 37
2/28/08 at 8:01pm
I find it shocking he would try and get a court order to force a c-section regardless of how the birth was going

I would RUN from that office and never see him again.
post #31 of 37
2/28/08 at 10:54pm
Another idea: Call CPS and explain the situation. I've heard from some moms who were threatened with this, that then called CPS to ask their opinion. Basically, CPS laughed it off and said it was ridiculous and they would NEVER intervene.

If financially possible, you might also consider getting an attorney to discuss the situation with. Maybe have the attorney send the doctor a letter explaining how it is unethical and you plan to sue if the doctor takes any actions that violate your civil rights.
post #32 of 37
2/28/08 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by danotoyou2 View Post
Another idea: Call CPS and explain the situation. I've heard from some moms who were threatened with this, that then called CPS to ask their opinion. Basically, CPS laughed it off and said it was ridiculous and they would NEVER intervene.

If financially possible, you might also consider getting an attorney to discuss the situation with. Maybe have the attorney send the doctor a letter explaining how it is unethical and you plan to sue if the doctor takes any actions that violate your civil rights.

Yeah, I would call CPS prospectively. That sounds wacky to me. I have a problem with the Florida case as well. I am wondering if there were other things going on? The lack of a citation to a case is also kind of weird. Even if it weren't tried there should be a record of the case?
post #33 of 37
2/28/08 at 11:42pm
I have just been googling to see what is what with forced c-sections. You should also get in touch with the local ACLU, they apparently defend in these instances. Having them at your beck and call would more than likely prevent a court from issuing an order for a c-section.

http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverigh...s19970930.html

Really interesting case law.
post #34 of 37
3/1/08 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
"I wish you would have told me earlier that you are pure evil, but I do appreciate the advanced warning. I am with drawing from your care as of this moment and you may consider this your due notice for sending any records contained in this office to my other OB."
AMEN! I would never darken his doorway again, that is an outright threat. RUN!
post #35 of 37
3/4/08 at 8:55pm
"I would expect that this order would be accompanied by the peer-reviewed evidence-based research reports, along with the printed legal material, that indicate that I do not have the right to make the right informed choice for myself, my baby, and my family. And since obviously you have this material very handy, I look forward to you forwarding it to me by email, here's my address. Would you like me to forward the peer-reviewed, evidence-based research reports to YOU that I have indicating that the risk of vbac is insignificant compared to the risk of a fourth surgical birth, including my at least threefold increased risk of death and leaving my current children motherless?"
post #36 of 37
3/4/08 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by Robinna View Post
"I would expect that this order would be accompanied by the peer-reviewed evidence-based research reports, along with the printed legal material, that indicate that I do not have the right to make the right informed choice for myself, my baby, and my family. And since obviously you have this material very handy, I look forward to you forwarding it to me by email, here's my address. Would you like me to forward the peer-reviewed, evidence-based research reports to YOU that I have indicating that the risk of vbac is insignificant compared to the risk of a fourth surgical birth, including my at least threefold increased risk of death and leaving my current children motherless?"
post #37 of 37
3/4/08 at 10:30pm
wow..how incredibly stupid and condescending of him.

ICAN is working of a list of hospitals, etc. etc. Please pm me so i can put this dr/hospital info. into the database so other moms wont be sucked into seeing him.
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