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post #1 of 17
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We were in the car yesterday and we heard an ad on the radio for Barack Obama. Later on, when we were having lunch, Efram (5) told me, "I hope Orack Babama gets to be president." I thought, "How cool!" I told Efram, "You know, if Barack Obama becomes president, he will be the first brown president we've ever had in America" (Efram is brown in a majority peach family). Efram seemed completely unimpressed. I said, "Why do you want him to be president?" Efram replied, "Because George Bush has already been president and he needs to share!"

Ramona (6) piped up with "I want Barack Obama to be president, too!" I said, "Oh, why do you like him for president?" Ramona replied, "He wants to help people go to the doctor better and he wants to help families with children." I then told Ramona that if Hilary Clinton becomes president, she will be the first female president we've ever had. Like Efram, she was unimpressed.

Later in the day, I had a completely unrelated conversation with Desta, who is 13. She asked me whether I was going to vote next week and I said yes. She said she wanted to vote, too, and that she would vote for Obama if she could (she didn't call him Obama; she referred to him as "the brown one.") I asked her why she likes Obama and she said, "He wants to make less healthcare." I was a bit confused by that until she explained that he wanted healthcare to cost less. She said she also likes that he wants to help poor people.

She asked me whether I would vote for Obama, and I said yes. She smiled and said, "We're just like each other!" I had a private laugh over that one because Desta is constantly complaining about how dissimilar we are in nearly every aspect of life.

dm
post #2 of 17
LOL! My 5 y.o. dd is not happy with me for not voting for "the girl".

ZM
post #3 of 17
That is great!

My dd would vote for Hillary, because she is a woman. She is very impressed! I love, love, love that our children are watching a race with a brown man AND a woman. I have a feeling that this election changes everything. When I was a child, we talked about "Do you ever think there will be a ________ president?" (as if it weren't possible). I have a feeling that wistful dreaming is over! :
post #4 of 17
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I think my little ones have not yet realized that there can be boy/girl competition, so I guess to them, the idea of a woman president is not very shocking. I thought that Efram would be more excited about a brown president, because he is very proud of being brown, so I don't know why he seemed not to care.

Desta, who lived in Ethiopia until she was 11, has very fixed gender role ideas, and I think she is a little bit unfavorably shocked by the idea of a *woman* running for president. Dh and I, of course, do our best to debunk gender stereotypes with her, but she is constantly making comments about what boys should do and what girls should do and what they can and can't do. Even Efram and Ramona call her on it on occasion.

dm
post #5 of 17
My almost-three-year-old likes to watch the will.i.am YouTube video for Barack Obama, and answers the question "What does Mr. Obama say?" with "Yes we can!"

I thought we had formed an alliance within the family, but after I showed her the two Democratic candidates on the front page of the newspaper and explained that Mama wanted Mr. Obama to be president and Papa wanted Mrs. Clinton to be president, she's decided to be a Clinton supporter. Alas!

To give my husband credit, though, he only gloated for a moment before telling her that they might have to change their mind later, because the most important thing was supporting the Democratic candidate.

At the junior high sex education class I teach at church, week after week the kids are vigorously debating Obama vs. Clinton. They're very passionate about it.
post #6 of 17
Ds would vote for Hillary if he could. He is concerned about where she stands on the death penalty though....amongst other things.
But, Obama would be second choice!

One day we went through all the different candidates and what they stood for. He has picked up from me though that "no more bush" would be excellent!
post #7 of 17
That's so cool! I love those kinds of conversations. I love Efram's reasoning that Bush needs to share.

My Ds (16) would really like to vote this time too. I do believe he's a Barack man. He has issues with Hilary going back to some censorship/video games/violence in media stuff she was all about I guess.
post #8 of 17
I love it!

My 7yo thought it would be cool if Obama won, because "Obama could get Osama and say, 'Yo Mama!'" Apparently a neighbor kid is a bit of a hawk. :
post #9 of 17
i blogged about having a political conversation with my ds6.5 here. he's really upset that kucinich is out of the running, but would happily vote for obama or hilary. 'anyone would be better than bush' he says we've talked a lot about racism and sexism throughout history and he's really impressed and excited about having these two candidates.
post #10 of 17
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I thought that Efram would be more excited about a brown president, because he is very proud of being brown, so I don't know why he seemed not to care.
My guess would be that he doesnt' really care because he's only 5 years old and the concept of President isn't very firm in his mind. Is it any different, from his perspective, of there being different colors and genders of musicians or actors? We already have that, so what's the big deal about a brown president?

I haven't really talked to DS about politics at all- he was at school when I went to go vote and he was never in the car when we heard a political commercial, so it just never came up in conversation. I wouldn't really expect him to understand much about the process at the tender age of 6.

DD2 and I had lots of discussions on the topic, and I had her compare Obama and Clinton's websites to see what they had to say for themselves: how they stand on the issues, how they present their views, etc. I had a similar conversation w/DD1 but it tok place after school and wasn't as long or in depth.
post #11 of 17
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Is it any different, from his perspective, of there being different colors and genders of musicians or actors? We already have that, so what's the big deal about a brown president?
He gets really excited about brown people anywhere, though, and makes sure he points out to me when someone is brown. I think he is aware of the difference between musicians and actors and the president. He knows that there is only one, and that person serves for 8 years, and that we vote that person in, and he has rudimentary idea of what a president can do.

Maybe he was just more excited about finishing his veggie burger and going to the play place. (We were at Burger King : because the people working on our basement made us turn off our furnace and the house was 42 degrees!)

dm
post #12 of 17
If we cheer when our children say they want Obama to win because he's brown, or Clinton to win because she's female, then it's to be expected that my husband and my male friends and relatives would vote for McCain - because many of them are white males. That's not okay, though, is it?
post #13 of 17
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If we cheer when our children say they want Obama to win because he's brown, or Clinton to win because she's female, then it's to be expected that my husband and my male friends and relatives would vote for McCain - because many of them are white males. That's not okay, though, is it?
I am a white female who is voting for a black male. I don't think being happy that a brown or female person could be president has much to do with our own personal status ... I think it has to do with being excited that a new demographic may be represented. We've had white males since the beginning; nothing to get excited about there.

dm
post #14 of 17
Love the kids' reasoning, dm

And as for this:

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then it's to be expected that my husband and my male friends and relatives would vote for McCain - because many of them are white males. That's not okay, though, is it?
It is like dm said. We are in a time of shifting paradigms. I'm sure when we go 250 years without a white male president, the white males will have some justification in their excitement, yk?
post #15 of 17
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It is like dm said. We are in a time of shifting paradigms. I'm sure when we go 250 years without a white male president, the white males will have some justification in their excitement, yk?
Exactly!

The discussion of politics here has been fun! My husband and I voted for the first time in a state that has a caucus.....and we live in a very small town. So, off we went to the caucus, and before, during and after got to have tons of amazing conversations with a 7 and 3 yr old about politics, elections, who we were voting for and why, monarchy, the American Revolution, the first president....and thats only a few things that came up! The caucus was great! A lot of people spoke and told why they were voting for whom they were voting for. My oldest was secretly counting them, and Obama seemed to get the majority there. Then we divided up into groups to count votes for delegates, and Oldest was really interested if his count would be representative of how the vote went....and it was! The other people ther were great to the kids, and were also psyched to see them there (there were only about 60 people so it was a reallyl intimate experience!)

And as an aside - the coolest thing happened. We voted for Obama, and Obama had 3 delegates that would be sent to the state convention from our town. We got to pick them, and we sent a father and daughter team (plus another of course)!!! They were so psyched to go, to support Obama, and to do it together!

Politics can be exciting for kids....once you throw away the textbooks!!
post #16 of 17
I think the current elections are exciting and have been a wonderful way to get my 7yo dd interested in learning about our government. We've been reading about presidents, watching videos about our government and she's actually interested in the political news. My 4yo has been interested too, she keeps asking me if "Rock Obama" is going to win.
post #17 of 17
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It is like dm said. We are in a time of shifting paradigms. I'm sure when we go 250 years without a white male president, the white males will have some justification in their excitement, yk?
Oh you put it so well! My 12 yr old son is quite taken by the election. First he liked Hillary, but then after one of the debates he turned strongly to Obama...to the point of getting the campaign emails and asking us to contribute. So I gave a little to Obama in return for campaign buttons for my son to wear and he's just thrilled.

I like the way kids approach politics:

1st he saw the media breaking everything down by race/gender and said, "That is so ridiculous - as if someone would choose their president by race or gender!"

Then Hillary said Obama had no substance so he asked me and I told him that Obama has a few books out, so he checked out The Audacity of Hope on audiocassette and listened to most of it over a week or two.

Now when we have a political question, we ask the 12 yr old. He even FULLY understands the Texas primary process...I'm not sure most Texans understand it or care to.

I really think this country needed an election like this - one where people feel that their vote counts for something and that candidates are actually listening to them. I just hope that it stays that way after one of them becomes president.

Lucie
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