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post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
So, DH & I took a CPR class on Monday, and a First Aid class on Wednesday. We were told that their would be childcare available, and their was... untill 8:30 (class ended at 9:00, I think they both went a little over), so at 8:30 on monday I went and got my son who was upset, tired and hungry. All we were doing was review and the test by that point, thankfully, so I brought him into the class, sat down and nursed, just like always. After he was done he started vocalizing (happily), so they opend up a "pre-school" room for me to go do the test in real quick which was nice, though its FAR from baby-proof. I'd also nursed him at least once or twice in the childcare room.

Then last night, at our first break I went in and nursed him in teh childcare room. One of the lady's that was in their asked "would you like a blanket?", and when I said 'no, thanks' she was like 'well, we were told that you have to cover...' and so I told her that, no I do not, in the state of Ohio, you can't make me cover, and she dropped it. Then I went and sat down in class again. I'm not entirely sure if it was then or after the second break, but in anycase, later on, the instructor of the class asked me to step outside and I was confronted by her and another woman (whom I'm not sure who she was), and told that in the future I must either go somewhere private or cover. I tried to inform them that that was against the law but they just kept saying 'some people are botherd' and so 'you have to cover, its respect' and then told that my other option was to leave the room and go somewhere else, in the future. When they wouldn't listen I just walked back into the room and sat down. DH skipped out on the oxygen administration class so he could watch DS the last hour we were there.

Now, starting next week I'm taking a lifeguarding class their and so don't know what to do. I fully intend to bring a copy of the Ohio law with me from now on, at the very least. I'm just not sure if I should confront them about this or wait for it to come up again. I'm fairly upset and offended, but just don't know what to do now. Should I push this and possibly make myself persona-non-grata or should I just let sleeping dogs be, and hope it doesn't come up again, and if it does, deal with it then? WWYD??
post #2 of 48
You should contact LLL and have them contact your local Y and explain the law. That usually solves the problem.

If that doesn't work you can always stage a nurse in. Because it's not just you they are affecting but everyone who is or may breastfeed.

GOOD LUCK!!!
post #3 of 48
I would go to their supervisor or manager and inform them of the law and ask that their employees be trained to know and uphold the law. If that doesn't get a satisfactory result, you can decide if you want to take it further.
post #4 of 48
What dingle berries!!! Just calmly state you're feeding your son - ask them if they cover up their food when they eat and hand they a copy of the law.
post #5 of 48
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Originally Posted by tbone_kneegrabber View Post
You should contact LLL and have them contact your local Y and explain the law. That usually solves the problem.

If that doesn't work you can always stage a nurse in. Because it's not just you they are affecting but everyone who is or may breastfeed.

GOOD LUCK!!!

IA.
post #6 of 48
Make an issue of it-- not in a combative way, but definitely continue to nurse your DC openly there as much as possible. I agree that it would be good to seek out the director/supervisor as well and confront the situation as well, in a strong, educating, non-threatening way. I know its difficult for you personally to jeopardize relationships, but you are doing a service to all breastfeeding women. We're with you. Let us know how it goes.
post #7 of 48
I agree with the other suggestions and wanted to add that there's a Y "chain" of power (your local Y's director, your city's executive director and then the national director). I would write letters to the heads of all three (you can find them on line) and make sure they see that you're copying it to LLL and other groups.

The Y claims to be family friendly and want to build strong kids and families. Your experience is counter to that philosophy.
post #8 of 48
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post #9 of 48
I live in Ohio, too. If I am ever confronted, I plan to say the following:

"I'm sorry that seeing me feed my baby is uncomfortable for you. However, the law in this state protects my my babies right to eat. You should know that if you ask a woman not to nurse, she can actually file a sexual harassment suit agaist you and [insert establishment where this is occurring]. I guess you probably didn't know that, and I'd hate to see you or [insert establishment here] wind up in court being sued for sexual harassment; you seem like a nice person who just didn't know about this."

I practice this a lot, although my LO won't let me NIP. I'm quite disappointed, actually.
post #10 of 48
I learned this technique from my DH. I tend to want to continue talking and listening.

Simple brief explanation, then walk back in. "You are being unlawful. You can contact my lawyer if you wish to continue harrassing me." Knowing the name of a local civil liberities lawyer is GREAT to drop here. Then walk back in.

What are they going to do? Come in and drag you out?
post #11 of 48
While the Ohio public breastfeeding law does not have an explicit enforcement provision http://llli.org/Law/Bills31b.html , last year the Ohio Civil Rights Commission did find that breastfeeding discrimination is sex discrimination so you could file a complaint there (see http://dispatch.com/live/content/loc...1_226F2FL.html ). You may also want to contact the Ohio Breastfeeding Coalition http://theohiobreastfeedingcoalition.org/ of which Jennifer Laycock of The Lactivist Blog http://thelactivist.blogspot.com/ is one of the founders.
post #12 of 48
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While the Ohio public breastfeeding law does not have an explicit enforcement provision http://llli.org/Law/Bills31b.html , last year the Ohio Civil Rights Commission did find that breastfeeding discrimination is sex discrimination so you could file a complaint there (see http://dispatch.com/live/content/loc...1_226F2FL.html ). You may also want to contact the Ohio Breastfeeding Coalition http://theohiobreastfeedingcoalition.org/ of which Jennifer Laycock of The Lactivist Blog http://thelactivist.blogspot.com/ is one of the founders.
Mamajake, have I ever mentioned how much I adore having you on these boards?
post #13 of 48
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Mamajake, have I ever mentioned how much I adore having you on these boards?
Mega

I'm really just avoiding food shopping.

And my brain is like my living room - stacks and stacks of paper so if I didn't constantly recycle my family would suffocate.
post #14 of 48
Thread Starter 
OK, I think I'm going to work on a letter (which I'll post once I have it all written out for comments/suggestions...), to send to the YMCA, along with copies of the law in OH and the dispatch's article on civil rights discrimination. Who all should I send this to though? The local Y where this happend, obviously, but then who? The national ymca, LLL, who else?

Lots of thanks for your guys's input and thoughts, and mamajake, you're amazing with the links!!

ETA: I just checked the y's website, and the other lady was the childcare director... when I send the letters should I send copies to her and the aquatics instructor (the two that confronted me), or just the executive director?
post #15 of 48
Please report this incident to the FirstRight breastfeeding discrimination taskforce at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...ht_Task_Force/

This group came out of the applebee's nurse-in and includes Jen the Lactivist, who was mentioned earlier.

Kristin Skrydlak-Simlai
post #16 of 48
www.firstright.org

PLEASE fill out a report. If at least for the database.
post #17 of 48
You could probably contact the American Heart Association or the Red Cross, depending on who your class was through. Might as well make it rain down on 'em from above there, too.
post #18 of 48
I'd maintain my stance and keep repeating, "You saying anything to me about it is against the law. Stop."

I did that once, actually. Got shaky and cried, but I did it.

I agree with the rest about contacting the CPR sponsor ppl, and all the heads of the Y.

When did ppl get it in their heads that it's ok to bully others??
post #19 of 48
I would breastfeed and refuse to cover or leave. Beforehand I would talk to some higher ups. I would also print the state law and bring it with me.
post #20 of 48
Thread Starter 
Ok, here's what I have so far. I'm having problems ending it... is it OK as is, or should I add an ending, and if so... what should go in it?

Quote:
I am a member of the YMCA of XXXXXX County, and am writing to you about an incident that occurred on February 27, 2008.

My husband and I were enrolled in CPR, First Aid & Oxygen Administration and I in Lifeguarding as well. As a result on the 25th and 27th of February our son was in the childcare room while we were in class. Because childcare closed at 8:30 and the classes went till 9:00, on Monday (February 25th) I brought our son into the class and breastfed him during the review, and then went to the pre-school room while I did the test as he was vocalizing happily at the time. I also breastfed him at least twice in the childcare room without issue.

On Wednesday (February 27th), during the first break in First Aid around 6:15 I went into the childcare room to check on my son. He was happy to see me and acting hungry so I sat down and began to breastfeed. One of the women () asked if I would like a blanket, and I politely declined. She then told me that she was told that I had to cover or go somewhere private. I then asked her who told her that and informed her that in the state of Ohio I have the right to breastfeed anywhere I am otherwise allowed to be. She then seemed to drop it, and so did I too.

When we were done nursing, my son went back to playing and I went back to class. Shortly there after I was asked to step outside with Mrs XXX XXXXX. When I did so, I was confronted by her and Mrs XXX XXXXX and told that in the future I must cover myself while breastfeeding, or go somewhere private to breastfeed. I informed them of the law, and they did not seem to care. They kept insisting that I could not breastfeed without a cover in public at the YMCA. Eventually, I just turned around and walked back into the class.

I did not hear anything about it afterwards, though I also did not attempt to breastfeed my son for the remainder of the time at the YMCA, despite his obvious hunger cues later on that evening. My husband chose to opt-out of Oxygen Administration in order to watch our son after First Aid ended, starting around 8:00.

The relevant law is Ohio Senate Bill 41, which was signed into law on June 14, 2005 by Governor Taft, and which took effect 90 days later (September 12, 2005) is as follows:

Sec. 3781.55. A mother is entitled to breast-feed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother otherwise is permitted.

Additionally, the Civil Rights Commission of Ohio ruled in April of 2007 that breastfeeding discrimination is civil rights discrimination based on sex. According to G. Michael Peyton (executive director of the commission):

"Only females breast-feed their babies, therefore, rules and regulations which create a hardship or burden to providing nourishment in commonly accepted ways violates the public accommodation provision on the basis of sex."

As a result of the law and the later ruling, the YMCA could be sued for civil rights discrimination. Since the YMCA's stated goal is to “build strong kids, strong families and strong communities”, it seems counter that to be discriminating against breastfeeding mothers and their children. Breastfeeding provides optimal nutrition to babies and young children, and as such would seem to be included in the “strong kids” portion of the YMCA's stated goals.
Lots of thanks for your help, I'm about to go file a report with firstrights
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