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Another NPR story on play. . .and I find it somewhat confusing.  

post #1 of 23
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Especially the Q and A at the bottom, and then all that stuff about how the kids had to come up with a plan for all of their play.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=76838288

After reading this, I'm thinking, so, unstructured play is NOT ideal? Am I supposed to encourage my sons to act out books that they've read? (Pff - fat chance, even if I thought it was a good idea!)

Do you think this only applies in a school setting where kids have so little time for play?

Somebody, please enlighten me.
post #2 of 23
I'm sorry, but here's how I feel about this article

This means that they think children's play shouldn't transcend from one play area to another, seamlessly, flowing. Such as when my son builds a block tower, then runs over to the people and animal figures and adds them to it to make a farm or a city, then goes to the dress up corner to put on clothes to be a farmer himself. It's creativity at work people! And they want kids to stop each step of the way and write it down? Come-on
post #3 of 23
I agree. They're trying to find a "super-play". How is having a teacher mediate a paperwork session "self-regulating"?: Let the poor kids play!
post #4 of 23
Once again, it's the idea that free play is not going to create a smart kid as much as "appointed" and "carefully directed" play by a knoweldegable adult/expert. Is that even really called play?? Hey! I think that could be another word. Like a "lesson" veiled as "fun". Yuck!
post #5 of 23
Right, structured unstrucured play. Very educational.
Or, it may be educational, but is it play? Yup. Teacher led, self-directed play.
post #6 of 23
I heard it this morning and was shocked to hear children can't even have unstructured recess. crazy.
post #7 of 23
The girl had to write a plan to play playdoh?

Say what?
post #8 of 23
From the article:

"She says when kids are in leagues and lessons, they are usually being regulated by adults. That means they are not able to practice regulating themselves.

"As a result," Leong says, "kids aren't developing the self-regulation skills that they used to."

That is why, in a Tools of the Mind program like the one at Geraldyn O. Foster Early Childhood Center, almost every minute of the day is spent building executive functions."


"Building executive functions" means adult-directed play, with a written "contract" from each student before the "building executive functions", oops, I mean "play" begins.

And this:

As she explains it, not even recess is innocent fun: "It's not just 'run out in the yard.' No. We want them to make a plan: What do you want to do, and how do you want to do it?"

I wonder if anyone besides us thinks this all sounds like it's really bizarrely missing the point of free play. Is the world really so crazY? The teachers make it sound like the students are incapable of coming up with play ideas on their own.

I just wonder why they don't just get a bunch of kids together in one spot for a given amount if time each day and then allow the kids to develop play on their own, however they want. But I am guessing the adults would give it about 5 minutes tops, decide the play didn't look like the sort of play that is "acceptable" and step in to show how "it's done".

This blows my mind:

"I was totally blown away. The kids were sitting together working quietly. It was like a second-grade classroom instead of a preschool classroom. I couldn't believe it," Diamond says.

Yeah, things are pretty skewed out there. Obviously the point of directed play is to make kids behave in completely unnatural ways, to turn preschoolers into quiet worker bees who act like second graders.


Further, in another related article from NPR, interviewing one of the teachers from the original article:

"Free time for play is better than no or little play, but it is not enough.
But social pretend play doesn't have much value if children are free to abandon a play scenario after a few moments or are not held accountable for staying within their chosen role. And play needs to be facilitated by adults who are trained in observing children and in understanding how play contributes to children's mastery of concepts and skills. — Adele Diamond"





"Children who were in the [school] district curriculum performed roughly at chance. And the kids in the Tools program were about 85 percent correct," Diamond says. "So those are big differences."


So, really, the main benefit of this type of curriculum involving directed play is to ready the child for the classroom. Point of article.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenthumb3 View Post

This blows my mind:

"I was totally blown away. The kids were sitting together working quietly. It was like a second-grade classroom instead of a preschool classroom. I couldn't believe it," Diamond says.

Yeah, things are pretty skewed out there. Obviously the point of directed play is to make kids behave in completely unnatural ways, to turn preschoolers into quiet worker bees who act like second graders.

THat is exactly what I thought too. If I had seen what she had described I would be blown away too, but for completely different reasons.

The article seems to be a contradiction to the previous article they aired a couple of days ago. In the other article they said that executive function was greater in kids who had a lot of unstructured free play.
post #10 of 23
Ok I listened to the other story again and now I see the running theme between them. In the first story they say that executive function is learned through the private speech (self regulation) of a child's free play.

The second story is about a preschool that teaches executive function through scripted "private speech" in structured play.

Interesting.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Leersia View Post

Do you think this only applies in a school setting where kids have so little time for play?

Somebody, please enlighten me.
I think the information was really interesting, in that free play aids in a child developing self-regulation. But then I see it being turned into an argument trying to justify play in a school setting to folks who see no other intrinsic value worthy of allowing it in the classroom. Whatever helps those poor school kids have 30-40 minutes of play per day, right? (And that's kindergarteners.)
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenthumb3 View Post
From the article:


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But social pretend play doesn't have much value if children are free to abandon a play scenario after a few moments or are not held accountable for staying within their chosen role. — Adele Diamond"
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In credible!!!
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by greenthumb3 View Post
I think the information was really interesting, in that free play aids in a child developing self-regulation. But then I see it being turned into an argument trying to justify play in a school setting to folks who see no other intrinsic value worthy of allowing it in the classroom. Whatever helps those poor school kids have 30-40 minutes of play per day, right? (And that's kindergarteners.)
This was my take-away, too, after listening to it on the radio.

The part about having a plan to play with the playdough reminded me of some scifi short story -- you know, a story about some future society that's gone bonkers and has to fill out paperwork in order to play. It's so surreal.
post #14 of 23
So timely. I'm reading this as my boys are playing in a mound of couch cushions which have been a cave, a garage, a house, a castle in the course of 20 minutes.

What I'm beginning to realize is that my kids (and your kids) are the exception to the rule. My 4 year old and 6 year old spend, probably, a majority of their time every day doing unstructured play. They are creative and imaginative and can engage themselves for hours. I see other kids their age that are in school all day, come home at night and do homework and on weekends go to soccer practice and (no kidding) 3 to 4 birthday parties.

I see moms at the playground directing their kids play.

So is free play dying or can we get the word out about its importance?
post #15 of 23
Oh my, these people have taken this information/study all wrong. OH MY! I worked as a toddler teacher for years and I balanced my role as teacher/facilitator. Are the children asking for more stuff for their play? Do they want me to join in or step back? I spent time observing how the play progressed, stopped and started and noted that the children tended to keep an overall theme for minutes to hours to weeks.

So sad to see something good get turned around.
post #16 of 23
I just wanted to say I'm so glad these stories are being discussed! I looked for a thread yesterday and wasn't even sure where to find it. Fortunately, a Waldorf group I'm in did discuss it and I think we all agree - Educator-driven play is not play at all.

Let them Play!
post #17 of 23
I was yelling at the radio when I heard that story on npr. I'm so glad to see that others were disturbed too.
post #18 of 23
Play is a way of life, especially for kids, not something to compartmentalize into a schedule an hour or two a day. So, kids can play differently at different times, with varying amounts of adult supervision. Preschool should be more supervised because it's the place where kids are preparing for school, but at home, that's where we parents have to gradually give kids the confidence and street smarts to play on their own.
post #19 of 23
I can see both good and bad in this. They are realizing that play is where it's at, that's how kids learn. They're letting them do as they wish. But they're making it formalized, and I can see how this can end up with self regulation. But if you let them just play, freely, and give them the right tools and equip them with rest and full tummies, example, and a little guidance now and then, self regulation will come naturally.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by lauracd View Post

So is free play dying or can we get the word out about its importance?
: Incredible. And it does feel like "A Brave New World" or something like it.
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