"Medical" Marijuana during Labor - Page 9

[Ldavis24]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

i just wanted to say i Hope i didnt hurt anyone's feelings i just have STRONG feelings agenst drugs after watching my sister almost kill her self time and time again and now watching her deteriorate in prison
she stole from our family time and time again she went as far as to steal my wedding ring off my finger while i was asleep to pawn for drugs he IS in a rehab program at the prison and is doing good but it was to the point where she didnt meet ym 2nd son until he was 1 for fear she would be high when she did so maybe this is why i am so dead set ageist any from of drugs but im sorry if i hurt Anyone's feelings

Shakenbake, I am so sorry if I sounded mad earlier. I completely understand the problems you have dealt with with your sister. My whole family was so negatively affected by my cousin basically destroying herself with heroin. She was visiting my grandparents and my grandmother came back from the bathroom to catch her trying to run out of the house with her wallet. Every person in the family had to change their locks because we all know where everyone's hide a key is and she was breaking into everyone's houses. Then she would disappear for months at a time with no contact only to show up when she was homeless and had no place to go!

Thank god after jail she straightened herself out and actually was the one who threw me my baby shower! I hope your sister can find her path again because heroin is one of the most destructive forces I have ever seen...

That being said and having seen the first handside of one of the worst drugs possible, I will never ever consider pot to be anywhere near the category of heroin or any other drug. You might think your sister started doing heroin because she was searching for a stronger high but unfortunately I think it has more to do with personality and less to do with weed itself.
There are people in this world who simply have addictive personalities and there is nothing that will stop them.

Pot is not a gateway drug.
It is often the first drug people try but someone who is getting high from Heroin is not looking for the same experience that they are looking for from pot.

[GoBecGo]

Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy

To me it sounds silly for these people you claim are suffering from "principally depressive and schizoaffective or psychotic type disorders" To be leading as an example for others, since you have yet to tell us whether they have recovered from their symptoms once stopping their pot use, or if they still suffer to this day. Yes it raises awearness but does so to the point of showing it as a normal thing that can be worked out that happens to many people these days, so it's just luck of the draw and while you can make some changes things are ok. This leads so many people to believing that they can cope and handle these disorders on their own when they need help.

Being diagnosed with a condition is often forever, even when symptoms are completely in remission. As for it being "silly" for people with long-term, first hand recovery experience working to assist others in there recovery if you knew anything about it you would know that it WORKS. Mental illness, like many other ilnesses, do not have linear causes or cures. There are people who are cared for by the most highly regarded mental health professionals for YEARS who do not get better and those who recover after only peer support. Most fall between these groups on the spectrum. When you get cancer you often are offered a referral to a hospice to meet with other sufferers who are sharing your journey and within those hospices survivors are often invited back to speak to tose travelling the road. It is inspiring and supporting to meet with survivors of your illness, not "silly".

The Mental Health Recovery Network is not about telling people that mental ill-health is a "normal thing" or that they can cope without treatment, it's about helping them to see their own role in their recovery, be honest about the choices they are making (in thought and action) which are impeding their recovery or exacerbating their illness. That might be recognising that the pot you smoke to try and sleep during a manic episode is making the following depressive episode into a suicidal one rather than a moderately depressed one. It might be about recognising that the therapist you've been with for 3 years who you really like isn't actually helping you and that the CBT you began but quit because it was too confronting was actually the path you really need to walk down for recovery. It might be about recognising that you are always going to hear voices because your brain chemistry is wrong and that it is ok to choose to tell them to shut up rather than doing what they say you should.

I am harping on, i know it. I'll stop. These people are VERY qualified to assist in recovery from mental illness. Nothing is more powerful than "i have been there, i am listening" in our experience. And i know a psychiatrist with schizoaffective disorder - mental illness doesn't target stupid useless people, it just makes them FEEL useless. Even if people aren't ready to begin a road to recovery it always provokes strong responses hearing and knowing that others have recovered by taking responsibility for themselves, their lifestyles, their well-being.

Achieving mental health is never simply a case of giving up pot, because pot is never the ONLY factor, and even if it was, stopping won't cure it any more than quitting smoking cures already growing lung cancer. But for those who come to realise their use is making things worse, yes, obviously they have stopped using it! As for whether or not they have symptoms still, some do, some don't. There is a big difference between someone with bipolar feeling a bit manic and going out and spnding every penny they have and then selling ther clothes, and then their body to get more before falling into a depression which drives them to attempt suicide and someone with bipolar feeling a bit manic and knowing it's time to have a warm milk, a long bath and an early night to get on top of the swing before it gets worse. Are they cured? No, they still have symptoms. Are they living a life of mental ill-health? No, they have overcome it. Perhaps to you all that is just silly and they should double the lithium and stay in the hospital, but to me, and to MANY others, it is incredibly inspiring, just as it is inspiring to know those who have ME/CFS to be able to live a relatively normal life by managing their illness.

And FWIW though you may be talking about cannabis in its purest form, i personally have no idea where i could get that locally and it's certainly not what i imagine when i am in this discussion. I imagine the pot i have seen, from the weed my SIL uses for her chronic congenital illness, to the complete rubbish i smoked as a student and everything in between. Perhaps it would be more useful to talk about the concept in everyone else's heads in this discussion (which obviously vary widely) rather than one's own very specific idea of a pure herb which most of us probably don't even have access to, even if we DID want to use it.

[Chronic Chrissy]

It may not be intended for people to interpt awearness of mental illness as an excuse to cope, but especially if people aren't ready to accept their illness and seek the help they need in a constructive healthy way, this is how people interpt it these days. Yes I believe it is inspiring and a great tool for the people who are at that point. But lets face it some people can't be bothered to go to the doctor when they need seriouse medical attention so they sure won't go to the doctor for voices in their head. They'll say to themselves " I know what this is, the man told me about it, if I do what he did it will go away. I can deal with this." and the man never makes it to seek help, instead he buts out his joint, and thinks it must be under control when it's not.

"Achieving mental health is never simply a case of giving up pot, because pot is never the ONLY factor, and even if it was, stopping won't cure it any more than quitting smoking cures already growing lung cancer. "

But you are making the connection between mental illness triggers and cannibis, instead of connecting mental illness triggers and potentially habit forming substances and actions. It's information like this, even though you have made a vast connection, only paints part of the picture without providing all the information related to the topic in a form that is easily included so people can make well informed decisions. Partial information like this is why we have to fight so had for people to acknowledge true accurate info, instead of myths and misconceptions.

As for me not having and understanding of social services provided to help and rehabilitate people with mental illness. I live in a family with many mentally ill people and not just that but have grown up on the other side of the fence working very closely with my mother who worked in variouse postitions at various levels of the system with people and children with mental, and developmental illnesses, and learnt everything alongside her as she furthered her own studies. I understand the whole cycle of the system very well from many many angles.

As for the cleanliness of the pot, like I said before we are discussing a herb in the same standard of preservation and purity that we would assume of any other herb, red raspberry leaf, nettle, peppermint, ginger, Just because we can buy these on store shelves doesn't mean they are pure and clean, that's why we seek out and pay for organic. I mean come on raw veggies from other countries are being contaminate by growing in raw sewage and feces, and they make it into our stores, we have to be weary of everything we ingest but we can't involve a rundown of standards of product each time we discuss a herb or food. We have to assume quaility=response by body.

BTW medicinal marijuana supplied by the government is proven to be poor quality ganja, now if you are supplied by a co op or private growers that's another story, but comparing street grade to medicinal grade isn't even applicable anymore because it's like everything else they make, made as cheap and efficient as possible to increase profits, and poorly classified to mislead for gain. So don't you or your SIL kid yourself.

[darcytrue]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth

^I agree! They could take away your baby because of the drugs in your system (and maybe even in your baby's system.) I don't think it would be worth it.

I agree. I wouldn't chance it *especially* for that reason. My first baby ended up being an emergency c-section because he got stuck inside me. The next day he started having seizures and the staff at the hospital tested me for drugs without telling me first and then came in my hospital room post partum accusing me of having used drugs during my pregnancy thus causing the seizures. : Come to find out that ofcourse it was where they used the forceps on his head over and over to try and pull him through my vagina and it wasn't my fault at all AND I had no drugs in my system thank God!!! I can only imagine if I would have.

[Mal85]

Didn't read all the replies, but here's my two cents...

Personally, I wouldn't do it. All the risks with the hospital birth, drug tests, etc. But also, I don't think it would help. I know I used to smoke to try and relieve menstrual pains, but it really just heightened my senses and I felt them more intensely. Marijuana makes me really in-tune with my body, which could be good during labor, but certainly wouldn't alleviate any pain. It would make me much more aware of the pain I'm feeling...

[Talula Fairie]

I can chime in here with my own experience, I hope.

I am a bipolar patient who discovered after years of potsmoking (not consistently, I was never a daily smoker) that it made my symptoms worse. If I smoked it while manic, it made me even more manic, and it didn't do much for depression either. It also made my meds pretty much ineffective. I asked my doctor about it and he said that's really common. If you have a brain disorder and you take meds to correct your brain chemistry, smoking pot is not a good idea, it totally interferes with the whole thing. I'd be interested to see studies or whatnot on it.

As for getting specific strains of 'pure' MJ or whatever, I'm honestly pretty reluctant to believe that there are people out there with bipolar as bad as mine (Rapid Cycling Bipolar I) who've found a 'cure' through pot. I will admit that I did not use pot medicinally when I used it, so that's probably a whole other ballgame. I'm on the fence about that one, and until I see actual peer reviewed widely recognized studies on the matter, I'm inclined to go with my own experience and the info I was given by every mental health professional I have seen in the past 12 years: for the most part, pot and mental illness do not mix.

[Chronic Chrissy]

pot is not a "cure", it's and alternative treatment to medication, not to be taken with medication. With different people it works differently. Like you said pot made you more manic, but I bet you so would coke, or heroin, would as well, and I believe if we got you started gambling in a casino you would start losing it just as bad. Like I said you are specifying pot when you should be covering the wide spectrum of other triggers you have along with the pot, so others can make their own decisions from the information you are sharing.

As for your 12 years worth of experienced mental health professionals, it seems like they are treating pot as they are trained to treat herbal/alternative medicine. It's just like ob/gyns claiming that unassisted home births are dangerous, to them they are because of their beliefs and training, but to an open midwife she may see just how safe it is because the foundation of her knowledge charts a different perspective of birth.

[mamatolevi]

at the rate I eat poppy bagels, I'd never see my kids again!

(and yes, I have tested positive for opiates b/c of it. good think my old pshrink knows me well. he got a good laugh with me over it.)

[Talula Fairie]

Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy

pot is not a "cure", it's and alternative treatment to medication, not to be taken with medication. With different people it works differently. Like you said pot made you more manic, but I bet you so would coke, or heroin, would as well, and I believe if we got you started gambling in a casino you would start losing it just as bad. Like I said you are specifying pot when you should be covering the wide spectrum of other triggers you have along with the pot, so others can make their own decisions from the information you are sharing.

As for your 12 years worth of experienced mental health professionals, it seems like they are treating pot as they are trained to treat herbal/alternative medicine. It's just like ob/gyns claiming that unassisted home births are dangerous, to them they are because of their beliefs and training, but to an open midwife she may see just how safe it is because the foundation of her knowledge charts a different perspective of birth.

why are we still comparing pot to other street drugs? I think it's been well established it's totally different. those drugs have no medicinal value. And actually, opiates make me less manic. Although I have never done herion, so I wouldn't know about that (heroin and acid were the only two drugs I skipped of the most common ones). There is some talk about using opiates to treat mental illness, I dunno about that one but at least one person I heard about has tried it.

I don't think mental health workers who have WITNESSED countless people have their mental illnesses exacerbated by pot have no standing on what they are saying. Not the same as OBs who are just making assumptions about homebirth when there are lots of studies that prove them wrong. Another apples to oranges comparison. Unassisted birth is totally different, the jury is still out on it's safety since it has not been studied. Even many midwives are anti-UC, and I think it's perfectly valid for a scientific minded doctor to discount it. Not saying that I agree per se, but I can at least understand why. But that's neither here nor there, and I don't think it's the same thing as someone who sees, over and over again as I have whenever in patient, people who've had their illnesses made worse by pot. Sure, there could be other factors, but I personally believe it to be true.

by cure i meant medication that worked. I realize there is no technical cure for bipolar or any other mental illness, generally speaking the 'cure' is medication. hence the quotations.

Like I said, I am willing to believe it's possible to use pot medicinally to treat mental illness, but I think there isn't enough studies on it and until I see an unbiased peer reviewed study on it, I'm not going to beleive it. And of course there is the problem of getting access to the specific form of MJ needed to treat whatever. It's not like other herbs where you can just order from mountainroseherbs.com

You're also wrong about all doctors discounting herbal medications. My former psychiatrist has recommended many herbs and supplements for bipolar disorder.

Ultimately for me, pot made me worse. A little pot, a lot of pot, I'm sure what was different strains, ect. Pretty much the same universal effect. It also interacted with my medication, and THAT part I know to be an absolute fact.

[MommyNicoleTX]

FYI I'm one of those that is "anti-MJ" as someone put it. I live on the border of Mexico and have seen/heard way too many stories of families murdered to traffic MJ here. I also dont think there is enough info out there for "me" to ever use it, but "to each their own".

Anyways I have a valid, non-judgemental question...or two or three...

I've heard there is a risk when smoking/consuming MJ that it can be laced with other things, can be a stronger strain, or can effect you more adversely than you thought? So how do you "make sure" it is "healthy"? If studies show MJ is safe that is great, but what about "your" MJ...how do you know for sure? Also, I am just wondering how a pregnant mom safely finds MJ? Is finding a dealer you trust easy? If not I assume you have to grow it at home? What would happen if you got caught growing it? Jail, kids taken away? Can pregnant women get medicinal MJ?

And an optional question...How do you know that your MJ doesnt have ties to dangerous drug lords and you arent funding a bloody war (and it is a sad sad drug war)? there was a thread where people wouldnt buy something from a company that believed in spanking children...so do you make sure your MJ is local and not tied to something you dont belive is right?

[Talula Fairie]

I think the only way to be absolutely sure is to get medical MJ from a private co op or grow it yourself or personally know someone who grows it.

I'm also curious as to whether there is medical MJ for pregnant women. I wanted to use it this time around for my hyperemesis (my bipolar is improved due in pregnancy for the most part and I was so sick I just wanted to keep something ANYTHING down) but I figured no one would give a pregnant woman a medical MJ card, and I won't break the law (if I did and got caught, my husband could lose his job).

[sg784]

Originally Posted by BrightBabies

FYI I'm one of those that is "anti-MJ" as someone put it. I live on the border of Mexico and have seen/heard way too many stories of families murdered to traffic MJ here. I also dont think there is enough info out there for "me" to ever use it, but "to each their own".

Anyways I have a valid, non-judgemental question...or two or three...

I've heard there is a risk when smoking/consuming MJ that it can be laced with other things, can be a stronger strain, or can effect you more adversely than you thought? So how do you "make sure" it is "healthy"? If studies show MJ is safe that is great, but what about "your" MJ...how do you know for sure? Also, I am just wondering how a pregnant mom safely finds MJ? Is finding a dealer you trust easy? If not I assume you have to grow it at home? What would happen if you got caught growing it? Jail, kids taken away? Can pregnant women get medicinal MJ?

And an optional question...How do you know that your MJ doesnt have ties to dangerous drug lords and you arent funding a bloody war (and it is a sad sad drug war)? there was a thread where people wouldnt buy something from a company that believed in spanking children...so do you make sure your MJ is local and not tied to something you dont belive is right?

All of these things have been addressed previously in this thread. First 2-12 pages.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Originally Posted by BrightBabies

FYI I'm one of those that is "anti-MJ" as someone put it. I live on the border of Mexico and have seen/heard way too many stories of families murdered to traffic MJ here. I also dont think there is enough info out there for "me" to ever use it, but "to each their own".

Anyways I have a valid, non-judgemental question...or two or three...

I've heard there is a risk when smoking/consuming MJ that it can be laced with other things, can be a stronger strain, or can effect you more adversely than you thought? So how do you "make sure" it is "healthy"? If studies show MJ is safe that is great, but what about "your" MJ...how do you know for sure? Also, I am just wondering how a pregnant mom safely finds MJ? Is finding a dealer you trust easy? If not I assume you have to grow it at home? What would happen if you got caught growing it? Jail, kids taken away? Can pregnant women get medicinal MJ?

And an optional question...How do you know that your MJ doesnt have ties to dangerous drug lords and you arent funding a bloody war (and it is a sad sad drug war)? there was a thread where people wouldnt buy something from a company that believed in spanking children...so do you make sure your MJ is local and not tied to something you dont belive is right?

First off I would really like to put to rest teh myth that non-pot users have about weed being laced. Unless you are paying 40$ a gram your weed isn't laced because pot growers want to make the most they can off what they sell, and "lacing" weed that is not being used as personal is business suicide, If you are spending the money to lace your weed you are keeping it to yourself becasue it doesn't even really work. The combustion temperature of MJ is much lower than that which is needed to volitize hard drugs so they can be absorbed through smoking, so even if it were laced(which it isn't) your Hard Stuff is just floating away in air anyways. Not to mention the other forms of preparing and consuming marijuana involve two forms of solubles made to breakdown a simple plant, not complexe chemicles.

As for your "Gang" relations regaurding marijuana. That's like judging alcohol for the bootleggers who make it in poverty stricken areas who can create cheap paintthinner and sell it to their own neighbors. Only in your country is the MJ culture so riddled with "gang" control only becasue the gangs are the only ones brave enough to supply a demand. If your government were even more lenient regaurding marijuana and cultivation it would open the area back up to the "mom and pop" growers who are like buying from the farmers market instead of walmart. I can tell you here in Canada the only reason gangs import and deal is because their own members hold it in such high demand and it is easier to buy in bulk, and no matter what you sell someone will always ask you if you're selling weed because the bikers spend the money on the BEST stuff, and are more likely to give it away like cigarettes in social settings.
Most growing here is done locally, and every few dozen blocks even in the big cities, and we aren't talking young kids getting busted and replacing eachother, we are talking about respectable memeber of the community with families and strong business connections, who sit down to a huge supper every Sunday with t eh whole family. Not to mention many have been growing for close to 7 or 8 years and have "groomed" not only their growing skills, but also their clientel list. If you are an asshole, threaten the family or businesses safty you can go buy of the highschool kids.

Yes pregnant women can get medicinal mj if they live in the right area and can find a doctor willing to do it.

In the states if you get caught growing you are going to jail. But so long as you are just growing 3-4 plants for personal and keep it to yourselves you'll never get caught unless someone is looking directly at you for you to slip up.

[Talula Fairie]

I'm with Chrissy on that one, no one is going to lace pot and not specifically sell it as laced for a higher price. Other drugs cost money! They're out to make a buck, not mess up unsuspecting customers.

Chrissy: can you tell me more about getting medical MJ? I'm so sick of HG and Zofran (it causes massive constipation)!!!! I asked in FYT and they said a pregnant woman probably couldn't get medical MJ. I do however live in CA...and I'm not that far of a drive from the ultra crunchy areas too. Maybe it's just a matter of asking around. I have a few friends that get medical MJ.

I'm also curious to see any information about pot and mental illness. Someone did mention that specific strains of MJ can make mania worse and others could possibly be more sedating, and I'd love to see any articles, links, ect that you might have on it. I know there's no studies but...I dunno, I'd at least like to see the info that is available.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Originally Posted by Talula Fairie

I'm with Chrissy on that one, no one is going to lace pot and not specifically sell it as laced for a higher price. Other drugs cost money! They're out to make a buck, not mess up unsuspecting customers.

Chrissy: can you tell me more about getting medical MJ? I'm so sick of HG and Zofran (it causes massive constipation)!!!! I asked in FYT and they said a pregnant woman probably couldn't get medical MJ. I do however live in CA...and I'm not that far of a drive from the ultra crunchy areas too. Maybe it's just a matter of asking around. I have a few friends that get medical MJ.

I'm also curious to see any information about pot and mental illness. Someone did mention that specific strains of MJ can make mania worse and others could possibly be more sedating, and I'd love to see any articles, links, ect that you might have on it. I know there's no studies but...I dunno, I'd at least like to see the info that is available.

I knew you couldn't be as closed minded as you come across.

First I would start talking to your friends who already have MJ Doctors and see if you could get a referal, even if it is just for a consultaion and to discuss your needs and whether or not there is a doctor in the area who would be a good match for you. Living in Cali I would imagine you will have quite the selection once you "pop into " the bubble.

As for the information I would look into joining some of the larger Cannibis forums. People are so afraid that even educating themselves in places like these can get them into trouble, when really you are doing nothing wrong but seeking out information. Many forums have strain sub forums where you can learn about what works for other people and what effects different strains have, it is a great place to compile and gather information that is spread too far to be put togather accurately.

I wish I could promise to do the leg work for your and be your "MJ doula" with infor but I just can't spend the that ammount of time for someone else without being compensated, otherwise I would never get off the computer and take care of my family because there are so many people out there I would love to inform and so many people who ask it of me. It is hard to turn them all down. The information is out there and in your search you are sure to find people who suffer from the same thigs or close to that you do who have been experimenting with it and are a few more steps ahead of you.

The MJ community really is much bigger than it is known mostly because of fear. But we are always looking for others to help break out of that fear and happily support eachother however we can, just like here at MDC.

[Talula Fairie]

I really don't like remarks like that. They sound like a compliment but actually they're an insult. When I reread my posts, they don't seem closed minded to me at all. Actually I am quite open minded about it. I said several times I have used pot medicinally in the past, I said that it does have medicinal value, I said I didn't buy the gateway drug theory. I posted a lot of positive stuff in relation to pot, and frankly I find it a little insulting that you only see the other side. If I were truly closed minded, I would not have said anything good about pot at all, in any case, ever period. We know there are people like that, they've posted in these threads. Now that is closed minded.

Like I said a few times, I do not think people were understanding what I said at all. I repeated myself over and over, but it just didn't seem to get through and everyone appeared to believe that I was comparing MJ to street drugs, and I was not. All I was trying to say is that MJ is a drug too (as all herbs are) and should be treated as such. It DOES have strong effects and should be used with caution and knowledge. I'm still not sure about it being used as a mental illness treatment, but I am curious about it and would like more info. I DID say that the bad experiences I had and witnessed regarding pot and mental illness were people smoking who knows what strain and a lot of it, so this definitely could be a factor. I do still doubt my mind will totally be changed without seeing a study, but hey, why not. Psych meds suck and it sure would be awesome if there were effective alternatives.

I'd appreciate any links to forums or whatnot, maybe someone could PM them to me. I wasn't requesting someone to do all the work for me, I just thought perhaps someone had a link to a forum/website/or article they'd like to share. Google only does so much, and it's impossible to know just through Google which site is 'good' and which is not.

I don't know anyone out where I live now who gets medical MJ, but I do have a few friends who get medical MJ where I used to live. I guess I could start there.

ETA: I have been googling, and I found this unbiased article which I found interesting. I thought it gave a pretty accurate picture, though it did fail to mention specific strains. I think that's probably one of the big factors that most people (including myself) don't realize.

http://www.pendulum.org/bpnews/archive/001628.html

[CalmCenter]

Some Research to Consider

Hi everyone.

I went to the Northern California Women's Herbal Symposium last
Labor Day. It was awesome! :
I attended a workshop on Medical M with the woman from Black Oak Ranch who was involved in getting medical going in CA and was the first Nurse to be able to prescribe. Very cool woman, obviously pro-medical use.

I just wanted to share what she said. First off there have been so few good studies about Mamas using during pregnancy and the effect on children but there was one study that did get published (in Europe I think). Well, it showed that there were some significant results of smoking during pregnancy which included mild retardation, and neurological damage, like having slow responses and slow processing speed.

My husband, whom I adore, by the way was born from a mama who was likely smoking during pregnancy and I would say he probably has some lifelong effects. He has been diagnosed with a learning disorder of a slow processing speed.

Well, while this is not life threatening the study showed that there was a clear effect on the child.

I am guessing this was from pretty regular use, but why risk it if you don't need to. I would say that one should hold off on using medical during pregnancy until there are some more studies done, but while there is doubt and even possible evidence that there could be damage why risk it?

If you stop caffeine, which is mildly mind-altering during pregnancy, then probably any other substances would equally be in question. Anything that can cross the placenta barrier will effect your child in utero.

If you are still considering using medical M for birthing, I would suggest going to a medical m doctor and getting their advise. I don't know what state you are in, but if you are in CA or other states with medical laws, there are likely some good doctors to talk to.

There are great herbs that are just not right for pregnancy, M may be one of them.

Good luck! Blessings.

[green_pyxi]

treatment for nausea

During my 1st trimester of my first pregnancy, I had the worst nausea. Smoking a little bit of ganja was a life saver! I could actually eat and keep it all down. This time around I tried the same thing for my nausea and it actually made it worse. I was a good bandaid, but once it started to wear off I would become even more nauseous than before. It was horrible! Different baby, different reaction.

But the biggest lesson...LISTEN to you body!

[Talula Fairie]

Originally Posted by CalmCenter

Hi everyone.

I went to the Northern California Women's Herbal Symposium last
Labor Day. It was awesome! :
I attended a workshop on Medical M with the woman from Black Oak Ranch who was involved in getting medical going in CA and was the first Nurse to be able to prescribe. Very cool woman, obviously pro-medical use.

I just wanted to share what she said. First off there have been so few good studies about Mamas using during pregnancy and the effect on children but there was one study that did get published (in Europe I think). Well, it showed that there were some significant results of smoking during pregnancy which included mild retardation, and neurological damage, like having slow responses and slow processing speed.

My husband, whom I adore, by the way was born from a mama who was likely smoking during pregnancy and I would say he probably has some lifelong effects. He has been diagnosed with a learning disorder of a slow processing speed.

Well, while this is not life threatening the study showed that there was a clear effect on the child.

I am guessing this was from pretty regular use, but why risk it if you don't need to. I would say that one should hold off on using medical during pregnancy until there are some more studies done, but while there is doubt and even possible evidence that there could be damage why risk it?

If you stop caffeine, which is mildly mind-altering during pregnancy, then probably any other substances would equally be in question. Anything that can cross the placenta barrier will effect your child in utero.

If you are still considering using medical M for birthing, I would suggest going to a medical m doctor and getting their advise. I don't know what state you are in, but if you are in CA or other states with medical laws, there are likely some good doctors to talk to.

There are great herbs that are just not right for pregnancy, M may be one of them.

Good luck! Blessings.

This is news to me. In every article I've ever read or studied, including the one published by Mothering, they stated NO serious birth defects have ever been proven in humans. I believe the study to which you are refferring was on animals given massive doses of THC. Quite a few long term studies, including "The Jamaican Study" showed no long term effects whatsoever.

"In animal studies, THC has been shown to produce spontaneous abortion, low birth weight, and physical deformities—but only with extremely large doses, only in some species of rodents, and only when THC is given at specific times during pregnancy.5 Because the effects of drugs on fetal development differ substantially across species,6 these studies have little or no relevance to humans"

http://www.mothering.com/articles/pr...ana-side4.html

http://www.medicalcannabis.com/pregnancy.htm

[viking]

re: mental illness

thc is not the only active compound in cannabis,
some cannabinols, or cannabidiols, seem to have anti-psycotic effects and thus 'eliminate' this trait of the thc. etc.


again, different strains have different mixes of the individual componds. some with much thc, some with little, etc.


here is a short article about the difference in two of the main types; sativa and indica. http://www.marijuana-seeds.net/Choos...r-Indica-.html


this one was better: http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/strains.html

"Indica and Sativa are the two main varieties of the cannabis plant used as medicine. There are many strains that are crosses of those two varieties. Within each of those varieties and crosses there are a huge number of individual strains, each with a different cannabinoid profile and effect. According to anecdotal evidence, the Indica strains are a relaxant, effective for anxiety, pain, nausea, appetite stimulation, sleep, muscle spasms and tremors, among other symptoms. The Sativa strains are more of a stimulant, effective in appetite stimulation, relieving depression, migraines, pain and nausea. We are now aware of specific strains that are effective for specific conditions and symptoms."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16612464

The antipsychotic-like properties of CBD have been investigated in animal models using behavioral and neurochemical techniques which suggested that CBD has a pharmacological profile similar to that of atypical antipsychotic drugs.