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As For Me
went and asked for a second progestrone test to be in the computer, so i can take it at my version of 7DPO rather than goober doc's timming. And the more i thought about the madder i got.
here is the whole thing:

• I come in having really long cycles, but let him know that "normal for me" was still 30-32 with O on CD16-18+
• we put me on provera to end that cycle, and he wants to test for O on CD21, i say "you mean 7DPO?" he does that rude thing about how i will not know my body so i should just trust him and assume that those are the same things, what bull
• i of course know my body even when it tries to trick me, but i know enough to be sure when i go in for the test on CD21 i totally did not O yet and the test proved it with a p level of just 0.6
• now i do think (not 100% sure) that i went on to O on that very same CD21 night, meaning i should be blood testing on CD28 for anything hoping to be acurate
•Dr calls and leaves message on CD24 telling me i am having a anovulatory cyle again and that because of that i could not possibly be preggo at all this cycle and that i will need a provera to end it again and then i should be on clomid.
• further more goes on to say that because the is no risk i could be preggo i do not need to wait it out to test for preggo and that i should just start my provera 5 days before when i would normally start af (to him that means about CD25, or today!) and he throws all the Rx's in the computer for me to pick up.

• if i were to start and then stop the high dose provera it while possible having a egg implant, it could give birth defects or miscarry a embryo!

So i ask you, how could any doctor, no matter how stupid and pill happy, think this was an ok thing to say to a women, specially since most are not like us and don't know better then to listen to them and trust at face value?
The more i thought over and over about this today the madder i got. And the more i started thinking that someone that is higher up than him needs to hear about it. I know he is a young newish doctor, but that is all the more reason to catch crappy practices now rather than let them continue.

what do you gals think i should do. (besides of course not take the pill, i will not. I already decided that i would wait a full 18dpo before giving up and trusting that i was not hurting anything)
So i am taken care of, i make sure of that, but what should i do about a doctor that has gone from a harmless goober to a possibly harmful one? I will wait till i get my proper 7DPO test before i do anything either way, so that i have that to show him as proof he is not all-knowing. but even if i did not O later in the cycle it was still stupid for him to assume that to such a certainty when so much was at stake
WOW. Does he know anything about charting and temping and ovulation? Probably not. Not to brag, but to emphasize your point, my OB was happy that I was charting and wrote on the requisition "CD21 or one week after ovulaton." When I talked to her partner about the level, she was impressed that I was able to time the test so precisely. As it was, I didn't O that cycle until CD24, so like you, a test on CD21 would have been useless.

Ahhhhh... young, yet to be humbled doctors. Some are never humbled, but I would find out if he as a supervisor and talk to that supervisor about the doctor's lack of knowledge about how a woman could possibly know if she was ovulating, his unwillingness to LISTEN to you, and the dangers that resulted.
post #122 of 227
Rivka, DH and I were just talking about doctors and why some of them act like jerks and then expect you to thank them for it. :

Amen to finding another provider--but you're with TriCare, right? Does that limit your choices and ability to switch? Is he more likely to listen to your view of when you O if you mention OPKs in addition to/instead of temping etc.? Some doctors seem to be more receptive to new-fangled pee sticks instead of old-fangled temping which a woman might be doing wrong or whatever. I mean, for heaven's sake, I think the idea that not all women O on day 14 is fairly common knowledge in the medical community, right?

If you can't switch providers or , I would fight like he!! and get your prog. tested on 7 DPO. At my hospital-based midwife's office, they give you a paper and you go to the lab yourself on whatever day--perhaps circumventing the need to get his "permission" to test on 7 DPO.

Sorry to bust in on the thread and take over the universe here. It just bugs me when things like this happen.
post #123 of 227
Last night something funny happened. I was getting off the bus behind this guy, who said, loudly, "Oh, that rabbit is DEAD!" I laughed right out loud, then noticed the carcass which had apparently been under the snow.

I'm taking it as a good sign.
post #124 of 227
Thank you to everyone for the well wishes! This is still my "home" board, and I'm still rooting for everyone else!

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Last night something funny happened. I was getting off the bus behind this guy, who said, loudly, "Oh, that rabbit is DEAD!" I laughed right out loud, then noticed the carcass which had apparently been under the snow.

I'm taking it as a good sign.
laughup: That's the funniest thing I've heard on these boards to date, and that's saying alot!
post #125 of 227
CONGRATULATIONS SWEET PEA!
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This is WONDERFUL news! I hope you have a beautiful pregnancy!
All the BEST to you and your little one.
post #126 of 227
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WOW. Does he know anything about charting and temping and ovulation? Probably not. Not to brag, but to emphasize your point, my OB was happy that I was charting and wrote on the requisition "CD21 or one week after ovulaton." When I talked to her partner about the level, she was impressed that I was able to time the test so precisely. As it was, I didn't O that cycle until CD24, so like you, a test on CD21 would have been useless.

Ahhhhh... young, yet to be humbled doctors. Some are never humbled, but I would find out if he as a supervisor and talk to that supervisor about the doctor's lack of knowledge about how a woman could possibly know if she was ovulating, his unwillingness to LISTEN to you, and the dangers that resulted.
: OK, Blech! A doc like that deserves to be flicked in the nose, or prodded with a fork in the forehead or...I guess that doesn't really help you. It's hard to know if you ultimately try to "prove" to him that not all women have a 28 day cycle or get a new doc. Probably both. Maybe writing a formal letter that is cc'd to a supervisor? I'd be happy to mess him up a little if you like. I've got lots of displaced resentment just ready to be released. I am truly sorry for idiocy when you should have support.

In my world, I am still dog-sick, but I have a new surgery appt. next Wed. I'm a bit scared about facing it again. It was so icky. This time I take a drug to dilate and go in the day before so she can put a "dilating stick" in me. Erweh. Third time, has to work, right? THEN maybe I can get on with it! Thank goodness I have so many weeds in my garden right now, pulling them has become my IF therapy.

Have a good day out there!
post #127 of 227
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Last night something funny happened. I was getting off the bus behind this guy, who said, loudly, "Oh, that rabbit is DEAD!" I laughed right out loud, then noticed the carcass which had apparently been under the snow.

I'm taking it as a good sign.
This is my kind of good sign, Frog. Like when the owl flew into my head at my writing residency. Thwack! I was elated. Auspiciousness has much more personality than people give it credit for.
post #128 of 227
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This is my kind of good sign, Frog. Like when the owl flew into my head at my writing residency. Thwack! I was elated. Auspiciousness has much more personality than people give it credit for.
Possibly the best part about this story: I was telling my good friend about it this morning and she asked what color it was--she saw a sign at her kid's school this morning about a missing pet rabbit and immediately wondered what she'd do if she found it, dead.

I adore her. Is it any wonder?
post #129 of 227
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Rivka - Any chance of seeing another provider
Yes i do think i can put my foot down for another provider, i was not pushing the deal since i am moving in a few months after the deployment and will be switched over to TriCare Prime Remote the program for those of us away fro a base and it gives up hugely more freedom. And he is just a GYN not a OB so i would not be staying with him anyway if i got preggo. Either way i need to do something if not for me then specially for all the ladies that come after me and do not know better then to just believe him.

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"Oh, that rabbit is DEAD!"
: ROTFLMAO!: ok that made my ribs hurt, thank you, yes take it as a good sign, how could you i take it as anything else?


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Amen to finding another provider--but you're with TriCare, right? Does that limit your choices and ability to switch? Is he more likely to listen to your view of when you O if you mention OPKs in addition to/instead of temping etc.?
At my hospital-based midwife's office, they give you a paper and you go to the lab yourself on whatever day--perhaps circumventing the need to get his "permission" to test on 7 DPO.

Sorry to bust in on the thread and take over the universe here. It just bugs me when things like this happen.
Bust in any time our wise preggo darling! As i just mentioned after writing and rereading my story last night i got furious, and spoke to it with my DH when he came home (he spent 2 years working in the same Medical Center/ Hospital, he agrees. New Doctor. Wether that is as a result of moving or right away, this one is going to be reported, since i think this crosses over the line of patient safety (my eggs are his patients too). As for the blood test, i just need him to put in a repeat test, i could of not taken the first one till i felt it was the right time, but i wanted to do it both ways to show him what he was saying was clearly wrong, it is better that we have two tests. I do not doubt he will give me a second test, i am pretty hard to say no to if you want me to leave your office.

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I'd be happy to mess him up a little if you like. I've got lots of displaced resentment just ready to be released.
oooh, my that is sweetest thing anyone has offered to do for me in a long time, w00t, i have a posse !!!! i always wanted a posse of my very own, man watch out!



now i just need my temps to be a bit higher, i am worried that if i O'd my progesterone levels are real low. Well i will be taking a blood P test on friday is i have my way, and i will. And then either way i will wait the safe amout of time and insist on a blood test before going on to any provera or the like.
(and me not Oing, if that is the case, does not make him right, it is the assumptions and reckless actions that he is up the creek for, but i hope i O'd both for me and to really prove something to him)

question, if i did not O is there any other reason that my Progesterone levels could end up being higher on cd28 than they were on cd21? would even a small change confirm O even if it was below the normal standard?

(he did accurately say on the voicemail last week that there was two levels, a minimum he needed it to be to even consider that i O'd 5-6 and a much higher one that he would rather see 10-15, so at least if i hit that lower one i could prove the point to him i guess. last week i was .6)
post #130 of 227
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Originally Posted by frog View Post
Last night something funny happened. I was getting off the bus behind this guy, who said, loudly, "Oh, that rabbit is DEAD!" I laughed right out loud, then noticed the carcass which had apparently been under the snow.

I'm taking it as a good sign.
That is HILARIOUS : and hopefully predictive :.

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Originally Posted by Rivka  View Post
As for the blood test, i just need him to put in a repeat test, i could of not taken the first one till i felt it was the right time, but i wanted to do it both ways to show him what he was saying was clearly wrong, it is better that we have two tests. I do not doubt he will give me a second test, i am pretty hard to say no to if you want me to leave your office.
Good for you for being willing to get poked twice to make a point!


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w00t, i have a posse !!!! i always wanted a posse of my very own, man watch out!
Of course you have a posse! Just say the word and I'll go pick up Poet in my Prius and we'll head north to "have a little chat" with your doctor.
post #131 of 227
As for me, I *finally* saw the endocrinologist (not an RE, but a regular endocrinologist) yesterday and the appointment went about how I thought it would go. She looked over the lab work my OB had done (the one with isolated elevated DHEAs), did an exam, asked about my history and said that
1) she doesn't think I have Cushing's, 2) that my DHEAs is elevated but not through the roof, and 3) that she would like to have some more blood tests done to find the source of the elevated DHEAs, but that looking at my fertility friend charts, it appears that I am ovulating and that my cycles are not that irregular. OH and 4) that she wants a repeat TSH to check for hypothyroid, because I do have low BBT and in her experience in most of the women she sees who are having trouble TTC, the TSH ends up being the culprit. The one I had done back in September by my regular doctor, was "normal" but I don't have the exact number and there is "within the normal range" and then there is "within the normal range if you are TTC," as sweetpea mentioned. So, I went early this morning (the Cortisol test had to be drawn at 8am) and they took like 8+ vials of blood.

Oh... and the CBEFM read peak and the OPK was + today! It's nice that I'm finally feeling like I know my body because I *knew* it would be + today. So, yay for not having another super long cycle!

Hmmn... I wonder if my endo ordered an LH level (I can't remember everything they sent blood for this AM) because, if so, the bld. test will have been done on the day on the LH surge, I guess I'll keep that in mind if the level comes back high.
post #132 of 227
SO!

just coming in to say...Hi hi to everyone, and let you know I still stalk .

And, congratulations SweetPea!!! Yay!



And...we had our "big ultrasound" today, our baby is healthy, perfect, and a GIRL! We couldn't be more excited .
post #133 of 227
(Never mind, my thread got moved.)
post #134 of 227
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As for me, I *finally* saw the endocrinologist (not an RE, but a regular endocrinologist) yesterday and the appointment went about how I thought it would go. She looked over the lab work my OB had done (the one with isolated elevated DHEAs), did an exam, asked about my history and said that
1) she doesn't think I have Cushing's, 2) that my DHEAs is elevated but not through the roof, and 3) that she would like to have some more blood tests done to find the source of the elevated DHEAs, but that looking at my fertility friend charts, it appears that I am ovulating and that my cycles are not that irregular. OH and 4) that she wants a repeat TSH to check for hypothyroid, because I do have low BBT and in her experience in most of the women she sees who are having trouble TTC, the TSH ends up being the culprit. The one I had done back in September by my regular doctor, was "normal" but I don't have the exact number and there is "within the normal range" and then there is "within the normal range if you are TTC," as sweetpea mentioned. So, I went early this morning (the Cortisol test had to be drawn at 8am) and they took like 8+ vials of blood.

Oh... and the CBEFM read peak and the OPK was + today! It's nice that I'm finally feeling like I know my body because I *knew* it would be + today. So, yay for not having another super long cycle!

Hmmn... I wonder if my endo ordered an LH level (I can't remember everything they sent blood for this AM) because, if so, the bld. test will have been done on the day on the LH surge, I guess I'll keep that in mind if the level comes back high.
Mischievium, Yeah for + OPK! Yeah for knowing your body so well! Yeah for NO to Cushing's! Phew! for finally having this appt! And sheesh for 8 vials of blood *shudders* (i hear you on that-it's quite immense to see one after another). Praying for everything else to clear as "normal." Any word on when DH can do the SA again? Rooting for you, as always!

Michelle, 100 YAHOOS for a healthy little GIRL! This is very happy news!

Rivka, Oh yeah girl you got posse bigtime. Mischievium and I would be like Thelma and Louise Prius-ing it up the coast to Seattle to do some serious
: Just say the word.
post #135 of 227
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Of course you have a posse! Just say the word and I'll go pick up Poet in my Prius and we'll head north to "have a little chat" with your doctor.
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Rivka, Oh yeah girl you got posse bigtime. Mischievium and I would be like Thelma and Louise Prius-ing it up the coast to Seattle to do some serious
: Just say the word.

what more could a girl want for! you all are the bestest!!


spoke to my dr.goober tonight finally on the phone, told him he was being reckless with my life, body and dreams.
So i was calling the shots now. I ordered a true 7dpo progesterone test and a blood preggo test to be waiting in the computer for me if i wanted it later. and that another course of provera would only be started when i made the all clear call or hopefully never.

he could be audibly heard "rolling his eyes" and just said ok because he was sick of me i'm sure, soooo don't care. I got the time sensitive stuff handled, next time i need a office visit i will make sure i get a new dr. and once i am done with these next few weeks and their tests i will be writing as letter to him and his superiors about he choices and risks he was taking.

on with my life, next chapter, fork officially poked where it was needed. and he never knew the wrath of the posse that was headed his way, almost too bad
post #136 of 227
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And...we had our "big ultrasound" today, our baby is healthy, perfect, and a GIRL! We couldn't be more excited .
Great news!
post #137 of 227
Okay- my body is completely and totally confusing me this cycle.
I hope I am ok. I will preface this probably gonna be long post by saying that my sister, who is 4 years older than I am- late 30's- had totally irregular cycles her whole life from being underweight- sometimes years of no periods- and when she finally ttc at age 38 or so she got pregnant within 2 months.
I say that because I know anyone can look too closely at things and try to get answers but at the same time things sometimes just happen anyway.

As for me- here are my weird issues. I would appreciate any advice anyone had!
1.I am temping for the 1st time and my temps are low. Like 96.5.
They started out around 97 but have gotten lower.Now they are staying low for the last 5 days
2. I am on day 19, still waiting to O and totally DRY in the yoni-cm area. Totally and weirdly dry. Usually I have some sort of continuom of wetness but it feels like Ovulation is nowhere in site and it is weird.
3. My cycles have been 34 days for a while. Last cycle I did opks and cm checking and was a bit wet on cm by day 17 but no +opk, and I stopped checking opks when I got dry after day 17 but then my cycle ended up being 43 days.
4.This cycle I was a tiny bit cm creamy around days 14-15, though still no +opk, then went back to dry.

Anyway- I am feeling weird and confused! I am trying to use this cycle as an information gathering cycle and not getting too hung up on the results.

I did start off with a different thermometer which I lost but later found in the earlier part of the cycle, I just remembered. SO maybe I will drum up that older thermometer cause maybe my newer one is funky.

Anyway- the weirdest part for me is still waiting to Ovulate at day 19 and having totally dry cm and no sexual impulses at the moment.

I will take my temp with the other thermometer tomorow and see what happens.
Thanks
post #138 of 227
ok so my temp went back up to 97.07 today- big jump from the previous days' 96 areas.
Used same thermometer. Still dry cm, still -opks.
but temp jump went only back to where it was at start of cycle.
I feel like I haven't entered my fertile phase yet, maybe I am just regulating to normal temps and my O is way delayed?
Any Advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated!
post #139 of 227
Katie,
It would take a lot more brain cells than I have today to write out the answers to your questions as I'm just getting over a cold. Can I recommend a book that really has helped me? Toni Welscher's "Taking Charge of Your Fertility", It's really, really helpful.
post #140 of 227
Katie,
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1.I am temping for the 1st time and my temps are low. Like 96.5.
They started out around 97 but have gotten lower.Now they are staying low for the last 5 days
I'm probably not much help on your other questions, but I've always had low temps (96s preO and 97s postO), see my :. If you've only just started temping, it may be that low temps are your normal, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I got +HPT and +beta without ever breaking 98. (I dont' temp anymore because I would freak out if I saw my temp drop)
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