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post #21 of 62
I have 6, and want as many as I can have LOL. I'm only 31 too. I have 3 boys & 3 girls in that order. I was in a family of 7 kids growing up, and LOVED it!

As far as birth control goes, I breastfeed, so I have no periods for about a year. My youngest is 14 months old, and no period yet. I hope soon though LOL. It's a GREAT spacing, I love having my kids about 2 years apart.
post #22 of 62
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Originally Posted by thewaggonerfamily View Post
BTW google overpopulation myth. In about 50 yrs world population will probably be dropping like a stone. Suggesting overpopulation for fertility choices is rather like insisting the Earth is flat. It is based on the incorrect theory by Thomas Malthus that Food will increase mathematically while population will increase geometrically. Google Thomas Malthus or Mathusian Theory if you're bored.
humm, I will do that. It's not my only reason of course. There are more then many many children that need homes, and my genetics aren't exactly stellar..
I'm not trying to start a fight (really) but you really don't think that population control of some form is needed? just debating really really not trying to start anything!
post #23 of 62
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I think full term breastfeeding is a great form of population control! I haven't done any research on the overpopulation thing, but I don't see how families in the past before birth control had on average 6-12 kids and the earth was not overpopulated. But now that families are having 2-3 kids, we are overpopulated. Yeah, don't believe that. The problem is people not living lightly nowadays. That is why our earth is in such bad shape. It's not how many people, it's how those people live. IMO.
post #24 of 62
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humm, I will do that. It's not my only reason of course. There are more then many many children that need homes, and my genetics aren't exactly stellar..
I'm not trying to start a fight (really) but you really don't think that population control of some form is needed? just debating really really not trying to start anything!
I've done a fair bit of research on it, and I regularly take a look at the CIA World Factbook for the heck of it. I don't think overpopulation is a real problem In fact, the more I look into it, the more convinced I am that the overpopulation myth was started with a very specific political and socioeconomic agenda in mind. I'm fairly well convinced it was a eugenics thing-- the Birth Control Society of America, for example, was very heavily into eugenics. Some of the things they spouted would today be considered neo-nazi type white supremacism. They needed SOME rationale for convincing the men of America that we desperately needed birth control, though-- they weren't too keen on the whole feminism spin of BC.

That being said, I don't necessarily think that was the whole reason... but it does lead one to wonder.

I don't personally think that any kind of 'population controls' are either necessary or moral. Whenever I have any doubts on that score, all I have to do is look at China. I think *corporation* control and *government* control are more necessary. Most of the major problems I see are caused at least in large part by unscrupulous specimens of both varieties.

Of course, if you mean 'population control' in more of a groupthink-brainwashed mass media way...
well, no, I don't like that, either.

Also, as the PP said, full-term/ecological BFing is the best form of BC ever invented.
post #25 of 62
We will be having a large family...God willing.

We have 4 children so far, are open to having more, do not use any birth control, and will be adopting in the future.
post #26 of 62
I came from a family of 6 my dad a family of 10 and I loved being in a big family my mom was a sahm but was sick from when I was 1 and above but my parents still went to almost everything my sibling were a part of i was dragged to more wrestling matches and football games than I can count. But I still loved it and my family still gets together all the time although not as much with me because we are to far away The best part is cousins for your kids even if you do not have that for your children your grandchildren will have cousins to play with every family get together. I still go to family reunion every year with my dad's family even thought my grandparents died years ago. Alas my hubby can only handle 4 kids even then he would be happy with just the 3 we have but I am not all done yet. So we compromised with 4 so my next will be my last. That is the catch you have to make sure your hubby is up to that many kids mine just can't handle all the chaos he hides half the time during family get togethers.
post #27 of 62
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humm, I will do that. It's not my only reason of course. There are more then many many children that need homes, and my genetics aren't exactly stellar..
I'm not trying to start a fight (really) but you really don't think that population control of some form is needed? just debating really really not trying to start anything!
I don't believe in forced population control. I am, however, fully in support of breastfeeding past infancy and making formula a prescribed and controlled substance. Really, the problem we discussed in one of my enviro politics class is not too many births, but a lower death rate. More people are living longer and against the odds with artificial methods to keep people alive (something I saw a lot working in hospice and the hospital).

People are going to keep reproducing, that's a fact of life. We are animals and that is our instinct, in many ways, our purpose to perpetuate the species. Unfortunately we have gotten to the point of trying to trick nature and live beyond our means as far as resources go. I feel proud to have a large family that both respects and lives gently on the earth and I hope those values will be passed down.
post #28 of 62

overpopulation a myth?

This is my first time posting on these boards, and I have to honestly say I am shocked by the number of people who've responded saying they believe overpopulation is a myth. I'd suggest that those who believe so check out http://www.overpopulation.org/ for starters. And I'd really like someone to explain why they think it's a myth.
post #29 of 62
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This is my first time posting on these boards, and I have to honestly say I am shocked by the number of people who've responded saying they believe overpopulation is a myth. I'd suggest that those who believe so check out http://www.overpopulation.org/ for starters. And I'd really like someone to explain why they think it's a myth.
Primarily, overpopulation is based on the assumption that natural resources are all basically finite-- meaning that at a certain point, humanity will outstrip its ability to grow food, and the ability to have potable water and there will be a dearth of food and water, resulting in mass starvation/death. The other assumption is that the energy requirements for all people would be impossible to meet.

That is a faulty assumption, in my view, because it's nearly always possible to grow more food-- even *without* arable land. (We do this to excess in the US. millions and billions of pounds of food go to waste.) The ways to purify and desalinate water exist, even if they are expensive. There are a myriad of ways to create/capture energy without needing to resort to nonrenewable resources like oil, coal, and natural gas. We just don't use them to anywhere near their full extent. Therefore the problem is not finite natural resources, but rather, distribution of resources. We in the US eat how many times what someone in Africa or China or the Middle east does? How much energy do we consume? And why? And how does it compare with the rest of the world?

It's true that it would be near impossible to provide every single person in the world with the ability and resources to consume the amount of energy and food that we do in the US. We shouldn't be trying to make it possible for everyone in the whole wide world to consume like the US, though. We should be trying to reduce US consumption. We should be striving for a sustainable future, for an environment that isn't poisoned, and air that won't give us cancer. That doesn't mean we need less people in the world. We need better management.

I did look at that page that you pointed out, briefly. It spouts the same party-line that the world's resources can't support more people; I disagree. We need more responsible use and distribution.

Additionally, deliberately creating a shrinking population, as that site advocates, is foolish. You would create a population which necessitates inhumane treatment of non-producing members of society-- the elderly and disabled-- because there will not be enough caretakers to give them humane treatment. Every generation would see more elderly in need of care, and less people to give them that care. Add to that the disabled, and... Yeah. Bad idea. Life expectancy is growing. People need care for longer terms of years, because medical technology is extending lives. THAT is the major reason that the population is even growing at all right now. Unfortunately, that longer life also equates more care for many, if not all. And that care has to come from human beings; it can't come from machines. Either that, or we just stop the care and they die of something preventable. Life expectancy shrinks, so does the population. Lovely thought, huh?

You ever hear of the 4-2-1 problem in China? That's one child financially and morally responsible for taking care of two aging parents, and four aging grandparents, and God forbid taking care of GREAT grandparents on top of that! It's not a good goal. It's a problem. 60 and 70 year old men and women shouldn't be required to work in a factory or at a wal-mart or McDonald's because they can't afford to stop working or they starve. Where's the humanity in that? Social security does not work with a mostly-aged population. The math just doesn't work.
That is happening, all over the nation, and all over the world. In China, they actually have to actively seek out the elderly to man factories. There aren't enough young people, and otherwise, the elderly starve because their grandchildren barely make enough to support themselves and their parents.
Sorry, but... That's not a future I would wish on ANYONE, let alone a relative.
post #30 of 62
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Originally Posted by kittywitty View Post
I don't believe in forced population control. I am, however, fully in support of breastfeeding past infancy and making formula a prescribed and controlled substance. Really, the problem we discussed in one of my enviro politics class is not too many births, but a lower death rate. More people are living longer and against the odds with artificial methods to keep people alive (something I saw a lot working in hospice and the hospital).
ITA.
post #31 of 62
When I was a teenager and a young adult, I wanted about 6 or 8 kids- but then life got in the way. I have 3 now, and a chronic health condition, and I just can't see myself having any more. I still don't know what the future will bring- I just may remarry before menopause and have another child or two or three- or these three might be it.

Obviously, I'm not worried about overpopulation or any ecological problems with large families!
post #32 of 62
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Originally Posted by saimeiyu View Post
Therefore the problem is not finite natural resources, but rather, distribution of resources. We in the US eat how many times what someone in Africa or China or the Middle east does? How much energy do we consume? And why? And how does it compare with the rest of the world?
I agree with this point. I think the problem is that is not realistic to think Americans will cut their consumption done to the levels of someone in the Middle East or Africa, so, to me, it doesn't make sense to produce more Americans than we already have.

I also don't believe that the goal of most people who believe overpopulation is a problem is to shrink population. I think it's more about maintaining a stable population.

As far as the 4-2-1 problem, I could see how that could be an issue, but as an only child (and grandchild) myself, I honestly don't see this as an extra burden. Granted, my mother and aunt supported my grandparents and I don't have a real relationship with my dad or his family, so I don't consider it my responsibility to take care of them, so maybe I'm getting off the hook a bit.

You do make good points, though. Thank you for explaining your point of view.
post #33 of 62
It's true that on their own, Americans on the whole will probably not cut down consumption-- but that's also because many can't afford alternative sources of energy-- I.E. I'd LOVE to get a solar panel for my water heater and the ceiling fans that we have running 24/7, but a basic system costs at least 5,000, and I don't have that right now. Maybe for next year's tax return we will.

The problem is actually American corporations and government, IMHO. I think we need new laws about energy production, and corporations need different incentive for switching power production modes, etc. It's a long and hard road, but I think it will eventually happen. I intend to do everything that I can to ensure that it happens no later than my children's lifetime. (Assuming, of course, the world doesn't end. )
post #34 of 62
I have 5 going on 6, but I'm not sure I'm the ideal mama to have had a large family. I probably shouldn't have any more... as for our reasons, I can't really say they were religious. I just love my kids, each one is so unique and amazing, and it's always irresistibly tempting to produce another. I also get pregnant VERY easily (as long as I'm not breastfeeding). 3 of my kids were conceived on the first try, after months (and in one case 2 years) of prolonged abstinence. Statistically this really goes against the odds, for this to have happened three times. 2 others were conceived after 3 or fewer tries. I'm getting pregnant as easily at age 34 as I did at age 22.
post #35 of 62
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Our reason is because we would like a larger family, but we also understand that there are children out there that need homes, and we are wanting to provide a family to those in need.
I would have loved to adopt instead of having all bio kids (though I looooove my bio kids!!), but DH was totally opposed...
post #36 of 62
Hi! I'm also an only child, and growing up I was always begging my parents for a brother or sister--to the point of once telling my daycare teacher that my mom was pregnant with twins, including accurate details... all wishful thinking on my part.

Anyways, I'm also in the agnostic boat, and I'd love to have several children. I haven't been willing to give my fiance an exact number, though, but he doesn't seem to object to the idea of having a lot. I'll be at least 31 by the time we have just one, though, so we'll see...

Incidentally, did anybody else here read the whole Anne of Green Gables series when you were younger? (It kind of cemented the idea of having a lot of kids for me...)
post #37 of 62
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I only read one of them, but now that you mention it I should probably read the rest.
post #38 of 62
I would love a large family too; although I also would like to adopt at least a few. I can see myself having a family like my best friend's - her parents had two kids biologically, then about 15-20 years later they adopted two more, and now (15-20 years later) they are fostering children, and possibly adopting one.
post #39 of 62
We only have one so far, but are looking forward to more! I came from a family of four (not big, but larger than average at the time) and would like to have at least that many. More would be great.

As far as overpopulation goes, just look at Italy and some of the other European nations that wholeheartedly bought into the "benefits" of birth control--they are not reproducing at a rate sufficient to keep up with deaths, and are seriously worried about their nations and cultures ceasing to exist.
post #40 of 62
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Hi! I'm also an only child, and growing up I was always begging my parents for a brother or sister--to the point of once telling my daycare teacher that my mom was pregnant with twins, including accurate details... all wishful thinking on my part.
My niece does this!! It's hilarious but kinda sad at the same time.

I never read Annie but I came from a big family. And I'm pagan/pantheistic.
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